[sage-devel] "SageMath will replace Maple"

2017-11-15 Thread William A Stein
One tiny step toward our mission statement... -- Forwarded message -- From: Jori Mäntysalo Date: Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 1:29 AM Subject: Sage and supercomputer Might be of interest to know. Taito is the second biggest computer in Finland, 17704 computing cores in total. -- Jori Mä

[sage-devel] Fwd: Sage at 2016 MAA Project NExT Networking Lunch

2016-05-14 Thread William A Stein
Is any Sage dev going to the MAA Mathfest? If so, email Alissa below. -- Forwarded message -- From: Crans, Alissa Date: Fri, May 13, 2016 at 9:23 PM Subject: RE: Sage at 2016 MAA Project NExT Networking Lunch To: William A Stein Hi William, I hope you're doing well. I

Re: [sage-devel] Question about Arbitrary Precision Logarithms And Number of Correct Digits

2014-10-03 Thread William A Stein
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 7:34 AM, kcrisman wrote: >> I ran exactly into this some time ago while sanity-checking some >> high-precision MPFR computations with the results of Wolfram Alpha (which >> also wraps real literals into its own, I presume exact, representation). >> > > Default precision for

Re: [sage-devel] Re: default ellipse color

2014-10-02 Thread William A Stein
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 10:47 PM, kcrisman wrote: >>> Another 3d-plotting direction is the webgl-enabled JSmol, which is >>> actually pretty. It would be easy enough to integrate, though right now the >>> upgrade is stuck in he java applet mud ;-) >>> >>> > > Keeping in mind that I'm talking about

Re: [sage-devel] Re: default ellipse color

2014-10-01 Thread William A Stein
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 8:55 AM, kcrisman wrote: >> > Here is yet another bug. It seems that in Sage-5.0.beta.x with the >> > new notebook code, the default color picker interact control is >> > completely broken. For me, this doesn't work at all: >> > >> > @interact >> > def f(n=Color('red')): >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Proposal: remove SAGE_UPGRADING

2014-09-29 Thread William A Stein
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > On 2014-09-29, Volker Braun wrote: >> I propose to remove the SAGE_UPGRADING variable and make it act like it >> would be always "yes" (instead of "no", which is the current default). >> Right now, we sabotage "make" to not rebuild dependen

[sage-devel] sage days 6 video

2014-09-28 Thread William A Stein
Hi, I finally made the Sage Days 6 [1] (Bristol, UK) videos available: http://wiki.sagemath.org/days6/videos Some are amusing, especially the developer interviews that Ondrej Certik ran around doing... [1] http://wiki.sagemath.org/days6 -- William -- William Stein Professor of Mathemati

Re: [sage-devel] Best way to store a database?

2014-09-27 Thread William A Stein
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 12:22 PM, mmarco wrote: >> >> How long ? >> > > Around five seconds in a very fast SSD disk. >> >> >> >> What kind of Python/Sage object do you want to store at the end ? >> Dictionaries of strings (easy to store in a SQL table) or less standard >> Sage objects ? What take

Re: [sage-devel] Best way to store a database?

2014-09-27 Thread William A Stein
On Saturday, September 27, 2014, Travis Scrimshaw wrote: > > It is, but in a totally outdated version. I am not sure whether there is >> a ticket for upgrading it. >> >> We should delete the optional package entirely. Just encourage people to pip install it instead. The same goes for every optio

Re: [sage-devel] Best way to store a database?

2014-09-26 Thread William A Stein
On Friday, September 26, 2014, Julien Puydt wrote: > Hi, > > Le 26/09/2014 22:18, mmarco a écrit : > >> So i take it would require sqlite as a dependency? or is it already >> shipped >> with sage by default? >> > > It is shipped (quite recent), > To clarify - we have included sqlite with sage s

Re: [sage-devel] Best way to store a database?

2014-09-26 Thread William A Stein
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 8:48 AM, mmarco wrote: > I am working on an optional package for the knot atlas. The idea is to > download the database of knots and links and be able to query it. > > I have downloaded a +300MB .rdf file from the knot atlas web page. Juyst > parsing it takes a bit. Which w

[sage-devel] Sage package bash?

2014-09-26 Thread William A Stein
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 7:06 AM, John Cremona > wrote: > On 26 September 2014 14:59, Dima Pasechnik > wrote: >> From the noises I hear, in particular on our departamental email, sysadmins might be tempted to "rm -f /bin/bash" >> from any place they can get their hands on. >> >> It might mean that f

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-cloud] Install SciLab components & create/enable %julia for worksheets?

2014-09-25 Thread William A Stein
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 5:28 PM, rickhg12hs wrote: > Thanks, it seems to be functional now. > > As you pointed out, the output can be pretty whacked and "print" doesn't > like it, but the right numbers appear! Yep. The output will get fixed too, but that's for a little later... > > On Thursday,

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-cloud] Install SciLab components & create/enable %julia for worksheets?

2014-09-25 Thread William A Stein
Hi, I fixed the scilab problem. Restart your Sage Worksheet Server (lower left in project settings) to see the fix (and scilab now working). Note that output in worksheets looks a little funny, due to control codes. The scilab problem was a bug in Sage... or rather something in the command lin

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Why I don't think Sage has "failed" as a replacement for Maple, Mathematica and other Ma*'s

2014-09-25 Thread William A Stein
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Jan Groenewald wrote: > Hi > > > > On 25 September 2014 20:01, kcrisman wrote: I read W. Stein's blog on why he thinks Sage is failing since it isn't on par with Maple, Mathematica and other Ma*'s *now*. I teach high schoolers and college

Re: [sage-devel] Why I don't think Sage has "failed" as a replacement for Maple, Mathematica and other Ma*'s

2014-09-25 Thread William A Stein
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Chris Seberino wrote: > I read W. Stein's blog on why he thinks Sage is failing since it isn't on > par with Maple, Mathematica and other Ma*'s *now*. Just to slightly clarify -- my concern is not that Sage isn't on par with the Ma's now. My concern is that at t

Re: [sage-devel] Printing deprecated functions in gray ?

2014-09-24 Thread William A Stein
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Nathann Cohen wrote: > Hello everybody ! > > Here I was deprecating stuff, and I wondered: could we make it explicit in > the tab-completion that some functions are deprecated ? > > In particular, I have to (I am not proud) replace a (now deprecated) > designs.orth

Re: [sage-devel] Sage Stack Exchange Site

2014-09-22 Thread William A Stein
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen wrote: > I have been informed in some communication with SX folks that they do not do > this, as a matter of policy. When they first started I guess they may have > done so a few times, but definitely not now. So one would have to keep

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [GDML] [gdml] ICERM report and comments

2014-09-16 Thread William A Stein
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Volker Braun wrote: > On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 4:08:27 PM UTC+1, kcrisman wrote: >> >> For those looking for a laugh, check out http://clochure.org/ . I have to >> admit, their list of reasons to use it is short, but somehow makes sense >> when they say it.

Re: [sage-devel] Deprecations for changed behaviour

2014-09-15 Thread William A Stein
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2014-09-15 19:19, William A Stein wrote: >> >> I think it should depend on the documented API. >> ... the docstring says: >> >> Docstring: Return generator of this finite field as an extension of >>

Re: [sage-devel] Deprecations for changed behaviour

2014-09-15 Thread William A Stein
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > Dear sage-devel, > > we all know that deprecations are good when you remove some functionality (a > function, a keyword...). It's not clear to me if there is any deprecation > policy for *changing* functionality. I think it should depend on

[sage-devel] Re: sparse linear algebra in sage

2014-09-13 Thread William A Stein
On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 11:52 AM, William A Stein wrote: > On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Erik Slivken > <> wrote: >> William- >> >> I am trying to find the eigenvalues of a roughly 1x1 sparse matrix >> with entries from {0,1} (and would like to do t

[sage-devel] sparse linear algebra in sage

2014-09-13 Thread William A Stein
On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Erik Slivken <> wrote: > William- > > I am trying to find the eigenvalues of a roughly 1x1 sparse matrix > with entries from {0,1} (and would like to do this for even larger > matrices). I don't know what could be done to increase the speed (right now > it

[sage-devel] Re: [GDML] [gdml] ICERM report and comments

2014-09-13 Thread William A Stein
Does anybody know of any concrete examples of "reproducible research failures" involving sage, in the spirit of the article? I.e. actual (published?) research math code done in sage version X that can't be run today (in particular either the api of sage changed a lot *or* nobody can build sage vers

[sage-devel] Fwd: [GDML] [gdml] ICERM report and comments

2014-09-11 Thread William A Stein
Hi Sage Devs, I just received this email which links to a report about "global digital math libraries" and also a long and opinionated document by somebody named Nelson Beebe. Since Sage is mentioned a few times in both documents, I thought I would forward them, since maybe some Sage developers m

[sage-devel] Joint Math Meetings Sage Booth

2014-09-10 Thread William A Stein
Hi, If you're going to the JMM in San Antonio in January, and want to help out with the Sage booth (e.g., setup, etc.), I can get you an exhibitor badge, which gives you access to the exhibit hall at extra times (and normal times).Let me know in the next few days. I'll be at the booth a lot.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-cloud] Google Summer of Code Alternative

2014-09-10 Thread William A Stein
at happens … Woops -- well I'm officially interested in mentoring something in number theory. > > H > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:52 PM, William A Stein wrote: >> I'm forwarding this to the sage-devel list, since sage-cloud isn't >> sage (and sage-cloud

[sage-devel] Fwd: [sage-cloud] Google Summer of Code Alternative

2014-09-10 Thread William A Stein
I'm forwarding this to the sage-devel list, since sage-cloud isn't sage (and sage-cloud isn't FOSS, so can't participate in this program), but Sage can. -- Forwarded message -- From: Андрей Ширшов Date: Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:19 AM Subject: [sage-cloud] Google Summer of Code Alte

Re: [sage-devel] About typechecking

2014-09-05 Thread William A Stein
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Jori Mantysalo wrote: > Here is the code for is_isomorphic() on class FinitePoset: > > if hasattr(other,'hasse_diagram'): > return . . . > else: > raise ValueError('The input is not a finite poset.') > > So for example Posets.

[sage-devel] Sage Booth -- Joint Math Meetings in January

2014-09-03 Thread William A Stein
Hi, In case anybody is curious, there *will* be a Sage booth again at the Joint Mathematics Meetings in Texas this January, and I'll be at the booth pretty much the whole time. Help, etc., will be appreciated. -- William -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http:

Re: [sage-cloud] Re: [sage-devel] Re: gap on smc; whitelist gap-system.org

2014-09-03 Thread William A Stein
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > On 2014-09-02, William A Stein wrote: >> Hi Sage-devs, >> >> Is there anybody out there whose interested in (greatly) increasing >> the number of optional gap packages in the optional GAP spkg for Sage? > &g

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-cloud] gap on smc; whitelist gap-system.org

2014-09-03 Thread William A Stein
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:27 PM, Samuel Lelièvre wrote: > > William Stein wrote: > >> Is there anybody out there whose interested in (greatly) increasing >> the number of optional gap packages in the optional GAP spkg for Sage? >> >> This thread has a lot of info about this.In particular, this

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-cloud] gap on smc; whitelist gap-system.org

2014-09-02 Thread William A Stein
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM, François Bissey wrote: > That's a point were I think I should chip in some info. > > When sage moved to gap 4.5+ I was in pain making a new ebuild for sage-on- > gentoo. Initially I was just installing the full gap instead of a trimmed > version. Installation takes

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-cloud] gap on smc; whitelist gap-system.org

2014-09-02 Thread William A Stein
Hi Sage-devs, Is there anybody out there whose interested in (greatly) increasing the number of optional gap packages in the optional GAP spkg for Sage? This thread has a lot of info about this.In particular, this would be very beneficial to SageMathCloud... -- William On Tue, Sep 2, 2014

[sage-devel] Fwd: SAGE in the cloud and Python 3

2014-09-02 Thread William A Stein
http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/15980 " -- Forwarded message -- From: Date: Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:12 AM Subject: Re: SAGE in the cloud and Python 3 To: William A Stein Ok, but I saw that SciPy and Numpy were Py3 compatible now : http://www.scipy.org/scipylib/faq.html#do

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE in the cloud and Python 3

2014-09-02 Thread William A Stein
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:41 AM, wrote: > Hi William ! > When will SAGE be Python 3 compatible ? I tried with range and it’s still > Python 2… > Thanks, As far as I know, we currently have no specific concrete plans for transition sage from Python 2 to Python 3. I've cc'd the sage-devel list

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] You don't really think that Sage has failed, do you? (a comment about it)

2014-09-02 Thread William A Stein
On Tuesday, September 2, 2014, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 10:03:52AM -0700, Bill Hart wrote: > >To my knowledge, the European Union funding agencies did not have a > >significant stake in the origin and development of Sage, > > Indeed, and this is by design :-) > >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: How practical/useful would a native windows subset be?

2014-09-01 Thread William A Stein
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 3:42 AM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: > On 28 August 2014 16:55, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> 2014-08-28 17:44 UTC+02:00, Jori Mantysalo : > >>> I am now thinking for example university class using Sage as a part of >>> some cours

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-cloud] gap on smc; whitelist gap-system.org

2014-09-01 Thread William A Stein
I'm cc'ing this to sage-devel. It is about GAPs long, long list of packages, most of which we don't include or even package optionally for Sage... On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 3:18 AM, Alexander Konovalov wrote: > On Friday, August 29, 2014 8:06:33 AM UTC+1, Stein William wrote: >> > There are a larg

Re: [sage-devel] Re: How practical/useful would a native windows subset be?

2014-09-01 Thread William A Stein
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 1:38 AM, William A Stein wrote: >> Am Sonntag, 31. August 2014 18:15:44 UTC+2 schrieb Volker Braun: >>> Links don't work (home directories on boxen are private now) > > I'm happy to change any to be public, on a case-by-case basis. I was >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: How practical/useful would a native windows subset be?

2014-09-01 Thread William A Stein
> Am Sonntag, 31. August 2014 18:15:44 UTC+2 schrieb Volker Braun: >> Links don't work (home directories on boxen are private now) I'm happy to change any to be public, on a case-by-case basis. I was just having too much trouble with people posting illegal books publicly, then I get contacted by

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] You don't really think that Sage has failed, do you? (a comment about it)

2014-08-30 Thread William A Stein
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Bill Hart wrote: > > > On Saturday, 30 August 2014 00:35:01 UTC+2, Robert Bradshaw wrote: >> >> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 5:03 AM, Bill Hart >> wrote: >> > >> > On Friday, 29 August 2014 13:17:40 UTC+2, Volker Braun wrote: >> >> >> >> First of all, it always sadden

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Is 1 a prime power?

2014-08-29 Thread William A Stein
Note: If we change is_prime_power, we also have to change the prime_powers function, e.g., sage: prime_powers(10) [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9] I use this prime_powers function a lot in my Riemann Hypothesis book (co-authored with Mazur).There's a bunch of code like this: for pn in prime_powers(

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] You don't really think that Sage has failed, do you? (a comment about it)

2014-08-29 Thread William A Stein
On Friday, August 29, 2014, Volker Braun wrote: > First of all, it always saddens me when the ugly head of nationalism rears > its head. I thought the time where we only support German science were > over... > > What sets Sage apart from GAP/Singular (and, I dare say: Flint) is the > scale and th

Re: [sage-devel] Is 1/2 a prime power?

2014-08-29 Thread William A Stein
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 12:23 PM, John Cremona wrote: > > > > On 29 August 2014 11:21, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> I guess Wikipedia is a good source for a definition and it says: >> >> "In mathematics, a prime power is a positive integer power of a single >> prime

Re: [sage-devel] Is 1 a prime power?

2014-08-29 Thread William A Stein
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 10:53 AM, John Cremona wrote: > pari: > > ? isprimepower(1) > %4 = 0 > > magma: > >>> IsPrimePower(1); >^ > Runtime error in 'IsPrimePower': Argument 1 (1) should be >= 2 > > gap> IsPrimePowerInt(1); > false > > I'll let others try Maple. That seems like en

Re: [sage-devel] Re: speed regression testing

2014-08-29 Thread William A Stein
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Jean-Pierre Flori wrote: > I don't know for sure, but I think linbox does not link to LAPACK > (anymore?). > Maybe that make a small difference already. That's precisely what I'm worried about -- not linking lapack would perhaps change linbox from being world cl

[sage-devel] speed regression testing

2014-08-29 Thread William A Stein
Hi, What's the situation with speed regression testing in Sage? A couple of years ago I think people wrote a regression testing framework (maybe David Roe or Robert Bradshaw?) MOTIVATION: I ask because at Sage Days 61 I keep hearing about how our exact linear algebra in Sage is terrible (with re

Re: [sage-devel] When the notebook tries to be smart

2014-08-28 Thread William A Stein
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Nathann Cohen wrote: > Helll everybody ! > > I am having a small problem. There is a function that is meant to > output a big table, and while it works fine in the console it is a > mess in the notebook: > > from sage.combinat.designs.latin_squares import

Re: [sage-devel] proposal: remove python spkg and use pip instead

2014-08-28 Thread William A Stein
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Jean-Pierre Flori wrote: > > > On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:11:47 PM UTC+2, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> >> On 2014-08-27 21:01, Julien Puydt wrote: >> > but on a general basis people are quite welcoming of >> > sensible contributions. >> Depends on the project. Wh

Re: [sage-devel] Re: How practical/useful would a native windows subset be?

2014-08-28 Thread William A Stein
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Emil Widmann wrote: > > > Am Mittwoch, 27. August 2014 21:00:49 UTC+2 schrieb Travis Scrimshaw: >> >> >> >> IMO there are three big issues with the current Sage Windows VM: >> >> 1 - It's slow because it runs within the VM (which also causes some >> usability iss

Re: [sage-devel] taskforce: documentation

2014-08-28 Thread William A Stein
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Harald Schilly wrote: > I've read most of the comments which did roll in in the last few days. One > repeated topic was about the documentation. I'm curious if there is > currently anyone working on improving it? I think the reference > documentation is really good

Re: [sage-devel] reddit'ers at it again discussing sage...

2014-08-28 Thread William A Stein
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Travis Scrimshaw wrote: >> >> Well, I think you didn't understand me or I don't understand you. >> There is already numpy, scipy and matplotlib in Sage and there is no >> obstruction whatsoever to use it. One has to turn off the preparser, >> otherwise you might se

Re: [sage-devel] How practical/useful would a native windows subset be?

2014-08-27 Thread William A Stein
On Wednesday, August 27, 2014, Volker Braun wrote: > On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 8:00:49 PM UTC+1, Travis Scrimshaw wrote: >> >> But running the VM surely has a speed penalty because it has to go >>> through that big fat layer of the VM? >>> >> > Virtual machines are extremely fast on somewhat-

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] You don't really think that Sage has failed, do you? (a comment about it)

2014-08-27 Thread William A Stein
Thanks for posting this. That said the big "SAGE must choose" question below doesn't actually make any sense given how sage is developed... On Wednesday, August 27, 2014, kcrisman wrote: > Interesting comment on the post on Facebook. Note the comment about > payment as well. > +++ > In my univ

Re: [sage-devel] proposal: remove python spkg and use pip instead

2014-08-27 Thread William A Stein
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Now that pip is an optional spkg, I think it would be a good idea to: > 1) add some word about it in the documentation > 2) use it to replace some of the optional and experimental packages > I would li

[sage-devel] reddit'ers at it again discussing sage...

2014-08-27 Thread William A Stein
http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/2eo9ku/sage_open_source_mathematics_software_you_dont/ -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org wst...@uw.edu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To un

Re: [sage-devel] Re: How practical/useful would a native windows subset be?

2014-08-27 Thread William A Stein
I tried to port Sage to mingw once, back when it was easier (2006), and failed already at building Python. There was a huge page with hacks to maybe do it back then, but they weren't working. There's a stackoverflow question now about this problem: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15365249/bu

Re: [sage-devel] How practical/useful would a native windows subset be?

2014-08-27 Thread William A Stein
On Wednesday, August 27, 2014, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) < drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> wrote: > >> > The download size of such a subset would be smaller than the full > version and MUCH smaller that a virtual machine image, as one doesn't need > to include a complete operating sy

Re: [sage-devel] Re: How practical/useful would a native windows subset be?

2014-08-26 Thread William A Stein
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Harald Schilly wrote: > > > On Monday, August 25, 2014 10:15:41 AM UTC+2, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby > Microwave Ltd) wrote: >> >> It seems Sage really could do with a native windows port. > > > Just my 2 cents (after not really reading the whole thread) > What about

Re: [sage-devel] Re: How practical/useful would a native windows subset be?

2014-08-26 Thread William A Stein
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: > > On 27 Aug 2014 02:13, "Bill Hart" wrote: > >> The biggest problem by far is the upstream projects who do not accept >> patches into their repositories to support Windows, and aren't willing to >> make the changes

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-nt] naming convention: primes, prime_range, prime_powers

2014-08-26 Thread William A Stein
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:01 AM, Travis Scrimshaw wrote: >> >> We already have Primes (upper case P) for that... it just need to be >> tuned to accept lower/upper bounds. It is nicer from the user point of >> view (as far as OOP is better than functional programming). A good >> solution for the na

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] You don't really think that Sage has failed, do you? (a comment about it)

2014-08-26 Thread William A Stein
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:51 PM, kcrisman wrote: >> Two remarks: >> >> 1. It makes no sense for this post to go to the sage-release mailing >> list. It should go to sage-flame (or maybe sage-devel). It > > > > Here is a sage-devel reason. OK, thread moved to sage-devel. >> 2. > I can cite seve

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Student looking to contirbute to Sage

2014-08-26 Thread William A Stein
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Nathann Cohen wrote: > Yo ! > >> I do not have anything specific in mind. > > > It's not a problem. We all write Sage code because Sage can't do what we > need. Here are the steps you should follow: > > 1) Use it > 2) Figure out that your code fails because there i

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-nt] naming convention: primes, prime_range, prime_powers

2014-08-26 Thread William A Stein
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 3:12 PM, John Cremona wrote: > Sounds like a reasonable plan if you (or someone) can be bothered to > sort out the chenges which will need to be made in code and doctests! Even then, personally I don't like it. See below for a different suggestion that is less intrusive.

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-nt] naming convention: primes, prime_range, prime_powers

2014-08-26 Thread William A Stein
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > Right now, we have the following functions > - primes: an iterator over primes > - prime_range: a list of primes (in Cython) > - prime_powers: a list of prime powers > - prime_power_range: another

Re: [sage-devel] Re: How practical/useful would a native windows subset be?

2014-08-25 Thread William A Stein
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: > > On 25 Aug 2014 12:19, "Julien Puydt" wrote: > >> I don't understand why people insist on trying to build the windows port >> on windows with cygwin ; it's also possible to cross-build windows ports > I was mainly

Re: [sage-devel] Re: How practical/useful would a native windows subset be?

2014-08-25 Thread William A Stein
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2014-08-25 11:33, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: >> >> I think people been working on it for years and despite a lot of time >> and effort spent on it, it has never been completed. I think there are a >> number of reason

Re: [sage-devel] Finding SAGE_ROOT?

2014-08-21 Thread William A Stein
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Paul Graham wrote: > In trying to setup development for the Sage Notebook, by following the guide > at: http://www.sagemath.org/doc/developer/sagenb/index.html , you first need > to locate the root directory of the Sage installation, SAGE_ROOT . Thats the > part wh

Re: [sage-devel] On scientific computing, Python and Julia

2014-08-21 Thread William A Stein
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Bill Hart wrote: > Julia can already call Python functions (and I don't mean in some > theoretical, technical sense, I mean very practically via an interface > designed explicitly for such). So it's not necessary to "move" Sage from > Python to Julia. Other Scienti

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-cloud-internal] William Stein says "Sage has overall failed"

2014-08-21 Thread William A Stein
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Harald Schilly wrote: > Surprisingly, sometimes Reddit contains actual discussions: > > http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/2e3qla/william_stein_says_sage_has_overall_failed/ I just read through it. It might be one reason that there were over 250 new SageMathC

Re: [sage-devel] On scientific computing, Python and Julia

2014-08-19 Thread William A Stein
On Tuesday, August 19, 2014, Bill Hart wrote: > > > On Thursday, 31 July 2014 06:11:28 UTC+2, rjf wrote: >> >> >> Note that even adding 5 mod 13 and the integer 10 is potentially >> uncomfortable, >> and the rather common operation of Hensel lifting requires doing >> arithmetic in a combinati

Re: [sage-devel] Re: SageMathCloud / closed source / GPL / Spirit of Sage??

2014-08-18 Thread William A Stein
http://sagemath.blogspot.com/2014/08/what-is-sagemathcloud-lets-clear-some.html -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org wst...@uw.edu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe fro

[sage-devel] interact.sagemath.org

2014-08-18 Thread William A Stein
Hi, Andrey Novoseltsev kindly pointed out that interact.sagemath.org is deluged with spam, e.g., http://interact.sagemath.org/node/1194 Can somebody volunteer to deal with this ASAP? Either clean up the spam, or move hosting somewhere else (i'll point DNS their way). I'm afraid UW is likely

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Mailing lists

2014-08-18 Thread William A Stein
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Harald Schilly wrote: > On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:27 PM, William A Stein wrote: >> but it would be clearer if it were "Sage Support Groups (see ... >> Development Groups)" or something like that. Maybe we should add >> links back

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Mailing lists

2014-08-18 Thread William A Stein
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 5:14 AM, Harald Schilly wrote: > > > On Monday, August 18, 2014 2:12:43 PM UTC+2, wstein wrote: >> >> What about all the others? > > > The combinat development list is here, top right > http://sagemath.org/development-groups.html > > Is there another one? I didn't realize

[sage-devel] Sage Mailing lists

2014-08-18 Thread William A Stein
Hi, I wanted to point somebody to the sage combinatorics mailing list, so I went to http://sagemath.org, clicked on "support --> mailing lists", and got this page: http://sagemath.org/help-groups.html Only three mailing lists are listed. What about all the others? Is the page accidentally

Re: [sage-devel] Re: SageMathCloud / closed source / GPL / Spirit of Sage??

2014-08-17 Thread William A Stein
I agree with Harald that this discussion belongs on the sage-flame mailing list: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sage-flame On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: > > I think the whole closed source nature is likely to restrict the takeu

Re: [sage-devel] Integer matrices using FLINT

2014-08-15 Thread William A Stein
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Marc Masdeu wrote: > Hi, > > I have just pushed a new commit that adheres to most of what has been said. > Functionality for William's implementation of some of the high-level > functions, plus for LinBox, Pari, IML, NTL and such is back. Since no-one > from the P

Re: [sage-devel] Integer matrices using FLINT

2014-08-13 Thread William A Stein
On Wednesday, August 13, 2014, Marc Masdeu wrote: > > > On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:17:55 PM UTC+1, Fredrik Johansson wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:06:02 PM UTC+2, wstein wrote: >>> >>> Hi -- Another question. You just deleted this [1] below -- does flint >>> really solidly beat

Re: [sage-devel] Integer matrices using FLINT

2014-08-12 Thread William A Stein
x[6] ); mpz_submul(a,x[2], x[4] ) - mpz_mul(b,x[11],x[13]); mpz_submul(b,x[9], x[15]) - mpz_addmul(r,a,b) - mpz_mul(a,x[1], x[4] ); mpz_submul(a,x[0], x[5] ) - mpz_mul(b,x[11],x[14]); mpz_submul(b,x[10],x[15]) - mpz_addmul(r,a,b) - - mpz_clear(a) - mpz_clear(b) - sig_off() - return 0 On Tue, Aug 1

Re: [sage-devel] Integer matrices using FLINT

2014-08-12 Thread William A Stein
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Martin Albrecht wrote: > Hi, I like the proposal to move some types over to FLINT. However, you removed > some options, e.g. calling Pari, LinBox or IML for solving certain problems > (charpoly, kernel, …). I'd prefer these options to be preserved as it is not > c

Re: [sage-devel] installing optional packages requires running "sage -b"

2014-08-04 Thread William A Stein
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Volker Braun wrote: > (5) have any dependency handling for optional packages. Would switching to that package manager that you recently rewrote help here? > > Really, this thread boils down to: the Sage library depends on some optional > packages. Any kind of hack

Re: [sage-devel] installing optional packages requires running "sage -b"

2014-08-04 Thread William A Stein
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2014-08-04 16:35, Burcin Erocal wrote: >> >> There is one more option: >> >> (4) include the relevant python/cython code in the package, build >> and install it with the package. I like (4) the best, but it requires a significant cha

Re: [sage-devel] installing optional packages requires running "sage -b"

2014-08-04 Thread William A Stein
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2014-08-04 15:17, William A Stein wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I installed Sage-6.3.beta6 on SageMathCloud, then installed a big list >> of optional packages, including cryptominisat.I was surprised when >

[sage-devel] Re: installing optional packages requires running "sage -b"

2014-08-04 Thread William A Stein
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:17 AM, William A Stein wrote: > Hi, > > I installed Sage-6.3.beta6 on SageMathCloud, then installed a big list > of optional packages, including cryptominisat.I was surprised when > the next day a user reported that CryptoMiniSat didn't work, and w

[sage-devel] installing optional packages requires running "sage -b"

2014-08-04 Thread William A Stein
Hi, I installed Sage-6.3.beta6 on SageMathCloud, then installed a big list of optional packages, including cryptominisat.I was surprised when the next day a user reported that CryptoMiniSat didn't work, and when you attempt to use it, you see Run "install_package('cryptominisat')" t

[sage-devel] test message

2014-05-06 Thread William A Stein
Hi, If this works, then posting from @uw.edu addresses works. If not, then we should migrate to another mailing list provider. William -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Changelogs in SPKG.txt

2010-05-25 Thread William A. Stein
On May 25, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > On 5/25/10 2:01 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: >> On May 25, 2010, at 11:50 AM, William Stein wrote: >> > > >>> Having info about patches is a good idea. I'm definitely not >>> convinced SPKG.txt is the right place for it. I would install prop

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Changelogs in SPKG.txt

2010-05-25 Thread William A. Stein
On May 25, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > On 5/25/10 2:01 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: >> On May 25, 2010, at 11:50 AM, William Stein wrote: >> > > >>> Having info about patches is a good idea. I'm definitely not >>> convinced SPKG.txt is the right place for it. I would install prop

Re: [sage-devel] Do 'sympow' and 'palp' build 64-bit on OS X ?

2010-05-23 Thread William A. Stein
On May 23, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > Trying to build Sage on OpenSolaris in 64-bit mode I discovered two packages > which look to me that they don't try to build 64-bit. They don't use the > SAGE64 variable at all and nothing else there suggests that the -m64 flag > ever gets

Re: [sage-devel] Re: icc

2010-05-23 Thread William A. Stein
On May 23, 2010, at 1:12 PM, leif wrote: > On 23 Mai, 21:40, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: >> 'lcalc' had a particularly annoying attempt to cover up warnings from the >> assembler, as it actually caused the build to break on Solaris, as the >> option to >> cover up the warnings was passed directly

Re: [sage-devel] Re: icc

2010-05-23 Thread William A. Stein
On May 23, 2010, at 1:12 PM, leif wrote: > On 23 Mai, 21:40, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: >> 'lcalc' had a particularly annoying attempt to cover up warnings from the >> assembler, as it actually caused the build to break on Solaris, as the >> option to >> cover up the warnings was passed directly

Re: [sage-devel] Re: How can I get and modify Notebook source?

2010-05-11 Thread William A. Stein
On May 11, 2010, at 10:56 AM, kcrisman wrote: > > > On May 11, 11:22 am, Jason Grout wrote: >> On 05/11/2010 01:45 AM, Tim Joseph Dumol wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 5:47 AM, Jason Grout >>> mailto:jason-s...@creativetrax.com>> wrote: >> >>> On 05/10/2010 01:2

Re: [sage-devel] Re: converting complex to float

2010-05-04 Thread William A. Stein
On May 4, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Jason Grout wrote: > On 05/04/2010 10:30 AM, William A. Stein wrote: > >> I think I wrote the original code for this, and I am ok with the change >> you suggest, since our policy on explicit coercions is to make them work >> when they

Re: [sage-devel] converting complex to float

2010-05-04 Thread William A. Stein
On May 4, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Jason Grout wrote: > Right now, we have the following behavior: > > sage: float(CC(1.0)) > 1.0 > > > sage: float(CDF(1.0)) > --- > TypeError Traceback (most r

[sage-devel] Re: Embedded SVG editor in the notebook?

2009-09-03 Thread William A. Stein
On Sep 3, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Pat LeSmithe wrote: > > I noticed SVG-edit, a Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) editor that works > entirely in capable browsers [1]: > > http://code.google.com/p/svg-edit/ > > Stable and beta demos: > > http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn/tags/stable/editor/svg-editor.h

[sage-devel] Re: Organizing Sage worksheets: tags or categories?

2009-09-03 Thread William A. Stein
On Sep 3, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Brian Granger wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any way of organizing worksheets on a Sage notebook > server? If you have many worksheets, it can be difficult to find them > and it would be nice to be able to organize them using tags, > categories or folders. One exampl

[sage-devel] Re: symbolic variable treated as sqrt(-1) when it shouldn't be

2009-09-03 Thread William A. Stein
On Sep 3, 2009, at 12:49 PM, kcrisman wrote: > > > > On Sep 3, 2:28 pm, William Stein wrote: >> Hi Sage-Devel, >> >> What do you think of this: >> >> sage: var('x, i') >> sage: solve(x^2 + i == 0, x) >> [x == -sqrt(-I), x == sqrt(-I)] >> >> Basically, I make a purely symbolic variable which I h

[sage-devel] Re: back ticks versus $ signs

2009-09-03 Thread William A. Stein
On Sep 3, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Ondrej Certik wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:09 PM, William Stein > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I've been spending the last few days going between writing a lot of >> code with very math heavy Sphinx docstrings containing many >> backticks, >> and writing LaTeX

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