[sage-devel] Re: [Cython] Question about packaging external fortran parser with Cython for fwrap

2009-08-13 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > > On Aug 13, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:05 PM, William Stein >> wrote: >>> I'm just curious.  Why does the PSF reject BSD-licensed code, but >>> accept Apache-licensed code, given that the Apache

[sage-devel] Re: Interactive pdf?

2009-08-13 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Ahmed Fasih wrote: > > This seems a good enough time to ask: I'd like to use Notebook where > instead of using FCKEditor to typeset inter-cell rich text, one could > type latex in-browser. A latex2html converter would then operate on > those HTML cells. This way, o

[sage-devel] Re: proposal to make PIL standard

2009-08-13 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Alex Ghitza wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:53 AM, William Stein wrote: >> >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:32 PM, David Joyner wrote: >>> >>> Hi: >>> >>> I'd like to suggest that PIL be made standard. This requires a vote. > > +1 > > Last week I went to a talk/in

[sage-devel] Re: proposal to make PIL standard

2009-08-13 Thread Alex Ghitza
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:53 AM, William Stein wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:32 PM, David Joyner wrote: >> >> Hi: >> >> I'd like to suggest that PIL be made standard. This requires a vote. +1 Last week I went to a talk/infomercial on Mathematica at the University of Melbourne. One of the

[sage-devel] Re: [Cython] Question about packaging external fortran parser with Cython for fwrap

2009-08-13 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Aug 13, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:05 PM, William Stein > wrote: >> I'm just curious. Why does the PSF reject BSD-licensed code, but >> accept Apache-licensed code, given that the Apache license is vastly >> more restrictive than BSD? I can understa

[sage-devel] Re: proposal to make PIL standard

2009-08-13 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:32 PM, David Joyner wrote: >> Hi: >> >> I'd like to suggest that PIL be made standard. This requires a vote. >> +1 >> Though PIL is written in Python, the trac ticket >> http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/6741 >> adds some functions which

[sage-devel] Re: units

2009-08-13 Thread Jonathan
On Aug 13, 2:11 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: > Jonathan wrote: > > > On Aug 13, 12:01 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby" > > wrote: > >> Jonathan wrote: > >>> As a physical scientists I am definitely excited about this.  I think > >>> the basic plans are sound. > >>> I presently do units as symbolic vari

[sage-devel] Re: proposal to make PIL standard

2009-08-13 Thread Marshall Hampton
I'm all in favor of PIL as standard. Does it install OK on Solaris? I can't think of any other objection. -Marshall On Aug 13, 6:32 pm, David Joyner wrote: > Hi: > > I'd like to suggest that PIL be made standard. This requires a vote. > > Though PIL is written in Python, the trac > tickethttp

[sage-devel] Re: Interactive pdf?

2009-08-13 Thread Jason Grout
Ahmed Fasih wrote: > This seems a good enough time to ask: I'd like to use Notebook where > instead of using FCKEditor to typeset inter-cell rich text, one could > type latex in-browser. A latex2html converter would then operate on > those HTML cells. This way, one could imagine writing an entire

[sage-devel] Re: Interactive pdf?

2009-08-13 Thread Ahmed Fasih
This seems a good enough time to ask: I'd like to use Notebook where instead of using FCKEditor to typeset inter-cell rich text, one could type latex in-browser. A latex2html converter would then operate on those HTML cells. This way, one could imagine writing an entire thesis or book chapter in N

[sage-devel] Re: cvxopt is now under GPLv3+

2009-08-13 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Ondrej Certik wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:41 PM, William Stein wrote: >> >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> We're currently shipping cvxopt 0.9 which is licensed under GPLv3+. >>> That is a standard spkg. My u

[sage-devel] Re: [Cython] Question about packaging external fortran parser with Cython for fwrap

2009-08-13 Thread Fernando Perez
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:05 PM, William Stein wrote: > I'm just curious.  Why does the PSF reject BSD-licensed code, but > accept Apache-licensed code, given that the Apache license is vastly > more restrictive than BSD?  I can understand this, but find it > surprising. > I'm also scratching my

[sage-devel] Re: cvxopt is now under GPLv3+

2009-08-13 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:41 PM, William Stein wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> We're currently shipping cvxopt 0.9 which is licensed under GPLv3+. >> That is a standard spkg. My understanding is that code in the Sage >> library should be GPL co

[sage-devel] Re: Interactive pdf?

2009-08-13 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Simon King wrote: > > Hi William, > > On Aug 13, 5:25 pm, William Stein wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Simon King wrote: > ... >> Wow, so when I read a random pdf off the web and click on it, then it >> could run a shell command, e.g., "rm -rf $HOME"?

[sage-devel] Re: ANN: mpmath 0.13 released

2009-08-13 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Fredrik Johansson wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: >> >> Hi Fredrik, >> >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Fredrik >> Johansson wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Version 0.13 of mpmath is now available from the website: >>> http://code.

[sage-devel] Re: units

2009-08-13 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2009-Aug-11 15:29:29 -0700, William Stein wrote: >>I just wanted to let people know that David Ackerman -- a UW student who >>took my course on Sage last quarter -- is working (funded by NSF) on >>creating a "units package" for Sage right

[sage-devel] Re: [Cython] Question about packaging external fortran parser with Cython for fwrap

2009-08-13 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Robert Kern wrote: > On 2009-08-13 16:25 PM, Kurt Smith wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Kurt Smith  wrote: >>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Dag Sverre >>> Seljebotn  wrote: Robert Bradshaw wrote: >> >> >> ~150K compressed. > >

[sage-devel] Re: cvxopt is now under GPLv3+

2009-08-13 Thread David Joyner
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:41 PM, William Stein wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: >> ... > > Regarding cvxopt, we should definitely upgrade the spkg.  It's just a I agree. > standard Python library, by the way (not pexpect).  However,  I'm > suspect *nobody* uses

[sage-devel] Re: proposal to make PIL standard

2009-08-13 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:32 PM, David Joyner wrote: > > Hi: > > I'd like to suggest that PIL be made standard. This requires a vote. > > Though PIL is written in Python, the trac ticket > http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/6741 > adds some functions which make the interface even easier to

[sage-devel] Re: cvxopt is now under GPLv3+

2009-08-13 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > > Hi folks, > > We're currently shipping cvxopt 0.9 which is licensed under GPLv3+. > That is a standard spkg. My understanding is that code in the Sage > library should be GPL compatible with at least GPLv2. What about > licensing terms for s

[sage-devel] proposal to make PIL standard

2009-08-13 Thread David Joyner
Hi: I'd like to suggest that PIL be made standard. This requires a vote. Though PIL is written in Python, the trac ticket http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/6741 adds some functions which make the interface even easier to use in many cases. Thanks, David Joyner --~--~-~--~~-

[sage-devel] Re: cvxopt is now under GPLv3+

2009-08-13 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Joachim, On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Joachim Dahl wrote: > > CVXOPT 1.1 is much improved compared to version 0.9, so it would be > great if you updated the version shipped with SAGE. Upgrading cvxopt to version 1.1.1 is tracked at ticket #6456 http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/

[sage-devel] Re: cvxopt is now under GPLv3+

2009-08-13 Thread Joachim Dahl
CVXOPT 1.1 is much improved compared to version 0.9, so it would be great if you updated the version shipped with SAGE. Joachim On Aug 13, 11:01 pm, David Joyner wrote: > Of course, you should ask William before doing anything. > > Also, I'm not sure how cvxopt interacts with Sage. If only > v

[sage-devel] Re: cvxopt is now under GPLv3+

2009-08-13 Thread David Joyner
Of course, you should ask William before doing anything. Also, I'm not sure how cvxopt interacts with Sage. If only via pexpect, I think you can distribute such GPLv2 and GPLv3 software together but I'd have to check the FSF FAQ again to be sure. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:50 PM, David Joyner wr

[sage-devel] Re: units

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2009-Aug-11 15:29:29 -0700, William Stein wrote: >I just wanted to let people know that David Ackerman -- a UW student who >took my course on Sage last quarter -- is working (funded by NSF) on >creating a "units package" for Sage right _now_. Since no-one else has mentioned it, I presume you a

[sage-devel] Re: cvxopt is now under GPLv3+

2009-08-13 Thread David Joyner
You're right. I think sage-2.7.2 had a cvxopt-0.8.2.spkg which might have been GPLv2+, but I can't find it using google. It has been removed from the cvxopt website. I wonder if we should just upgrade to 1.1.1 and change the part in SAGE_ROOT/COPYING.txt which says "Every component of Sage excep

[sage-devel] Re: ANN: mpmath 0.13 released

2009-08-13 Thread Fredrik Johansson
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > > Hi Fredrik, > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Fredrik > Johansson wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Version 0.13 of mpmath is now available from the website: >> http://code.google.com/p/mpmath/ > > Upgrading to mpmath 0.13 is now tracked at ticke

[sage-devel] Re: ANN: mpmath 0.13 released

2009-08-13 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Fredrik, On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Fredrik Johansson wrote: > > Hi all, > > Version 0.13 of mpmath is now available from the website: > http://code.google.com/p/mpmath/ Upgrading to mpmath 0.13 is now tracked at ticket #6740 http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/6740 -- Regards

[sage-devel] Re: cvxopt is now under GPLv3+

2009-08-13 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi David, On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:40 AM, David Joyner wrote: > > This is my understanding: the (old) version of cvxopt which we use in > Sage is GPLv2+. The current version is 1.1.1, which is GPLV3+. > Is that incorrect? The current version we're shipping is cvxopt cvxopt-0.9 which is licensed

[sage-devel] ANN: mpmath 0.13 released

2009-08-13 Thread Fredrik Johansson
Hi all, Version 0.13 of mpmath is now available from the website: http://code.google.com/p/mpmath/ It can also be downloaded from the Python Package Index: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/mpmath/0.13 Mpmath is a pure-Python library for arbitrary-precision floating-point arithmetic that implements a

[sage-devel] Re: cvxopt is now under GPLv3+

2009-08-13 Thread David Joyner
This is my understanding: the (old) version of cvxopt which we use in Sage is GPLv2+. The current version is 1.1.1, which is GPLV3+. Is that incorrect? On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > > Hi folks, > > We're currently shipping cvxopt 0.9 which is licensed under GPLv3+. > That

[sage-devel] cvxopt is now under GPLv3+

2009-08-13 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi folks, We're currently shipping cvxopt 0.9 which is licensed under GPLv3+. That is a standard spkg. My understanding is that code in the Sage library should be GPL compatible with at least GPLv2. What about licensing terms for standard spkg's? Can we accept a package whose code is under GPLv3

[sage-devel] [Fwd: Re: [Maxima] also Maxima 5.19.0 doesn 't build with newer Ecl --- CORRECTION]

2009-08-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Just noticed this on the maxima list. It looks like the maxima passes most tests now on ECL. Dave --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@goo

[sage-devel] Re: units

2009-08-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Jonathan wrote: > > > On Aug 13, 12:01 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby" > wrote: >> Jonathan wrote: >>> As a physical scientists I am definitely excited about this. I think >>> the basic plans are sound. >>> I presently do units as symbolic variable defined in terms of a list >>> of standard SI units.

[sage-devel] Re: units

2009-08-13 Thread Jonathan
On Aug 13, 12:37 pm, Jason Grout wrote: > Could the units package could use standard Sage interval arithmetic in > order to automatically propagate errors?  Of course, larger errors could > be propagated too, if the numbers were specified as Sage interval objects. > > Jason I'd have to look at

[sage-devel] Re: Interactive pdf?

2009-08-13 Thread David Joyner
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Simon King wrote: > > Hi Sage-Devels, > > apparently my new boss is very good in TeX: He showed me a draft (or > better: proof of concept) of a book in pdf format, and when you click > the examples, a gap session pops up and lets you compute these > examples. Or,

[sage-devel] Re: units

2009-08-13 Thread Jonathan
On Aug 13, 12:01 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: > Jonathan wrote: > > As a physical scientists I am definitely excited about this.  I think > > the basic plans are sound. > > > I presently do units as symbolic variable defined in terms of a list > > of standard SI units.  I also define a list of

[sage-devel] Re: Very high load load average during make test

2009-08-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Minh Nguyen wrote: > Hi David, > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Dr. David > Kirkby wrote: >> Running 'make test' I'm seeing a load average of 13 on my dual processor >> Sun, which it is not exactly happy about! >> >> >> Here's the output from prstat >> >>PID USERNAME SIZE RSS STATE P

[sage-devel] Re: units

2009-08-13 Thread Jason Grout
Jonathan wrote: > To give people an idea how a working physical scientist uses this, I > include a section of the function I use to set up my calculations with > units. One problem with this implementation is that it does not > account the limited number of significant figures in most of the >

[sage-devel] Re: Interactive pdf?

2009-08-13 Thread Simon King
Hi William, On Aug 13, 5:25 pm, William Stein wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Simon King wrote: ... > Wow, so when I read a random pdf off the web and click on it, then it > could run a shell command, e.g., "rm -rf $HOME"? My boss just gave me some details. In fact, the book comprise

[sage-devel] Re: units

2009-08-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Jonathan wrote: > As a physical scientists I am definitely excited about this. I think > the basic plans are sound. > > I presently do units as symbolic variable defined in terms of a list > of standard SI units. I also define a list of physical constants with > units. This works quite well, b

[sage-devel] Re: easy reviews for Sage 4.1.1.final

2009-08-13 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi folks, On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > Hi folks, > > sage: So, mvngu. What have you been doing these last few days? > mvngu: Fixing some trivial bugs in Sage. > sage: Were they technical bugs? > mvngu: Not really. Just trivial typos and minor spelling mistakes. > sage: Yo

[sage-devel] Re: Interactive pdf?

2009-08-13 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Simon King wrote: > > Hi Sage-Devels, > > apparently my new boss is very good in TeX: He showed me a draft (or > better: proof of concept) of a book in pdf format, and when you click > the examples, a gap session pops up and lets you compute these > examples. Wow,

[sage-devel] Re: sage build progress indicator

2009-08-13 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Harald Schilly wrote: > > Just for fun I've written a script that tells me how far Sage has come > when building from scratch: > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/schilly/sage_progress > I'm not sure if it is counting the spkgs correctly or if it really > ends a

[sage-devel] sage build progress indicator

2009-08-13 Thread Harald Schilly
Just for fun I've written a script that tells me how far Sage has come when building from scratch: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/schilly/sage_progress I'm not sure if it is counting the spkgs correctly or if it really ends at 100%, but maybe someone else likes it, too ;) Also, is there some

[sage-devel] Interactive pdf?

2009-08-13 Thread Simon King
Hi Sage-Devels, apparently my new boss is very good in TeX: He showed me a draft (or better: proof of concept) of a book in pdf format, and when you click the examples, a gap session pops up and lets you compute these examples. Or, if you click some (static) 3d-picture, an application pops up, an

[sage-devel] Symbolic n-th derivative and integral (anti-derivative)

2009-08-13 Thread Golam Mortuza Hossain
Hi, While waiting for next Sage final release, I enhanced the new symbolic "diff" implementation to support symbolic n-th derivative. So one can now work with them by calling the new diff derivative directly (with strict syntax) sage: f(x) = function('f',x); n,m=var('n,m') sage: h = sym

[sage-devel] Re: units

2009-08-13 Thread Jonathan
As a physical scientists I am definitely excited about this. I think the basic plans are sound. I presently do units as symbolic variable defined in terms of a list of standard SI units. I also define a list of physical constants with units. This works quite well, but as mentioned by others th

[sage-devel] Re: Updated ECL package

2009-08-13 Thread David Joyner
This one installed just fine one an intel macbook running 10.4.11! I will now test the new maxima spkg you created. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:03 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > > Juanjo, > > the main ECL developer has made new source release in the last 24 hours. > I've created a new ECL spkg. You

[sage-devel] Re: Very high load load average during make test

2009-08-13 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi David, On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > > Running 'make test' I'm seeing a load average of 13 on my dual processor > Sun, which it is not exactly happy about! > > > Here's the output from prstat > >PID USERNAME SIZE RSS STATE PRI NICE TIME CPU PROCESS/N

[sage-devel] Very high load load average during make test

2009-08-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Running 'make test' I'm seeing a load average of 13 on my dual processor Sun, which it is not exactly happy about! Here's the output from prstat PID USERNAME SIZE RSS STATE PRI NICE TIME CPU PROCESS/NLWP 16735 drkirkby 30M 25M run 450 0:37:43 11% maxima/1 28928

[sage-devel] Re: barriers to community growth

2009-08-13 Thread Harald Schilly
On Aug 13, 12:59 am, Ondrej Certik wrote: > Did you find some documentation for the python api? I only found this: the api seems to be language independent (COM) and well, i never really looked into it but get the sdk here: http://dlc.sun.com/virtualbox/vboxsdkdownload.html and chapter 5.2 expla

[sage-devel] Re: units

2009-08-13 Thread Stan Schymanski
The docu looks great, but I still like Robert Dodier's proposal of separating units from quantities, as done in ezunits. It is hard enough to remember all the internal functions and constants that should not be over-written by variable definitions (e.g. var('lambda')). If the unit abbreviation

[sage-devel] Re: Updated ECL package

2009-08-13 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi David, On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > > Juanjo, > > the main ECL developer has made new source release in the last 24 hours. > I've created a new ECL spkg. You can find it in the directory: > > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/kirkby/Solaris-fixes/ecl-9.8.3/ > >

[sage-devel] Updated ECL package

2009-08-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Juanjo, the main ECL developer has made new source release in the last 24 hours. I've created a new ECL spkg. You can find it in the directory: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/kirkby/Solaris-fixes/ecl-9.8.3/ I've updated http://sagetrac.org/sage_trac/ticket/6564 which has the title "[wi