Re: [sage-devel] Re: Combining finite/rational fields

2012-11-17 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/18/2012 01:31 AM, Nils Bruin wrote: That can be cleaned up quite a bit if this were rewritten to use maxima_lib. In that case the multiplications would probably be actual sage multiplications too, so would likely lead to the same errors as in Sage, though. The issue really is

Re: [sage-devel] Re: How to proceed to reduce Sage's memory leaking?

2012-11-12 Thread Michael Welsh
On 13/11/2012, at 4:16 PM, Nils Bruin nbr...@sfu.ca wrote: Incidentally: Are PPC-OSX4 (or where-ever the problem earlier arose) and i686 both 32 bit platforms? Yes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To post to this group, send

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Indexing of symbolic expressions

2012-11-11 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/11/2012 05:25 AM, Burcin Erocal wrote: Thanks for pointing this out Jean-Pierre. Here is the ticket: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/11576 I don't remember if the patch attached to the ticket is the most recent one. This might be better:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Indexing of symbolic expressions

2012-11-07 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/06/2012 10:51 PM, Andrey Novoseltsev wrote: On Nov 6, 7:14 am, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: What about a[None] returning a? That's a little awkward, I guess. Thanks, Jason I would never think that a[None] would return a, whatever a is! I'd expect something

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Indexing of symbolic expressions

2012-11-05 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/05/12 12:40, Jason Grout wrote: On 11/4/12 11:14 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: I'm playing around with different ways to create collections of symbolic variables. I though it would be nice to be able to chain subscripts, e.g., sage: x[1][2] x12 sage: latex(x[1][2]) x_{1

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Indexing of symbolic expressions

2012-11-05 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/05/2012 05:05 PM, Jason Grout wrote: Very nice! In the spirit of Python [1], There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it., may I suggest that you pick one indexing convention (e.g., round or square brackets) and use that? I'd suggest using square

[sage-devel] Indexing of symbolic expressions

2012-11-04 Thread Michael Orlitzky
I'm playing around with different ways to create collections of symbolic variables. I though it would be nice to be able to chain subscripts, e.g., sage: x[1][2] x12 sage: latex(x[1][2]) x_{1}_{2} but while implementing __getitem__(), I ran into the following test: Indexing directly

Re: [sage-devel] Policy on spkgs updates

2012-10-16 Thread Michael Welsh
On 16/10/2012, at 7:17 PM, Paul-Olivier Dehaye paul-olivier.deh...@math.uzh.ch wrote: Is it always encouraged to upgrade spkgs to more current stable upstream version? Right now scipy is at 0.9, applied with patches to fix a bug that is now corrected in version 0.11 (normally, I have not

[sage-devel] Long variable names in legend labels

2012-09-27 Thread Michael Orlitzky
I just created, http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/13543 Basically, if you try, sage: foo = var('foo') sage: plot(x,x,0,1, legend_label='$%s$' % latex(foo)) Matplotlib will crash. This is because we wrap long variable names in a latex \mbox, and matplotlib doesn't understand \mbox

[sage-devel] weird error with docs and Mountain Lion

2012-09-27 Thread Michael Welsh
this is an OS X general bug, not restricted to ML, but I lack other computers to test on. Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Long variable names in legend labels

2012-09-27 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 09/27/2012 11:13 PM, kcrisman wrote: On Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:36:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Orlitzky wrote: I just created, http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/13543 http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/13543 Basically, if you try, sage

Re: [sage-devel] Safe-5.3 failed to be built on Mountain Lion (OS X 10.8)

2012-09-25 Thread Michael Welsh
the older scipy spkg? Michael JBT On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 2:12:25 PM UTC-7, John H Palmieri wrote: On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 1:57:42 PM UTC-7, JBT wrote: Hi, I tried to build sage from source code on my mac running Mountain lion (10.8.2), but didn't succeed. Sage

Re: [sage-devel] Error in eigenmatrix_right or in documentation

2012-09-24 Thread Michael Welsh
On 24/09/2012, at 4:29 PM, ancienthart joalheag...@gmail.com wrote: Is *this* an error ... :/ Yes. In the documentation, not the test. See http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/13524 On Monday, 24 September 2012 14:25:38 UTC+10, ancienthart wrote: Hi everyone, In the documentation:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Need developer account on OSX 10.4 PPC (or remove from supported platforms)

2012-09-05 Thread Michael Welsh
it in your startup items (in System Prefs) work? It'll open Terminal, but a killall Terminal at the end will solve that... Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Need developer account on OSX 10.4 PPC (or remove from supported platforms)

2012-09-05 Thread Michael Welsh
On 6/09/2012, at 10:27 AM, Michael Welsh yom...@yomcat.geek.nz wrote: On 6/09/2012, at 10:21 AM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Relevant Question: Does anybody know how to robustly and successfully start a script when OS X boots, so when the lab machine mentioned above is rebooted

Re: [sage-devel] creating a local patch

2012-08-30 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 08/30/2012 12:36 PM, Luis Finotti wrote: Dear all, I had some changes made in a older version of sage. I wanted to create a patch that I can apply to a new install, without uploading to trac (as the changes are not good enough). Can anyone tell me the necessary commands or point me in

Re: [sage-devel] maxima does not build on 64-bit OSX 10.6.8 - logs?

2012-08-03 Thread Michael Welsh
On 3/08/2012, at 4:08 PM, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, 2 August 2012 23:00:23 UTC+8, kfiz wrote: yes, I'm trying to build sage in the Applications folder. I'm not a big OSX expert, but I might expect that one needs to use sudo sometimes to change things there

Re: [sage-devel] 5.2 intall -- doctest failed

2012-08-02 Thread Michael Welsh
On 3/08/2012, at 2:12 AM, Anna Haensch annahaen...@gmail.com wrote: What's the protocol then for reviewing patches on my machine at the moment? I guess it's impossible to get all tests passed with my current install. Try building from source. It should work on 10.6.8, with all doctests

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Vote: adding speaklater as a standard spkg

2012-07-04 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 07/03/12 23:06, Keshav Kini wrote: IMO it's usually better to depend on someone else's code than to absorb it, because then you can more easily pick up bugfixes later, and also it makes it clearer that we are benefiting from their work. To choose absorbing code instead of depending on it

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Vote: adding speaklater as a standard spkg

2012-07-04 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 07/04/2012 06:07 PM, William Stein wrote: On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: On 07/03/12 23:06, Keshav Kini wrote: IMO it's usually better to depend on someone else's code than to absorb it, because then you can more easily pick up bugfixes

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage release plan

2012-06-27 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 06/27/12 11:16, Volker Braun wrote: Debian is also pretty much the only one who disagrees with this. On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:13:40 PM UTC+1, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: Neither of these have any legal problems AFAIK. Debian disagrees with this... Debian wants to ship only

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage release plan

2012-06-27 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 06/27/12 11:40, Volker Braun wrote: On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:24:29 PM UTC+1, Michael Orlitzky wrote: Debian wants to ship only Free Software. If your Free Software requires non-Free software, it ain't Free. This has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Both Apache v1.0

Re: [sage-devel] Sage (tm)

2012-06-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 06/01/12 02:05, Martin Albrecht wrote: Secondly, it shouldn't be a problem but to verify: having a trademark on the name does not present a problem for being included in Debian et al., right? The Firefox/Iceweasel mess was the result of Mozilla's stance that you aren't allowed to

Re: [sage-devel] sage-5.0.1.rc0 released

2012-05-29 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 05/29/12 16:42, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: What does the acronym FAT in SAGE_FAT_BINARY refer to? FAT Acronym Triplet (it just means fat, i.e. big) -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to

Re: [sage-devel] C build problems on MacOS 10.7 Lion.

2012-05-24 Thread Michael Welsh
On 23/05/2012, at 6:50 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: What are these command line tools? They're hiding in the preferences for XCode. The Sage readme has the exact place. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Symbolic variables and uninitialized variables.

2012-05-12 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 05/12/2012 08:19 AM, Keshav Kini wrote: The latter conversation is an approximation of one that I had about five times near the beginning of our semester-long Sage class for undergraduates last fall, and which I'm sure other tutors for the class must have gone through as well with other

[sage-devel] Plotting with random points

2012-05-11 Thread Michael Orlitzky
Apropos nothing, I'm just curious why we default to randomize=True when plotting? -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at

Re: [sage-devel] Plotting with random points

2012-05-11 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 05/11/12 15:25, Robert Bradshaw wrote: It's to avoid issues like plotting sin(x) on (0, 100*pi) for 100 uniformly-distributed points. Makes sense, thanks. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Can we develop a plan to get 100% doctest coverage?

2012-05-02 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 05/02/2012 01:00 PM, kcrisman wrote: Note the indirect doctest, which is important, since otherwise the coverage script will complain about the fact that the name of the to- be-tested method (_repr_) does not occur in the test. Yup, and same for things like _pow_ as you say. On

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Can we develop a plan to get 100% doctest coverage?

2012-05-02 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 05/02/2012 05:38 PM, Simon King wrote: Hi Michael, On 2012-05-02, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: You can usually call the underscore methods directly. I thought (i.e.: I am sure that I was repeatedly told) that calling magical methods in a doctest is strongly discouraged

Re: [sage-devel] How to build patch for documentation

2012-04-13 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 04/12/12 09:57, ancienthart wrote: Hi guys, wanted to have a crack at the following trac ticket. http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/9824 Basically the documentation at http://www.sagemath.org/doc/reference/sage/calculus/desolvers.html#sage.calculus.desolvers.desolve_system needs to

Re: [sage-devel] Installing newer spkgs on older Sage versions

2012-04-13 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 04/13/12 04:43, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: I would like to know whether Sage developers find it important that *new* spkgs (developed today) work on *older* versions of Sage (say, sage-4.7 or sage-4.8). Personally, I don't care at all about this. If it works on the latest beta, that's fine.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: D[] notation input for ODEs

2012-04-07 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 04/06/2012 10:51 PM, Nils Bruin wrote: On Apr 6, 2:15 pm, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: That was a too-simple example. You can't create e.g. a cubic spline because of the evaluated derivatives. In general the form over [-1,1] would look like, s(f;x) = a(x)*f(-1) + b(x)*f

Re: [sage-devel] Re: D[] notation input for ODEs

2012-04-06 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 04/04/12 15:39, Nils Bruin wrote: On Apr 1, 2:34 pm, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: Substitution doesn't even work pre-evaluation: sage: f = function('f', x) sage: f_prime = f.diff(x) sage: g = function('g', x) sage: f_prime.substitute_function(f,g) D[0](f

Re: [sage-devel] Re: D[] notation input for ODEs

2012-04-06 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 04/06/12 16:12, Nils Bruin wrote: which you *can* provided you avoid the pitfall of function('f',x): sage: f=function('f') sage: var('a,b') (a, b) sage: midpoint = (1/2)*( f(a) + f(b) ) sage: midpoint 1/2*f(a) + 1/2*f(b) sage: midpoint.substitute_function(f,sin) 1/2*sin(a) +

Re: [sage-devel] Re: D[] notation input for ODEs

2012-04-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 04/01/2012 02:06 PM, Nils Bruin wrote: That's essentially the syntax we already have for FDerivativeOperator. which can also be like f.D(0) and f.D(0,1) ? I think that has merit, but it doesn't solve the problem that sage should probably have some notational convention for the

Re: [sage-devel] creating custom subclasses of polynomial rings

2012-03-28 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/28/2012 06:14 PM, Mark Shimozono wrote: Suppose I want to create a custom subclass of a polynomial ring. From which class should it inherit? It should not care so much about the eventual base ring. I'm a sage development newbie. Where can I read about the class hierarchy for sage

Re: [sage-devel] Call for vote: remove MoinMoin?

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/27/12 13:10, John H Palmieri wrote: This topic has been brought up here before as side notes in various threads, but I'd like to discuss it more officially: Should we remove MoinMoin as a standard package? [X] Yes [X] Get rid of altogether -- To post to this group, send an email to

Re: [sage-devel] All known bugs in Sage silently producing wrong answers

2012-03-21 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/21/12 14:56, William Stein wrote: Hi Proud Sage Developers, At the current Sage workshop some people (me, David Roe, Jen Balakrishnan, etc.) have made a stopgap function and identified Trac tickets describing Bugs silently producing wrong answers. So far they listed 7 of them:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Making simplification safe

2012-03-12 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/12/12 11:00, Peter H. wrote: I should amend my comment, since I was sloppy. Neither `x+1` nor `-x -1` is inherently positive or negative. `|x+1|` is the only thing that is, so that output would be the most correct result of your real expression. If Maxima doesn't actually return that,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Making simplification safe

2012-03-10 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/10/2012 08:32 AM, rjf wrote: You pretty much are missing the boat on what to do here. You seem to think you are constrained to return something that Maxima returns, and simultaneously think that you are building some kind of new mathematical correct system. There are two branches to the

[sage-devel] Sphinx extlinks

2012-03-10 Thread Michael Orlitzky
Did we ever get :trac:, :ticket:, or something similar? -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sphinx extlinks

2012-03-10 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/10/2012 11:01 AM, Keshav Kini wrote: Michael Orlitzkymich...@orlitzky.com writes: Did we ever get :trac:, :ticket:, or something similar? Yup - http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/12490 was merged in 5.0.beta4. Sweet, I tried it before asking but forgot the backticks. Looks

Re: [sage-devel] Making simplification safe

2012-03-10 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/04/2012 07:12 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: simplify ... 2. We can replace the existing simplify with, simplify_factorial - simplify_trig - simplify_rational - simplify_log which seem to be safe in practice. I like this, because it does actually try to simplify

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Making simplification safe

2012-03-06 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/06/12 12:03, daniel.kho wrote: sage: f = sqrt(x^2 + 2*x + 1) sage: f.full_simplify() x + 1 I think the user should have to try *really* hard to ask us for this simplification. Right now, simplify() just sends an expression to maxima and back. Full simplify does every

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Making simplification safe

2012-03-06 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/06/12 12:17, Michael Orlitzky wrote: This is very wrong over the reals, where we *should* get abs(x+1) rather than choosing +(x+1) or -(x+1) randomly. It's also super frickin' wrong over the complex numbers: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/12322 but that's not the problem I

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Making simplification safe

2012-03-06 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/06/12 14:26, Oscar Lazo wrote: 2. We can replace the existing simplify with, simplify_factorial - simplify_trig - simplify_rational - simplify_log which seem to be safe in practice. I like this, because it does actually try to simplify the expression but you can have

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage, gentoo-prefix lmonade was: log messages

2012-03-05 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/04/12 20:16, François Bissey wrote: this is python, you would want to get familliar with setup.py. I think it is a great deal to overwrite the content of your prefix system. First, all promises about safe upgrades without any (dangerous) left overs are off! That's my top concern.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage, gentoo-prefix lmonade was: log messages

2012-03-04 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/04/2012 01:15 AM, François Bissey wrote: That's a bit more complicated than that. But in essence yes you can. Now do you know how to get your version of the library to be used instead of the system one? Getting a copy and recompiling it is just hum. 2/3 of the story (just so you

[sage-devel] Making simplification safe

2012-03-04 Thread Michael Orlitzky
Right now, we have a problem with simplification. There are a couple of open tickets about it, and an Ask Sage thread, but it's easier to give an example (thanks to logix on IRC for the minimal test case): sage: f = sqrt(x^2 + 2*x + 1) sage: f.full_simplify() x + 1 I think the user

Re: [sage-devel] Re: trac field names -- arrrrr!

2012-03-03 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/02/2012 02:29 PM, kcrisman wrote: IF the patchbot actually applied the right patches to the right development version, naturally, which I suppose is what you mean in the next line? I meant that it would suck if the patchbot marked a ticket needs work because e.g. it ran out of memory.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage, gentoo-prefix lmonade was: log messages

2012-03-03 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/02/2012 04:45 PM, Georg S. Weber wrote: I don't agree for OS X. I myself built Gentoo Prefix on several OS X versions, Sage-on-Gentoo on top of it, as well as lmonade, and my impression is that Sage is a good deal better supported on OS X; and I even daresay that currently there are more

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage, gentoo-prefix lmonade was: log messages

2012-03-03 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/03/2012 07:50 PM, François Bissey wrote: On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:50:06 Michael Orlitzky wrote: I think Francois was referring to how easy it is to hack on the dependencies. Right now, you just extract the spkg, modify it, tar it up, and sage -f it. In prefix, you would revbump (-r1) your

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Natural language interface to sage

2012-03-02 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/01/12 23:43, Keshav Kini wrote: I don't understand. Why would it be *faster* to do version bumps if sage-on-gentoo gets into Gentoo proper? Overlays are always more nimble than the Gentoo tree, as far as I can see. If we're to distribute sage via source, we need some way for users to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: trac field names -- arrrrr!

2012-03-02 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/02/12 03:07, Robert Bradshaw wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: On 02/28/2012 07:33 PM, Keshav Kini wrote: It's not much consolation right now, but this will become easier once we switch to git, as branches can be automatically

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage, gentoo-prefix lmonade was: log messages

2012-03-02 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/02/12 11:46, William Stein wrote: On Mar 2, 2012 1:04 AM, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu mailto:rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: . I think the vast majority of spkgs should be vanilla upstream, and for those that we do patch, they're likely bugfixes that should make

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage, gentoo-prefix lmonade was: log messages

2012-03-02 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/02/12 12:47, William Stein wrote: By Gentoo do you mean Gentoo prefix [1] everywhere in this message? Not really. The Prefix project is just a way to run portage (the package manager) out of a non-root directory. So, for example, you could install the Prefix copy of portage in

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage security

2012-03-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/01/2012 10:39 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: On 2012-03-01 13:35, Jason Grout wrote: Can you elaborate, Jeroen, just so that communication is clear by what you mean by totally insecure? 1) A user on a public Notebook server can run totally arbitrary commands, including for example sending

[sage-devel] Support for the @property decorator?

2012-03-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
Is it possible to use these and have them documented nicely? I'd like to add the following to the MaximaLib class (re: trac #10682), @property def domain(self): r Returns the current value of the maxima `domain` variable. maxima_command = 'domain'

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Natural language interface to sage

2012-03-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/01/2012 04:00 PM, Julien Puydt wrote: I'm sorry, but I still fail to see how situation : sage contains all its deps (even if they're already there) will be any better for subtle bugs than situation : sage has the same deps, but doesn't manage them itself more than by

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Natural language interface to sage

2012-03-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/01/2012 04:52 PM, William Stein wrote: I'm sorry, but I still fail to see how situation : sage contains all its deps (even if they're already there) will be any better for subtle bugs than situation : sage has the same deps, but doesn't manage them itself more than by declaring

[sage-devel] Polynomial coercion / MPFR

2012-02-29 Thread Michael Orlitzky
Can someone familiar with the above please take a look at the (3 line) patch at, http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/9826 The crash no longer happens in the 5.0 betas, however it's not clear to me what was fixed and whether or not the original fix should still be applied. See also:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Unifying Command line options

2012-02-28 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/27/12 15:51, R. Andrew Ohana wrote: 2) How would we handle sage scripts (or other things that are truly arguments and not subcommands) 2) The standard solution has been brought up, and I think it is decent one; we use an escape mode with a double dash (e.g. sage -- some_script.sage).

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Unifying Command line options

2012-02-28 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/28/2012 03:45 PM, Keshav Kini wrote: William Steinwst...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Keshav Kinikeshav.k...@gmail.com wrote: It's not actually a fallback for b), though. If a file does exist with the same name as a subcommand, b) makes it impossible to use that

Re: [sage-devel] trac field names -- arrrrr!

2012-02-28 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/28/2012 06:16 PM, William Stein wrote: Incidentally, I think a ticket set to needs review that doesn't have a specific *reviewer* chosen by the author of the ticket, should be bumped back to needs work. Perhaps the biggest reason we have 279 tickets (right now) that need review is that

Re: [sage-devel] Re: trac field names -- arrrrr!

2012-02-28 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/28/2012 07:33 PM, Keshav Kini wrote: It's not much consolation right now, but this will become easier once we switch to git, as branches can be automatically checked for whether they are still mergeable into trunk or not. Well, the same could be done with patches I guess but it would

Re: [sage-devel] $CC in sage/atlas packages

2012-02-27 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/26/12 04:03, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: On 2012-02-26 00:42, Michael Orlitzky wrote: I've been cleaning up this old ticket, http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/2999 because most of the issues are either fixed or being worked on independently. I don't know anything about {atlas,sage

[sage-devel] $CC in sage/atlas packages

2012-02-25 Thread Michael Orlitzky
I've been cleaning up this old ticket, http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/2999 because most of the issues are either fixed or being worked on independently. I don't know anything about {atlas,sage}.spkg though. Does anyone know if the ticket is still valid for them? -- To post to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Trac attachment notification

2012-02-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/16/2012 12:19 AM, Keshav Kini wrote: See this incredibly old Trac trac ticket: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2259 It looks like even though our version of Trac is pretty old, even upgrading to the latest Trac might not solve this... *facepalm* Thanks. -- To post to this group, send

[sage-devel] Trac attachment notification

2012-02-15 Thread Michael Orlitzky
I notice on this ticket[1] that I didn't get emailed about the updated patch from tmonteil. An updated attachment should work the same as a comment, right? Is this something that can be changed? I don't want to lose track of tickets I'm in the process of reviewing. [1]

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about system dependencies policy...

2012-02-13 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/12/12 20:39, Keshav Kini wrote: Please report issues for the new notebook at http://github.com/sagemath/sagenb ! Thanks :) Thanks, I made this issue #38: https://github.com/sagemath/sagenb/issues/38 -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe

Re: [sage-devel] doctest weirdness

2012-02-13 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/13/12 13:51, Ryan wrote: #this test case will pass def TestCase1(): r''' Examples:: sage: ascii() 'abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz' ''' pass Nesting single quotes like this is bound to fail in surprising ways. This test isn't even

Re: [sage-devel] Re: doctest weirdness

2012-02-13 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/13/12 15:46, R. Grout wrote: so if the doctest framework doesn't do imports, do I have to import everything I use in each doctest? There is some[1] magic, but I gather this was a new file? Unless you add your module to sage.all somehow, from sage.all import * won't pull it in. You can

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-12 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/12/2012 01:33 AM, John H Palmieri wrote: On Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:39:32 PM UTC-8, Michael Orlitzky wrote: I've started this: http://wiki.sagemath.org/PiecewiseSymbolicSEP http://wiki.sagemath.org/PiecewiseSymbolicSEP It's basically a brain dump at this point

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about system dependencies policy...

2012-02-12 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/12/2012 10:54 AM, Jonathan wrote: I found my notes on proxying Sage. If you set up Sage as the root of your server (ie proxy / to Sage) most of the paths are correct (not all, but most). If you have a server like mine that has legacy pages at / you have to proxy something else to Sage

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about system dependencies policy...

2012-02-11 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/11/2012 03:12 PM, Volker Braun wrote: If you want to compile the flask notebook then I think we should recommend installing openssl-dev but not require it. So on machines without ssl it'll just build without ssl support, easy. For distributed binaries we don't need ssl headers, only ssl

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about system dependencies policy...

2012-02-11 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/11/2012 03:48 PM, Keshav Kini wrote: As long as we provide instructions on how to use nginx as a backend to provide SSL, we're not really losing functionality, just increasing inconvenience a bit for those who want to use SSL. It could even work out of the box. There shouldn't be a

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about system dependencies policy...

2012-02-11 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/11/2012 04:11 PM, Jason Grout wrote: On 2/11/12 3:05 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 02/11/2012 03:48 PM, Keshav Kini wrote: As long as we provide instructions on how to use nginx as a backend to provide SSL, we're not really losing functionality, just increasing inconvenience a bit

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about system dependencies policy...

2012-02-11 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/11/2012 04:12 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: On 2012-02-11 22:05, Michael Orlitzky wrote: It could even work out of the box. There shouldn't be a problem distributing apache/nginx linked against OpenSSL in the sage tarball. Why not directly link to OpenSSL then? If you require people to have

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about system dependencies policy...

2012-02-11 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/11/2012 04:39 PM, Jason Grout wrote: The GPL extends to cover all code shipped together, IIRC. So it is different, in my understanding. That's fine. I don't think any of us are lawyers, thank god, so like I said in my response to Jeroen we could make it a separate tarball and still

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about system dependencies policy...

2012-02-11 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/11/2012 04:37 PM, Jonathan wrote: Making Sage work well with a proxy is no simple matter. I run a number of web sites where we proxy through Apache to get SSL and generally more robust web services facing the outside world. For this to work well your backend needs to be proxy aware, or

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about system dependencies policy...

2012-02-11 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/11/2012 06:10 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: I think it pretty much *is* the same situation license-wise. You are just replacing the non-GPL openSSL by the non-GPL apache. Precisely. We would have to link to OpenSSL though, whereas we communicate with apache over a TCP/IP connection. --

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-11 Thread Michael Orlitzky
I've started this: http://wiki.sagemath.org/PiecewiseSymbolicSEP It's basically a brain dump at this point, but I can go back and clean up specific ideas now with less overhead. I've also added a link and a few paragraphs to the GSoC proposal. -- To post to this group, send an email to

Re: [sage-devel] use ./configure; make for Sage?

2012-02-09 Thread Michael Orlitzky
I'll +1 both sides: 1) autotools is the worst thing on Earth 2) sage should use it -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at

Re: [sage-devel] use ./configure; make for Sage?

2012-02-09 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/09/2012 09:21 AM, Julien Puydt wrote: It's unfair : the problems they try to solve is basically unsolvable, and that is _a part_ of why they're so complex. Agreed. And other build systems that work comparably-well usually end up looking worse. It will hurt, but it still should to

Re: [sage-devel] use ./configure; make for Sage?

2012-02-09 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/09/2012 11:01 AM, David Kirkby wrote: On 9 February 2012 14:04, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com mailto:mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: I'll +1 both sides: 1) autotools is the worst thing on Earth I believe if it was as bad as you make out, it would not be as popular

Re: [sage-devel] use ./configure; make for Sage?

2012-02-09 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/09/2012 01:23 PM, William Stein wrote: I still feel that what is being proposed is very vague. Is it to deprecate all of these variables [1] (but still fully support them for at least one year!), and make them options to a ./configure script?

Re: [sage-devel] Re: log messages

2012-02-09 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/09/2012 04:18 PM, kcrisman wrote: I think you are totally missing the point. To a newbie who has heard of the following: cd mv hg ln you are right. My assumption is that we would like to be as inviting as possible to those who have not. (And they are legion; think of the Windows

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/07/2012 11:20 PM, kcrisman wrote: I hesitate to say I would be a good mentor, but there are a lot of things in symbolics and graphics that would be appropriate for this that I'd like to try with some of my students. Especially piecewise functions and such. Continuing nontrivial Geogebra

Re: [sage-devel] Re: spkg dependency checking

2012-02-08 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/08/12 16:13, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: On 2012-02-08 18:40, Jean-Pierre Flori wrote: In some packages, we already have some dependencies section. I guess this could be used (or put somewhere else in the spkg) and then used by Sage (and not the spkg-install script itself, just as what is

[sage-devel] Re: Android app

2012-02-02 Thread Michael Madison
Jason, On a HTC Thunderbolt with Android 2.3.4 everything works with version 2.0!! Great job. Is this just a beta? How would I add examples? Thanks Mike On Jan 25, 6:46 pm, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: On 1/25/12 5:13 PM, Michael Madison wrote: Jason,  On a HTC

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Literal matrix syntax

2012-01-26 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/26/12 16:36, William Stein wrote: Why *not* use it? The standard argument against preparser stuff like this is that you have to be careful to not use it when writing .py code for the Sage core library. But at least this matrix notation will always result in a SyntaxError if used

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Literal matrix syntax

2012-01-26 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/26/12 17:00, William Stein wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: On 01/26/12 16:36, William Stein wrote: Why *not* use it? The standard argument against preparser stuff like this is that you have to be careful to not use it when writing

[sage-devel] Re: Android app

2012-01-26 Thread Michael Madison
Jason, This is an android phone. The the space I just get an ok nothing else. Mike On Jan 25, 6:46 pm, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: On 1/25/12 5:13 PM, Michael Madison wrote: Jason,  On a HTC Thunderbolt with Android 2.3.4 if I put a couple of spaces I get an ok

[sage-devel] Re: Android app

2012-01-25 Thread Michael Madison
Jason, On a HTC Thunderbolt with Android 2.3.4 if I put a couple of spaces I get an ok, but not 2. Mike On Jan 25, 10:43 am, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: On 1/25/12 2:03 AM, Moritz Minzlaff wrote: Same problems here (Samsung Galaxy Mini, 2.3.5). I can connect to

[sage-devel] Re: Android app

2012-01-24 Thread Michael Madison
I tried it on a HTC Thunderbolt with Android 2.3.4 and it said it could not connect to the web page. Mike On Jan 23, 6:31 pm, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote: I have now implemented (some) interacts and away of selecting pre-written Sage commands, so it is ready for some public

Re: [sage-devel] FreeBSD and Sage - parallel building of docs

2012-01-23 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/24/2012 12:23 AM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: Looking in http://www.sagemath.org/doc/installation/source.html it says that make -j4 is respected. This works really great when building the source code. But the documentation also suggests that it should be building in parallel when

[sage-devel] Memory-dependent doctests (trac #5943)

2012-01-22 Thread Michael Orlitzky
There's an issue at, http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/5943 that can fail in different ways, depending on the architecture and amount of memory installed. I'm hoping someone will have a better idea for a doctest, or that there will be consensus that the existing doctests cover the

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about scoping

2012-01-17 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/17/12 09:29, Jason Grout wrote: You can do this: var('x') instead of this: x=var('x') That's less error-prone (you don't have to type/mistype the variable twice), easier to type, etc. (completely off-topic) There should really be a page explaining the different ways to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: WIKI connection problem

2012-01-17 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/17/2012 05:37 PM, Florent Hivert wrote: Unfortunately, that's not the problem. As I already said, I tried from 6 different computers using windows and linux OSes, Firefox, IE, Opera, Konqueror as browser... All show the same behavior. So I really think this is on the server side. That's

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