RE: ShopTalk: SST Pured

2009-07-10 Thread Tom Wishon
Robert: The USGA says no such thing. The USGA's position is that shafts can be analyzed and oriented so that they will play as if they were made to have similar bending properties in all directions. They also state that a shaft cannot be oriented so as to intentionally create a specific type

RE: ShopTalk: SST Pured

2009-07-10 Thread Tom Flanagan
No, not a Sharpie. A crayon. As long as the customer thinks he has an accurately spined shaft he's happy. In fact, why even bother finding the spine? Just put a label on the shaft under a "spined" mark: "Spined by TFlan's Custom Golf Shop". Who can really tell the difference? TFlan "Th

Re: ShopTalk: SST Pured

2009-07-10 Thread Robert Devino
You know personally I spine all clubs I make unless asked for logo up or down. When I was at Hotstix I personally Pured over 100 shafts. Most of those shafts were expensive graphite models for drivers and woods. we had several customers come back and ask us to spine and flow shafts that we ha

Re: ShopTalk: SST Pured

2009-07-10 Thread Dave Tutelman
Robert (and others who may be interested): I have articles on FLO (not flow) and spine at: http://www.tutelman.com/golf/shafts/FLOphysics.php http://www.tutelman.com/golf/shafts/allAboutSpines.php They contain a lot more than just your questions -- a LOT more. But let me take a shot at the short

Re: ShopTalk: SST Pured

2009-07-10 Thread Allen Humphrey
I for one, after I think I've located FLO, I shoot the FLO mark with a stationary laser...mark it on the shaft...and install it in the head on the lasered markI agreeit may not be dead nutz on to 0*, but it's very very close. When the epoxy sets, I check FLO again, with a small laser att

Re: ShopTalk: SST Pured

2009-07-10 Thread Alan Brooks
Hi Robert, Too many tend to think of "bending" in the static sense. Because swinging a club is a very dynamic process you have to consider the dynamic aspects of club behavior. Consider a very simple model of club dynamics and consider two planes; the first being the swing plane, call it SP

Re: ShopTalk: SST Pured

2009-07-10 Thread Roy Nix
Tom Flanagan wrote: I don't know if you were on this forum during the times Prof Tutelman and me and others had a back and forth on the subject of spining/puring. It was one of the few times Dr. T and I agreed on anything . Most of the "old timers" here had considerable input on the subject.

RE: ShopTalk: SST Pured

2009-07-10 Thread Don M
I don't know, but I've built plenty of clubs that FLO'd when done.  And some that didn't.  And I did not take them apart to try to correct it.  :)   -Don M --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Tom Flanagan wrote: From: Tom Flanagan Subject: RE: ShopTalk: SST Pured To: "shoptalk" Date: Friday, July 10, 2009,

RE: ShopTalk: SST Pured

2009-07-10 Thread Tom Flanagan
I don't know if you were on this forum during the times Prof Tutelman and me and others had a back and forth on the subject of spining/puring. It was one of the few times Dr. T and I agreed on anything . Most of the "old timers" here had considerable input on the subject. We beat it to death, I

Re: ShopTalk: SST Pured

2009-07-10 Thread Don M
My own opinion is yes, floing *can* make a difference. This is just my observations, mostly with my own swing since I know it. But I think the difference is usually subtle and probably often nothing. If I am making clubs for someone who truly cares about their game and can feel the difference

Re: ShopTalk: SST Pured

2009-07-10 Thread Don M
I don't think it costs $50. Maybe if done on an already built club that has to be taken apart. I'm pretty sure it's less than $20. But otherwise I agree that I won't be spending any more money on it. -Don M --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Robert Devino wrote: > From: Robert Devino > Subject: Re: Sh

Re: ShopTalk: SST Pured

2009-07-10 Thread Robert Devino
Don is right about the flowing. we had plenty of shafts that after being Pured would almost go in circles when you went to frequency them. Here is a question. Does flowing really, I mean really make a difference? When you flow a shaft your only checking to see that it moves consistently throu

Re: ShopTalk: SST Pured

2009-07-10 Thread Robert Devino
I have to comment about what a waste of money Puring is. When I worked at HotStix all my shafts were Pured and I didn't see any difference in ball flight or consistency. It's a cool concept but in reality as long as a human being is involved it's not going to be as accurate as you might think.

Re: ShopTalk: SST Pured

2009-07-10 Thread Don M
The grading is before puring, I assume? I had some pured Rifle graphites but I forget what info was provided. Those that I bought did not all FLO on the pured line. I ended up doing my own FLO-ing. As far as consistent grade shafts that FLO easily, I tend to like UST. -Don M --- On Fri,

ShopTalk: SST Pured

2009-07-10 Thread jhm
I had two shafts SST pured by Golf works. One expensive shaft one mid priced and both were "grade b". Is grade b about the best you've found or are some grade a? If so, which were grade a? -- Thanks! John Muir shoptalk http://clubmaker-online.com http://gripscience.com http://thedriverstudio.c