[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4.2 Lightweight LiveCD release and feedback.

2009-05-23 Thread Rob Beezer
Hi Lucio, For what it is worth, I ran the LiveCD on a very new MacBook with an Intel 64-bit chip and it ran just fine. Not being a regular Mac user for some time, I did have to plug in a mouse to get a right-click ;-) Re: taskbar. No, I think it is fine as is - just wasn't what I was expectin

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: Categories for the working programmer

2009-05-23 Thread William Stein
On 5/23/09, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: > > Dear Sage developers, > > The point below was discussed during Sage Days 15, > > On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 04:31:52PM +0100, Nicolas Thiéry wrote: >> >> ... About naming conventions for categories: >> >> - Do we want to stick to the (possibly question

[sage-devel] Re: Categories for the working programmer

2009-05-23 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Dear Sage developers, The point below was discussed during Sage Days 15, On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 04:31:52PM +0100, Nicolas Thiéry wrote: > > ... About naming conventions for categories: > > - Do we want to stick to the (possibly questionable) Axiom/MuPAD >convention to distinguish b

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.0 release plan ; categories

2009-05-23 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Dear Craig, David, Mike, Robert: On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:01:47AM -0700, Nicolas Thiéry wrote: > I'll also give it a shot at the getattr alternative implementation > (as we had discussed), so that you can focus on reviewing. Done for the second one: see categories-getattr_hack-nt.patch

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread J Elaych
I just want to make sure to add my vote: I think the Mathematica page sucks, for reasons that have already been posted here. I decided to adopt Sage after the new page was up, but I remember the older page and can tell you that the new one is a big step forward. It really makes Sage look like a

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.0 release plan ; categories

2009-05-23 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 06:19:35PM -0700, Nicolas Thiéry wrote: > Dear Craig, David, Mike, Robert: > > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:01:47AM -0700, Nicolas Thiéry wrote: > > I'll also give it a shot at the getattr alternative implementation > > (as we had discussed), so that you can focus on r

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4.2 Lightweight LiveCD release and feedback.

2009-05-23 Thread Lucio Lastra
Hi Rob, 1) Yes. I'll put a comment in the wallpaper so it helps the users. 2) No problem with the two Sage items, I'll research about the login and password or directly ask Alfredo how he did it. 3) That is the idea of the taskbar, to be extremely minimal and to switch between windows

[sage-devel] Re: sage blog aggregation : planet.sagemath.org

2009-05-23 Thread Marshall Hampton
I have a tiny bit of experience with setting up a planet aggregator, but I didn't get very far. So I am not volunteering to take over, but I might be able to help Minh or whoever on IRC or by email. When I was doing this a year ago or so, I found the planet documentation to be pretty minimal. T

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Serge A. Salamanka
simon.k...@uni-jena.de wrote: > Hi! > > On 23 Mai, 18:43, bump wrote: >> I agree that the sage web page is good, and preferrable to the >> mathematica page. > These are things that the Mathematica web site has. On the other hand, > these are exactly the things that I DO NOT like on the Mathem

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Marshall Hampton
I would just like to second this - exchange help and documentation. -M. Hampton On May 23, 11:43 am, bump wrote: > I agree that the sage web page is good, and preferrable to the > mathematica page. > > I have one constructive comment, which is that one gets misled > in looking for the documenta

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4.2 Lightweight LiveCD release and feedback.

2009-05-23 Thread Rob Beezer
Hi Lucio, It's working great for me - the improvements make a big difference in usability for the novice. I really like the way it starts up with a very clean screen featuring the Sage logo. And the bigger terminal window and fonts work much better on a high-resolution screen. Two comments and

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Jason Grout wrote: > I think we have a very competent web designer that has done an > outstanding job (you should see the old web page!). I think what we > need now is marketing ideas! The big difference I see in a short glance > between the two pages is that the MMA one screams "I AM MATH S

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Harald Schilly
On May 23, 7:34 pm, simon.k...@uni-jena.de wrote: > 2. Provide a direct link to the FAQ on the main page. Actually it took > me a while to find them. I thought about that, but my feeling is that the wiki faq page (do you mean that one?) has very poor quality. i just looked there and old things li

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Harald Schilly
On May 23, 6:43 pm, bump wrote: > I have one constructive comment, which is that one gets misled > in looking for the documentation. There are two buttons... Well, you know, two points for my defense: I'm not a native speaker and these things evolved over time. i.e. help vs. library happened inc

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread simon . king
PS: On 23 Mai, 19:34, simon.k...@uni-jena.de wrote: > Hence, it might be a good idea to make it clearer that SAGE IS ABOUT > MATHS, FOLKS! This might be achieved by Eye Catchers: Some nice > graphics; some icons illustrating what a link links with (e.g., a mini- > screen-shot of the notebook for

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.0.alpha0 build failure on OS X PPC

2009-05-23 Thread gsw
Hi, good to hear that you were able to build Sage at last! >From past discussions, and the bad experiences we had with MacPorts/ Fink intervening, I'd say "the glass is half full" rather than "the glass is half empty". It's quite a huge effort to make work "to build sage, simply type: make", on a

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread simon . king
Hi! On 23 Mai, 18:43, bump wrote: > I agree that the sage web page is good, and preferrable to the > mathematica page. Mathematica has one advantage over Sage: By its name, there can be absolutely no doubt that Mathematica is about mathematics. Sage, on the opposite, could be about cooking/gar

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.0 release plan ; categories

2009-05-23 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Dear Craig, David, Mike, Robert: Thanks for this week of intensive work together! In the plane, I'll be working on updating the names of the categories (AbelianGroups -> CommutativeAdditiveGroup, ...). I'll also give it a shot at the getattr alternative implementation (as we had discusse

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread bump
I agree that the sage web page is good, and preferrable to the mathematica page. I have one constructive comment, which is that one gets misled in looking for the documentation. There are two buttons, one called "help" and one called "library". If you want the docs you want help. But if you guess

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 04:47:51PM +0200, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: > The Mathematica one looks like every other commercial software website > out there. The glossiness kicks me instantly into a mode of trying to > skip the marketing hype, meaning I hardly read any of it. > > I might not

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Dag Sverre Seljebotn
Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > Taking a look at > > http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/index.html > > and then comparing it to > > http://www.sagemath.org/ > > one would have to say the Mathematica one looks much better. The Mathematica one looks like every other commercial software websi

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Harald Schilly
On May 23, 12:09 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: > Would it not be worth spending some money on paying a competent > professional web designer, and charging him with a task of making the > sage homepage as good as the Mathematica one? Ideally more pages, but of > course it all costs money. Just a r

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Timothy Clemans
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Jason Grout wrote: > > Dr. David Kirkby wrote: >> Taking a look at >> >> http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/index.html >> >> and then comparing it to >> >> http://www.sagemath.org/ >> >> one would have to say the Mathematica one looks much better. >> >> I

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Jason Grout
Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > Taking a look at > > http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/index.html > > and then comparing it to > > http://www.sagemath.org/ > > one would have to say the Mathematica one looks much better. > > I've designed a few web sites: > > http://witm.sourceforge.net/

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.0.rc0 - division bug on second and subsequent evaluation of cell?

2009-05-23 Thread Kevin Horton
On 23 May 2009, at 07:31, Pat LeSmithe wrote: > > > In some circumstances, "Stein's trick" may help [1]: > > class myint: >def eval(self, s, globals, locals): >_temp = locals['Integer'] >locals['Integer'] = float >ans = python.eval(preparse(s), globals, locals) >

[sage-devel] sagemath rpm @ mandrake/mandriva

2009-05-23 Thread Harald Schilly
have you noticed that mandrake/mandriva have something going on with sagemath? forum 22 may: http://www.nabble.com/-Cooker--sagemath-experimental-package---www.sagemath.org-td23663618.html seeking for feedback more: http://sophie.zarb.org/srpm/Mandriva,cooker,/sagemath rpms: http://sophie.zarb.

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.0.rc0 - division bug on second and subsequent evaluation of cell?

2009-05-23 Thread Pat LeSmithe
In some circumstances, "Stein's trick" may help [1]: class myint: def eval(self, s, globals, locals): _temp = locals['Integer'] locals['Integer'] = float ans = python.eval(preparse(s), globals, locals) locals['Integer'] = _temp return ans Examples, i

[sage-devel] Re: Wikipedia entry - threat of remove due to no references

2009-05-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
ahmet alper parker wrote: > I just remembered the mails below. I think, I have confused matlab > with mathematica. Unfortunately, the link I provided to a newsgroup entry about Wolfram's commitment to Mathematica is not a Wolfram page at all. > Well, "A free distribution of the world's most wid

[sage-devel] Re: Wikipedia entry - threat of remove due to no references

2009-05-23 Thread ahmet alper parker
I just remembered the mails below. I think, I have confused matlab with mathematica. Well, "A free distribution of the world's most widely used open source mathematical software that builds easily from source" If this states "most widely used opensource which builds easily from source" then you ar

[sage-devel] Re: 2d math input

2009-05-23 Thread Serge A. Salamanka
Thanks everyone for providing the links. Could it be made possible to edit this way formulas in the cells of Sage notebook ? Bill Page пишет: > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Jason Grout > wrote: >> Bill Page wrote: >>> Where can I find and/or test "jsmath equation editor"? >> I guess it's a

[sage-devel] Re: Wikipedia entry - threat of remove due to no references

2009-05-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
ahmet alper parker wrote: > why not cite wolfram's own pages for lack of support for Solaris? If > it is so easy for others to build and maintain their software, why > they lack Solaris support? I remember such a posting at the group. I can't see what this has in particular to do with Solaris, bu

[sage-devel] Re: Wikipedia entry - threat of remove due to no references

2009-05-23 Thread ahmet alper parker
why not cite wolfram's own pages for lack of support for Solaris? If it is so easy for others to build and maintain their software, why they lack Solaris support? I remember such a posting at the group. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > > In the Wikipedia entry for sage

[sage-devel] Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Taking a look at http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/index.html and then comparing it to http://www.sagemath.org/ one would have to say the Mathematica one looks much better. I've designed a few web sites: http://witm.sourceforge.net/ But nothing as sophisticated as the Mathematica

[sage-devel] Wikipedia entry - threat of remove due to no references

2009-05-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
In the Wikipedia entry for sage, one of the tags has been added by someone: "This article's section called "Description" does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed. (April 2

[sage-devel] No attached_files() command

2009-05-23 Thread Kwankyu
Hi, The documentation says there is attached_files() command. But it seems there is not, at least in Sage 3.4.2 sage: attached_files() --- NameError Traceback (most recent call last) /Users/K

[sage-devel] Re: 2d math input

2009-05-23 Thread bmwoodr...@gmail.com
> one of my linear algebra students wants to input a matrix as a table. > They click on a button, enter the entries, click submit, and then blam, > the matrix is sitting right there in the cell waiting for them to do > something with it. True that the matrix is sitting right there in front of the

[sage-devel] Re: sage blog aggregation : planet.sagemath.org

2009-05-23 Thread Harald Schilly
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 05:01, Minh Nguyen wrote: > Hi William, > > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 2:49 AM, William Stein wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Fredrik Johansson (mpmath author) posted this very nice blog post >> about sage days 15: >> http://fredrik-j.blogspot.com/2009/05/report-from-sage-days-15.htm