Just a personal experience with residential Internet:
Northeast power blackout of 2003
The power went out. Our PCs and cable modem were on UPS. I
brought the PCs down gracefully and waited.
After a half an hour, I started my generator and booted the PCs.
It was about an hour after the fail
er-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
On 1/5/2010 4:17 PM, WA3GIN wrote:
I'm waiting to here on this thread that it must be the President's fault
this guy asked the quest
Your first mistake is making the assumption this would be done on a standard
residential connection. You can get commercial and better systems to a
resident, but only at business expenses.
There would be no need to have anything other then the dedicated system on
it.
Many companies do this anyw
ct, DUH!
- Original Message -
*From:* Nate Duehr <mailto:n...@natetech.com>
*To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 05, 2010 5:43 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run thr
On 1/4/2010 5:32 PM, WA3GIN wrote:
Don,
You have pointed out some valid concerns but the world doesn't
care...VOIP is cost effective for day to day operations and everyone
is going there as fast as they can...the fact that everyone is going
there will bring the reliability you indicate is nee
10 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
On 1/4/2010 2:33 PM, wd8chl wrote:
Security is also a big issue with trying to use the internet for
something like this. Anyone with a little knowledge can hack into it and
do wha
On 1/4/2010 5:20 PM, Bill Smith wrote:
VoIP is used daily and has been for over five years for
mission-critical applications such major electric and gas utilities
and public safety. VoIP isn't the problem, it's the transport medium.
Or more accurately, lack of a backup/redundant transport me
Must be me, but at 7:28m, our leader Kevin said 'this thread is OVER.'
Jim
- Original Message -
From: Nate Duehr
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through th
On 1/4/2010 4:24 PM, Randy Ross wrote:
Given the inherit instability of the internet (it was NEVER designed
to do what we are doing with it), I would consider any communications
system which is reliant upon the internet to be flawed by design and
completely untrustworthy.
We better shut d
On 1/4/2010 2:33 PM, wd8chl wrote:
Security is also a big issue with trying to use the internet for
something like this. Anyone with a little knowledge can hack into it and
do whatever.
Who needs to hack? All common VoIP protocols in use are sniffable and
playable from 100% free tools like
On 1/4/2010 2:03 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
Hey guys,
I am working on a project and am wondering if anyone has done this.
Here's the proposal, to setup a dispatch center for an FD, where the
dispatchers can sit at home and work the entire thing.
This is not a very busy department, that's why they tho
...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Pease
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:39 AM
>
> *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the
> internet
>
>
>
> When did this list become a law list what doe
Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Pease
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:39 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
When did this list become a law list what does any of this h
...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:42 AM Eastern Standard Time
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
WA3GIN wrote:
> Let get real...we're making up configurations and drawing conclusions
>
WA3GIN wrote:
> Let get real...we're making up configurations and drawing conclusions
> that will perhaps not even be considered. Without being part of the
> public safety team in this fellas community all these what-ifs are
> senseless. Each community and its emergency management will decide
> wha
Don has it right. Using an inTERnet connection is not acceptable for
this application. Only a closed, private network (inTRAnet) is even
barely acceptable, and then there is still the problem of what is called
"backhoe fade." Pretty self explanatory.
Jed Barton wrote:
> voip can be very relyabl
ric Lemmon
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:34 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
Jed,
Whether or not it CAN be done is not an issue. The issue is whether it
SHOULD be done. The notion of a public saf
and
cost-effective method.
Chuck
WB2EDV
- Original Message -
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 1:04 PM
> To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Buil
time is of the essence
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:35 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
Jed
ject: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
Hey guys,
I am working on a project and am wondering if anyone has done this.
Here's the proposal, to set up a dispatch center for an FD, where the
dispatchers can sit at home and work the entire thing.
This is not a very busy de
010 6:43 PM
> To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
>
>
>
> It's done very day ,a good vpn and intranet and very difficult to
> interfere, with short of a direct physical connection
lder%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Doug Bade
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:23 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
>
> Jed;
> Ther
ning meetings to ensure as best we can that these
> networks have adequate redundancy, cyber security, etc.
>
>
> Best,
> dave
> wa3gin
>
>
> - Original Message -----
> *From:* Bill Smith
> *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, January 04, 2010
y a
> hell
> > of a lot more relyable than a typical verizon phone line.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Barry
> > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:43 PM
> >
c.
Best,
dave
wa3gin
- Original Message -
From: Bill Smith
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
VoIP is used daily and has been for over five yea
dom wrote:
From: Don E. Wisdom
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the
internet
To: "Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 6:08 PM
try again. I am a network engineer and I can t
:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:43 PM
> To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
>
>
>
> It's done very day ,a good vpn and intranet and ver
t; of a lot more relyable than a typical verizon phone line.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:43 PM
> To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subj
er-Builder@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Barry
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:43 PM
> To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
>
> It's done very day ,a good vpn and intranet and very difficult to
> i
: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:43 PM
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
It's done very day ,a good vpn and intranet and very difficult to
interfere, with short of a direct physical connection there is little better
so I
B
( and yes I have had training in the area)
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
From: rr...@librtynet.com
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:24:08 -0700
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
Given t
orthy.
My two cents worth.
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WA3GIN
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:23 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WA3GIN
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:23 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
Yes, and they are called Intranets.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Custer
Yes, and they are called Intranets.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Custer
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
The Internet is a shared medium. A
Kevin is on the right track. At my day job, I am the CEO of a state research
data networking -- this stuff is actually what pays the bills to spend time
with repeaters on the weekends. I'm not sure if the credentials mean anything
here or not, but FWIW.
If this FD is in a relatively isolated ge
The Internet is a shared medium. A private WAN/LAN commonly utilizes
fiber optic cable or licensed wireless networking to accomplish
connectivity. While private systems can deliver Internet, it is not
(necessarily) THE Internet. Privately owned facilities like what many
CATV, Phone, Internet,
4,
2010 4:15
> PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the
> internet
>
>
>
>
> check out the IP-223. it may fit your
> needs.http://www.northms2way.com/IP-223_BROCHURE.pdf
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Jed Barton mailto:jed%40jedbar
ted for use on a private
> LAN/WAN.
>
> Chuck WB2EDV
>
>
> - Original Message - From: Chris Robinson To:
> Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:15
> PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the
> internet
>
s.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
Boy, where to begin.
First, I'd check with the insurance carrier regarding your proposal to
locate dispatch in a private home. I can see all sorts of snarled lawsuits
when something goes wrong. Maybe someone loo
groups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Bade
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:23 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
Jed;
There are certainly options to pass radio audio and keyin
mail.com>
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the
internet
check out the IP-223. it may fit your
needs.http://www.n
Jed;
There are certainly options to pass
radio audio and keying over the internet in VOIP
or equivalent scenarios. I would also mention
there are several agencies who have regulations
on how calls are answered and dispatched... Your
solution would seem to require some approvals if
in
muliple
locations is possible. Would not want to favor one employee over another.
--- On Mon, 1/4/10, Jed Barton wrote:
From: Jed Barton
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 1:03 PM
Hey guys,
I
15 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
check out the IP-223. it may fit your
needs.http://www.northms2way.com/IP-223_BROCHURE.pdf
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
Hey guys,
I am working on a project and am wonderi
IRLP.net
Talk to Dave C.
Dave has some systems like you are thinking of doing . its a private IRLP
system
what I hear it works very well
Rick
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Chris Robinson wrote:
>
>
> check out the IP-223. it may fit your needs.
> http://www.northms2way.com/IP-223_BROCHURE
check out the IP-223. it may fit your needs.
http://www.northms2way.com/IP-223_BROCHURE.pdf
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
>
>
> Hey guys,
> I am working on a project and am wondering if anyone has done this.
> Here's the proposal, to setup a dispatch center for an FD, where t
and the occupants are bleeding to death,
but the dispatcher can't dispatch the call?
I'll stop here.
Chuck
WB2EDV
- Original Message -
From: "Jed Barton"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the i
Hey guys,
I am working on a project and am wondering if anyone has done this.
Here's the proposal, to setup a dispatch center for an FD, where the
dispatchers can sit at home and work the entire thing.
This is not a very busy department, that's why they thought it would be good
to do it.
I've done
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