SlimChances;698994 Wrote:
Afraid it isn't working for my SB Classic,; still getting file names
displayed when I choose tracks from Music Folder.
Filenames displayed _where_? When you are browsing via Music Folder
(which is normal), or when you are looking at the current playlist,
which should
Sorry if this isn't clear.
When I select a track using Music Folder and it is playing it
displays by file name on my SB Classic under Now Playing ; If I
select a track from Music Library it displays under Now Playing by
tag title. Also If I select a track in Squeezeplay it seems to work
correctly
The bug http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17881 is marked as
fixed presumably with 7.7.2 . I just installed 7.7.2 on my Ubuntu box
yesterday and the bug does not appear fixed. I am still getting song
titles as file names when selecting songs from Music Folder.
I am getting used to
SlimChances;698946 Wrote:
The bug http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17881 is marked as
fixed presumably with LMS 7.7.2 . I just installed 7.7.2 on my Ubuntu
box yesterday and the bug does not appear fixed. I am still getting
song titles as file names when selecting songs from Music
Thanks...I think the rescan fixed things
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Afraid it isn't working for my SB Classic,; still getting file names
displayed when I choose tracks from Music Folder. I was fooled by the
fact that it works in Squeezeplay properly but I notice that it is
Firmware: 7.6.0-r9286M so perhaps that is software before the bug
occurred
I am using Music
So it is safe to delete the entire /var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache
folder contents. I guess I have to use root privileges to do that.
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SlimChances;688987 Wrote:
So it is safe to delete the entire /var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache
folder contents. I guess I have to use root privileges to do that.
yes, deleting cache folder is fine (in windows, this is even a button
in the LMS control panel), music library will rebuild (like
Thanks, last try to get to the bottom of this otherwise I will spend
some time with Audiomuze's suggestion to remove tags and then cut and
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I think there is an important thing with regard to mixing tag types and
identification of multiple tag types: Mp3tag and probably Puddletag
are only going to show the multiple tag types if the tags are present
correctly (i.e. not corrupted).
If the tags are corrupted, the tagger may not show
Ruby ripper I use that with no ill effect ? it works for me ?
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I think there is an important thing with regard to mixing tag types and
identification of multiple tag types: Mp3tag and probably Puddletag
are only going to show the multiple tag types if the tags are present
correctly (i.e. not corrupted).
If the tags are
I think with help I have found the source of the problem and I do not
believe it was any of my tagging or ripping programs at fault. I think
the cache files in LMS had become corrupted. Here are the steps I took
that corrected my problem (I think):
1) Using the Search command in the web
sounds logical to me. i've seen lots of other weird stuff cured by
clearing out the cache. they should make that a webui option, not just
a slimtray (windows) one.
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Fix was temporary. I selected a few songs and 3 reverted to file name on
the display.
I am choosing songs primarily with Browse Folders but I don't see how
this could have an impact.
The songs in question were not identified in the previous search by
file name so this is happening as I select
gremlins. should have known!
does this happen ONLY if you browse folders, or with other browsing
methods as well?
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SlimChances;689029 Wrote:
Fix was temporary. I selected a few songs and 3 reverted to file name on
the display.
I am choosing songs primarily with Browse Folders but I don't see how
this could have an impact.
The songs in question were not identified in the previous search by
file name so
It's worse by choosing files via BMF and then looking at the album the
normal way . The track listing gets corrupted after you chosen the
files via BMF this bug sucks
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SlimChances;689044 Wrote:
BMF? Don't understand what it means
Browse Music Folder aka Music Folder this mode is usually for badly
tagged files untagged files and testing, it should just follow the
folder and file structure and present files sorted alphabetically
instead of track order (which
i bet this is linux only or we'd probably of heard the howls by now...
nasty bug!
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MrSinatra;689051 Wrote:
i bet this is linux only or we'd probably of heard the howls by now...
nasty bug!
Try ;) may depend on how files presented in BMF on windows
If you file names are exactly as the title no problem, except do you
see the files presented with their ending in BMF on
Feel most foolish having used up precious time for those who have helped
me. I have usually played music by BMF
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Feel most foolish having used up precious time for those who have helped
me. I have usually played music by BMF
I'm happy that you've apparently gotten to the bottom of it. Never
would have thought of this as I rarely have used BMF.
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SlimChances;689055 Wrote:
Feel most foolish having used up precious time for those who have helped
me. I have usually played music by BMF
It's actually is a real bug we should write a bug report ! BMF should
not do this, it worked in older versions
Here why it's fixed by you tagging
garym;689058 Wrote:
I'm happy that you've apparently gotten to the bottom of it. Never would
have thought of this as I rarely have used BMF.
It looks like the bmf scanning is broken in two ways it scan already
scanned files and it does not do it right, replacing title with file
name
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A bug report.
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17881
Vote and add comments .
(Nice to do some useful instead of the never ending troll bashing :) )
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can't test windows ATM, someone should tho. voted.
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::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604'
I posted a comment that the Bug occurs in Win XP also as it does on my
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I posted a comment that the Bug occurs in Win XP also as it does on my
machine. Is that sufficient or should it be a separate Bug?
thats enough, logitech can change this afterwards
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SlimChances;689055 Wrote:
Feel most foolish having used up precious time for those who have helped
me. I have usually played music by BMF
No worries. That's one of the inherent hazards of trying to
troubleshoot when you can only see a small fraction of what is really
going on.
Look at the
Glad you (sorta) got it sorted.
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'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)*
just fyi... EAC will add id3 tags to a FLAC, its in the options.
what confuses me, is that if multiple tag types was your problem, my
mp3tag formula should have shown that to be the case.
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MrSinatra;688831 Wrote:
just fyi... EAC will add id3 tags to a FLAC, its in the options
Important option to not use !
I may have a bunch of old rips done this way, at the present the
remaining ones are no problem, I think I have fixed the problem ones
over the years.
They tricky part is
right, u shouldn't put id3 tags in flacs, i'm just saying EAC does it if
not careful.
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Puddletag shows only VorbisComment tags and MP3Tag shows only Flac tags
on affected albums and usually only one or two tracks out of an entire
album the rest working fine.
It was suggested in a private message that I clear the cache or certain
.db files(/var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache/artwork.db*
MrSinatra;688413 Wrote:
do you compile your own server as well?
this is def one of the strangest issues i have read about with SB
stuff.
if resaving the tags makes it work for a while, then it reverts, i am
absolutely baffled. *have you tried using the cache clearing cleanup
Root cause is likely a tag editor or other software that doesn't follow
tagging specs properly. IDx tagging in particular is problematic at
best. One thing I'm sure of is that neither mp3tag nor puddletag are
responsible as both use proven tagging libraries (taglib and mutagen).
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I guess I will ditch Tagscanner, although I found it quite easy to use.
If that was the source of my problem.
Audiomuze I understand the tag removal of ID 3 and APE, but what do you
mean by the cut/paste step? Am I to cut out existing tags and paste them
back in. Fortunately only a small
SlimChances;688621 Wrote:
Am I to cut out existing tags and paste them back in.yes.
SlimChances;688621 Wrote:
Fortunately only a small percentage of my albums seem to be affected but
it will be a rather tedious task finding out which ones they are.
I have a dual boot with Ubuntu and Win XP
Yes, cut and paste back existing tags - mp3tag (and iirc puddletag)
translate incorrect tag types to the correct tag type for the file and
will write them.
There's no need to rip again, just use flac to force a reencoding of he
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Cutting and Pasting as well as removing tags you mentioned fixed the
problematic album I had. I am almost ready to try this en masse. Would
there be any danger of using the cut and paste command on a large
number of files at once and losing the tags (1000s)? I am assuming if I
complete that
As long as you don't lose power during the operation everything should
be fine. Just do a test on a track to see if artwork is also
reinstated. If not run an action to save the artwork to folder.jpg then
do the cut and paste. If it gives you any comfort I've run a cut and
paste on over 10,000
SlimChances;688655 Wrote:
Cutting and Pasting as well as removing tags you mentioned fixed the
problematic album I had. I am almost ready to try this en masse. Would
there be any danger of using the cut and paste command on a large
number of files at once and losing the tags (1000s)? I am
Thank you, The last album I did this with there was no issue with the
album art although I don't imbed my artwork so perhaps it isn't an
issue.
I am going to try it on a few more albums and then en masse. As you say
Gary it is important to do this correctly and I was not successful with
MP3Tag
It just occurred to me that in puddletag you could add __tag to the
columns in the main view and then sort by this column to identify files
with multiple tag types. This way you can run the cut and paste only on
the offending files.
__tag returns a Comma-Separated list of tags found in file. Eg.
Yes that column change does work.
Here is another album I ripped tonight using Rubyripper with the only
tag change through Puddletag (added comment and changed genre which was
blank). The first 3 songs display incorrectly by file name and the next
33 (double CD album) display correctly. I did
Perhaps rubyRipper is where the issue lies - it could be that it's
tagging doesn't fully comply re how it writes tags - never used it so
can't comment. On a positive note at least you know how to fix the
issue for existing albums and you can just run newly ripped albums
through puddletag's
MrSinatra;688279 Wrote:
i understand. all of us are just trying to work thru your issue
methodically. the first flac is what tag layer mp3tag is showing, and
the second (flac) is all the tag types in the file.
i don't want you to remove the entire tag, just those frames/fields in
Have you compared what tags are present for files that are working vs.
those that aren't? An extended tag may be present in one case but not
the other.
You mentioned earlier that files will be fixed for a while then they
won't be fixed. Could it be that playing a file in one of your other
Have you tried to perhaps disable all your LMS plugins and apps? You
could then enable plugins one by one and see whether they are causing
your problems. I'd go after the ones that are the most likely to write
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emalvick;688400 Wrote:
You mentioned earlier that files will be fixed for a while then they
won't be fixed. Could it be that playing a file in one of your other
media players is causing the issues?
For instance, I had an old media player that would try to auto-rate its
music and write
emalvick;688400 Wrote:
Have you compared what tags are present for files that are working vs.
those that aren't? An extended tag may be present in one case but not
the other.
The fields appear to be identical
emalvick;688400 Wrote:
You mentioned earlier that files will be fixed for a
do you compile your own server as well?
this is def one of the strangest issues i have read about with SB
stuff.
if resaving the tags makes it work for a while, then it reverts, i am
absolutely baffled. have you tried using the cache clearing cleanup
scripts?
i would suggest using stock
MrSinatra;688413 Wrote:
do you compile your own server as well?
A little Knowledge is a dangerous thing. I said I compiled from
instruction .I really wouldn't have a clue how to compile the server or
Squeezeplay without to the letter steps on how to do it (which were
given on the previously
well, it appeared you were talking about SP, server wasn't mentioned in
that last post, but maybe you said so earlier. in any case, i'm just
trying to help.
so the Q still stands, have you tried using stock builds that
logitech compiled? if they were to work, you'd then know where to
start
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound flippant. I use the stock build LMS(7.7.1)
but as far as I know there is no working stock build of Squeezeplay. I
really do not know how to compile software with Squeezeplay I was
following quite detailed instructions on the previously mentioned
post.
Forgive me if I
Firstly ensure all file permissions are what they should be - there's a
recent post in the Linux forum addressing this with a simple command
line
Use puddletag - there is no better tagger out there ;-)
Check that it is configured NOT to preserve file date/ timestamps or
alternatively be prepared
Brilliant Audiomuze! That seems to have done the trick. I have tested it
out using Puddletag to remove ID 3 APE tags on one album and I seems
to be retaining the tag information now and displaying correctly.
I just want to comment that I followed the wiki instructions at
Here's the permissions thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92526
What you're experiencing can in my view only result from having
multiple tag types in a file, or a corrupted metadata header. You can
confidently follow what I said above, then do a rescan. For any
remaining
i would like to be *sure* its multiple tag types causing it, altho i was
thinking the same thing. LMS and my formula in mp3tag should have shown
that if it were true. LMS should handle it better if so.
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I'm leaning to corrupted headers hence the filename.flac which is what
LMS does if it cannot read tags or they're absent. If they were my
tracks I'd isolate the albums in question and run the id3 ape tag
removal followed by a tag cut/paste and rescan. If they're still
problematic then i'd
And the root cause ? Can it be tagscanner ?
Lms/sbs do not write to files ? Was it not a bug in win 7 that could
corrupt tags under some circumstances.
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It was only id3 tags that gets blown up by win 7 explorer.
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=76998
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itpromedia/thread/5ba4df81-29ac-43ad-8920-764faf3c6835/
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Here is an example of one I have trouble with, as you can see all the
tag information including title is there but it is displaying on the
player and the web Interface by filename preceded by track number(as
per tag):
ALBUM: Open Road
ANALYSIS: MusicMagic
what happens if you delete the analysis and fingerprint tags?
also, are those normal peak values? 1.?
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I have no idea if the peak values are correct, I believe I ripped it on
the default settings in EAC under Windows originally.
I don't know how to remove the fingerprint or analysis tags. They don't
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Finger print and analyzis is MIP tags and should be ok ?
In for example puddle tag or mp3tag there is an extended tag
dialaogthat show all tags in a file and you can add new columns to, to
see any tag.
More important is if the files have multiple tag formats written to
them, they should not as
SlimChances;688236 Wrote:
I have no idea if the peak values are correct, I believe I ripped it on
the default settings in EAC under Windows originally.
I don't know how to remove the fingerprint or analysis tags. They don't
appear in the tagging software.
use www.mp3tag.de/en and show
I posted the MP3tag output for all tags previously and the track shows
as FLAC, no other versions such as ID 3 showed up. see image
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i can't make out whats on those images. my formula is better than the
one that comes with mp3tag however. also, just copy the file, delete
the fields, bmf to it, and see if it works or not.
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With your formula reads tag reads FLAC(FLAC) for all songs in that
album. Now keep in mind that the tags are working properly for a few of
the songs but not all. If I click the remove button (configured
according to wiki linked on previous post
You don't have any wav copies of some of the files in the same folder ?
Most taging apps can not read wav-tags and don't display wav files at
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With your formula reads tag reads FLAC(FLAC) for all songs in that
album. Now keep in mind that the tags are working properly for a few of
the songs but not all.
i understand. all of us are just trying to work thru your issue
methodically. the first flac is what
Yes complete or full rescans
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I'm going to go back to emalvick's comment in post #3 about the possible
presence of ID3vX tags. You responded that the tracks had Vorbis tags
(as they should), but that doesn't rule out the possibility that they
_also_ have ID3 tags. Have you checked to be sure there aren't any
ID3vX tags as
I am not certain there are no ID3 tags but here is a screenshot of an
album I ripped years ago with EAC under Windows XP (see screenshot).
The entire album was tagged automatically in whole not in part,if I
made any changes such as changing genre tags it was to the whole
album(shows tag as
Are you certain that Tagscanner will report multiple tag types (eg,
Vorbis and ID3vX) if they exist? If so, then I suppose your first
screenshot demonstrates that you only have Vorbis tags. If not, then I
suggest you load the problem files in a tagger that definitely does
report multiple tag
Same behaviour in players (SB Classic) as Squeezeplay. In fact it will
appear correct in Squeezeplay after resaving in the tagscanner and when
I play it in SB Classic it turns back to file name and likewise then in
Squeezeplay. I found the software you recommended quite useful but I
don't see
It's hard to read the screenshot, but as far as I can tell the tags do
look okay.
It's possible that there's a bug in LMS, but there are a lot of us
running LMS on Ubuntu and its cousins (I use debian). So far no one
else has reported this, and we haven't figured out yet what may be
unique about
I might try your suggestion once I take an inventory of my settings and
plugins
Thanks very much for your help if nothing else I have a new tagging
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Good luck.
Here's a quick tip for remembering your settings: screenshots. Lots of
them.
EDIT: And if you only zap server.prefs you don't need to worry about
your plugins, because those prefs are kept in separate files specific
to each plugin.
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Afraid it didn't work;still getting file names instead of tags showing.
I deleted the server.prefs file not the entire folder and as you say my
plugins remained in place there was a minimum of settings to fix.
I think I am going to drop this as it isn't affecting my listening
experience just bugs
I have a library of 20,000 tracks this is not really feasible. I was
looking for either a solution at the LMS server level or if the tags
are in fact suspect a way of repairing en masse. However given that 3
tagging programs including MP3tag and 2 Linux music players seem to
report no issue with
In Mp3Tag go through each file one by one and right click. Select
extended tags look for tags that could be causing issues
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Afraid it didn't work;still getting file names instead of tags showing.
I'm puzzled enough that I'll take a look if you want to send me a
couple of the files that have caused problems. Send me a PM.
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what do you see when you do view tags at the song level in LMS?
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::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604'
Played new cut Darkness by L.Cohen today on Squeezeplay and it appeared
as 4. 04 - Darkness.flac instead of 4.Darkness. I went into Tagscanner
and resaved track. This fixed the track so it displayed as 4.Darkness.
I then played the track on SB Classic and as before it appeared as 4.
04 -
SlimChances;687586 Wrote:
Played new cut Darkness by L.Cohen today on Squeezeplay and it appeared
as 4. 04 - Darkness.flac instead of 4.Darkness. I went into Tagscanner
and resaved track. This fixed the track so it displayed as 4.Darkness.
I then played the track on SB Classic and as before
SlimChances;687586 Wrote:
Most perplexing
Agreed. I'm not familiar with Tagscanner, but it certainly seems that
either it's not writing the tags you intend, or somehow it's not saving
them.
What I would do is try a different editor. Next time you get a problem
case like this, try doing the
OK two recans (complete) and one save of tags prior to rescanning.
I would like to believe that the problem is Tagscanner running under
WINE but the same issue arises with Puddletag that runs natively under
Ubuntu.
One observation though: The tags appear correct in both Tagging
programs( before
Tried resaving the tag in Puddletag and rescanning LMS. Same results.
Is there no chance that this might not be a bug in LMS software because
I have tried 2 tagging applications and 2 media players and they all
report the tags correctly.
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It sounds like your tags might have been corrupt. I doubt it is your
tagging software. It is just often that the tagging software is where
you can find out about it, or solve it. Solving it is often as simple
as resaving tags as you are finding. It could be the LMS software or
any other
By design, LMS does not write tags, or anything else, in the music
library except for playlists. And if you have your permissions set
properly, LMS or plugins could never write anything to your music files
because user squeezeboxserver should have read-only access to the
library.
Among music
Thanks for your replies.
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aubuti;686659 Wrote:
By design, LMS does not write tags, or anything else, in the music
library except for playlists. And if you have your permissions set
properly, LMS or plugins could never write anything to your music files
because user squeezeboxserver should have read-only access to the
You're right that permissions on Windows can be a pain, and that most
people don't bother. But as the OP is using Ubuntu it's pretty easy to
do things right.
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