Re: Payers sure do like proprietary provider IDs! Do providers feel the same way?

2002-03-28 Thread William J. Kammerer
I hate to be pedantic (but when I do it, I'm being "precise"), but if you paid for a DUNS, you would pay Dun & Bradstreet, not "DUNS." Aside from that, obtaining a DUNS for your own organization is free: I didn't pay anything to get assigned a DUNS from D & B, and as I explained to Chris Feahr th

Update on CPP effort.

2002-03-28 Thread Dick Brooks
This is a brief update on the progress to date on the ebXML CPP initiative. I met with Dale Moberg, chair of the OASIS CPP TC, today to discuss the potential use of ebXML's CPP to describe trading partner profile information. We discussed the current CPP work at OASIS and timing for the next rele

RE: Payers sure do like proprietary provider IDs! Do providers feel the same way?

2002-03-28 Thread David Frenkel
Chris, You do pay DUNS for every DUNS number but I think the DUNS+4 is free or at least less expensive. I was just making a point that there is more to DUNS number. It would be more appropriate for the government to have a registry but the last time I worked for a government contractor the GSA r

RE: What's the focus?

2002-03-28 Thread David Frenkel
An organization can have many FTIN's especially if they are multi-state. Regards, David Frenkel Business Development GEFEG USA Global Leader in Ecommerce Tools www.gefeg.com 425-260-5030 -Original Message- From: Christopher J. Feahr, OD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March

Re: What's the focus?

2002-03-28 Thread Christopher J. Feahr, OD
if I understand this thread, we MUST choose one of the legal ISA identifiers as a KEY to this (yet-to-be-defined) record that explains all of the 'collaboration" details... including other ISA identifiers that might be acceptable? If so, I would vote for the Fed. Tax ID# for the registry key.

Re: What's the focus?

2002-03-28 Thread William J. Kammerer
At the front of my mind always is the mess we have now with payer-assigned provider IDs. This is probably why I slipped and said "[our] primary problem to solve is getting some consistent way of identifying *providers* as EDI participants.." Indeed, we want consistent ways to identify all partic

RE: What's the focus?

2002-03-28 Thread Rachel Foerster
I'm not sure I understand why the primary focus is only on identifying providers.? I saw nothing in the original business case document that limited the effort to providers only. Rachel Foerster Rachel Foerster & Associates, Ltd. Phone: 847-872-8070 -Original Message- From: William

Re: What's the focus?

2002-03-28 Thread William J. Kammerer
I gave an update on our objectives to the Business Issues workgroup two weeks ago where I attempted to summarize the results and decisions made on the teleconference and our progress to-date; see my message at http://www.mail-archive.com/business%40wedi.org/msg00280.html. I think the objectives o

Re: What's the focus?

2002-03-28 Thread William J. Kammerer
Jan's e-mail re: the NPI and the Provider Taxonomy Code is at http://www.mail-archive.com/transactions%40wedi.org/msg00706.html. It's indeed relevant to our late discussion whereby identification of providers should not be conflated with payer contracts - nor the provider specialty. Thanks for r

What's the focus?

2002-03-28 Thread Rachel Foerster
The issue that Williams touches on in the first paragraph below was intended, I believe, to be addressed by the use of the Provider Taxonomy Code such that a provider would have only one provider ID, but would use the taxonomy code to specify a specialty, etc. that the payer would then use in comb

RE: FYI - Statistical info

2002-03-28 Thread David Frenkel
Rachel, It was mainly just informational but large players often have unique insights and it would be interesting to get their input in these discussions. Regards, David Frenkel Business Development GEFEG USA Global Leader in Ecommerce Tools www.gefeg.com 425-260-5030 -Original Message-

What's the focus?

2002-03-28 Thread Rachel Foerster
There has been a wealth of information posted to this list over the last several weeks. But, I'm beginning to be a bit concerned, and possibly, confused (it wouldn't be the first time!) that perhaps the discussion and information exchange has gone a bit off track. In looking at the original

Re: Payers sure do like proprietary provider IDs! Do providers feel the same way?

2002-03-28 Thread William J. Kammerer
The National Provider ID (NPI) registrar will certainly not be assigning IDs to providers based on "contract" number, so it's clear that payers will already have to be working on separating the notion of contract from that of provider ID in their HIPAA remediation efforts. So whether payers used

RE: FYI - Statistical info

2002-03-28 Thread Rachel Foerster
David, I too saw this article today, and it does have some interesting information. However, I'm not at all clear on how you feel this article ties into the focus for this list. Can you draw the link for me? Thanks, Rachel Foerster Rachel Foerster & Associates, Ltd. Phone: 847-872-8070 -

FYI - Statistical info

2002-03-28 Thread David Frenkel
This is an article from Computerworld Magazine email. It would be interesting to get this type of organization involved in these discussions. By LUCAS MEARIAN (March 25, 2002) Less than a year after it spent about $10 million to consolidate its storage-area network infrastructure, one of the n

using DDE infrastructure as a formal transport mechanism for EDI messages

2002-03-28 Thread Christopher J. Feahr, OD
Peter Barry has suggested that payors with elaborate, web-based DDE services could allow providers to upload standard X12 interchange messages right into a field in the DDE system. This does sound like an attractive option for such payors and a way to leverage a sizeable investment into a mor

RE: Payers sure do like proprietary provider IDs! Do providers feel the same way?

2002-03-28 Thread Christopher J. Feahr, OD
Dave, I think I did see a little discussion of the "DINS+4", but it strikes me as a partially "de-standardized" standard intended to accomplish what you could also do by requesting a unique DUNS for every department, plan, or incoming message portal in your company. D&B might not condone this,

RE: Payers sure do like proprietary provider IDs! Do providers feel the same way?

2002-03-28 Thread Dave Minch
William, There is really no discernable pattern to when a provider gets assigned a unique identifier, but physical location does not appear to have anything to do with it -- it usually is more a matter of what plans a provider participates in (e.g. a few payers assign different provider numbers ba

Re: Payers sure do like proprietary provider IDs! Do providers feel the same way?

2002-03-28 Thread William J. Kammerer
Chris: D & B uses the "carrot" of the DUNS number get you to use their eUpdate service to update your business profile. Since your company is listed, but you do not know your DUNS. they tell you to call 888.814.1435 Monday-Friday 8:00AM-6:00PM local time, or go to https://www.dnb.com/product/eup