;t hit the ball very far,
hell, they can see it anyway.
I need help :>) df
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From: "GEORGE HUSON" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Integra head
> Hi Ed,
>
Hey RK,
I love clubmakers -- especially all these guys on shop talk. One thing about us -- right or wrong, we keep on keeping on. MyKey never knows when to shut up for sure.
I even got my all American buddy Al T dodging bullets for me now. That was probably all right in the old days when I had so
of like if the boss stops real quick you're going
to have to get your nose out of his butt.
RK
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From:
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Date: Monday, June 16, 2003 11:00:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Integra head
Mykey,
I love ya like a brother but
16, 2003 11:00:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Integra head
Mykey,I love ya like a brother but you apparently have offended the Big Guy by busting one of his friends. When he sends the bolt of lightening down on your bald head, I want to be far enough away so as to not feel t
Mykey,
I love ya like a brother but you apparently have offended the Big Guy by
busting one of his friends. When he sends the bolt of lightening
down on your bald head, I want to be far enough away so as to not feel
the buzz. You are on your own pal. ;-)
Al
Ps. You sure pegged Bill pretty good
Title: Re: ShopTalk: Integra head
oh yeah? I bet Arnie could beat up Bill, though...give me a break
and lighten up, Mookie.
On a serious note, I noticed you've given up the handle
"Clubmaker to the Stars". Can I steal that? Please?
John "my dad can beat up your dad" Mui
My name's Dave, so I guess I can respond. :-)
As little as I like the USGA, I'm certain the Futura would have been
approved. Two arguments that it would have...
(1) Appendix II of the rule that defines "plain is shape" includes the
sentence, "Exceptions may be made for putters." The sentence sp
e largest Cameron internet 'group'
(Yahoo SCFC), could not obtain any information as to how or why the R&A reversed their
ruling on the potato masher.
Pat K
>
> From: "John Kaufman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/06/16 Mon AM 08:27:37 EDT
> To: <[EMAIL PRO
Hi Dave,
I got to thinking about your note that the Bullet Point Driver
of George Archer was non conforming because it was not "plain in shape".
If the Futura putter had been submitted to the USGA by the Acme Golf Club and
Screen Door Company do you think it would have been approved?
Che
Hey Admiral Al,
Gosh - Gee - Heck, I stirred up a hornets nest huh? Will you tell these guys that Bill Abbott is not only still my friend but an excellent clubmaker. Bill was the - I think 2000 - 2001 GCA (Golfsmith) clubmaker of the year. Actually, he made it the last year before GS went to their
Not to mention experienced clubmakers with problems they haven't run
into before!
The advice re: sizing the Integra Turf Riders was right on.
He just kills them, and that result is turning into a sale of a new set
of KZG irons!
Thanks Arnie!
I was going to send a personal note but this is a per
Title: Re: ShopTalk: Integra head
Arnie forgot to mention "help out newbie clubmakers",
too.
He sends a LOT of personal notes to folks to help them out with
questions they might have.
I've seen him in action at his retail storefront and the only
thing that wasn't true was
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, June 14, 2003 9:27:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Integra head
Hey Admiral Al,
I don't know this guy but anyone who can do that much club work in two weeks with next day delivery certainly deserves to be considered for the "Bill Ab
Hm, now you do have a point. Not bad for an ol phart.
Good job MYKEY!!
At 09:25 PM 6/14/2003, you wrote:
Hey Admiral Al,
I don't know this guy but anyone who can do that much club work in two
weeks with next day delivery certainly deserves to be considered for the
"Bill Abbott" lifetime lo
In a message dated 6/14/03 9:46:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know this guy but anyone who can do that much club work in two weeks with next day delivery certainly deserves to be considered for the "Bill Abbott" lifetime look alike award. What say!!
I don't know
Boy are you a trouble maker. Poor "OLD" Bill hasn't hurt anybody (this week at least) but hell we still have a few hours left.
RK
---Original Message---
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, June 14, 2003 9:27:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Sh
Hey Admiral Al,
I don't know this guy but anyone who can do that much club work in two weeks with next day delivery certainly deserves to be considered for the "Bill Abbott" lifetime look alike award. What say!!
Inkind,
MyKey
In a message dated 6/14/03 12:02:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Arnie is rising up the Curmudgeon of the Year charts with this one :-) ... I really don't think it's wrong to expect a dealer or distributor to provide a copy of a letter like this. The reality is -- if it's n
eve Fritz
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 2:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Integra head
In a message dated 6/13/03 2:30:22 AM
Eastern Daylight
Arnie
is rising up the Curmudgeon of the Year charts with this one :-) ... I really
don't think it's wrong to expect a dealer or distributor to provide a copy of a
letter like this. The reality is -- if it's not on the non-conforming list, it's
conforming.
Regarding the rest of the rant --
Hi George
When you have the evidence in hand that the head is indeed conforming,
the local pro will tell fewer people than he told when he questioned its
legal status.
Trashing your high performance made clubs has been good for his business.
Thanks Harry S
www.Golf54.com
--- GEORGE HUSON <[EMAIL P
In a message dated 6/13/03 2:30:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You can verify this by looking at the Bang-O-Matic which has been deemed
non-conforming because of dimensional restrictions which were exceeded
When you submit a head to USGA for testing the results of the rep
Jen Kuntz said:
> With all the responses to this, I would think that is the best way - to
> put the burden on the manufacturer to get proof that is conforms.
> Everything is non-conforming until is passes the test as conforming.
Keep in mind that the current list only lists clubs which are
non-con
In a message dated 6/12/2003 8:32:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Arnie You get me wrong (thats bad English)
I dont know for sure if they do or do no.t conform if they havent been tested The Only way to find out if they have been tested and found to conform is to get pro
On Thu June 12 2003 08:30 am, Jen Kuntz wrote:
> Where is the burden of proof - on the USGA or Manufacturer? Are heads
> deemed to be conforming until they are proved non-conforming via testing
> or are heads deemed not to conform until they pass tests? Guilty until
> proven innocent or innoce
In a message dated 6/12/03 4:26:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Arniesclubs writes:
Only way to find out if they have been tested and found to conform is to get proof from the supplier as the USGA won't publish a list of those tested and found to comply.
There is no charge for testing a head at
With all the responses to this, I would think that is the best way - to
put the burden on the manufacturer to get proof that is conforms.
Everything is non-conforming until is passes the test as conforming.
It seems to me that would eliminate the "it wasn't submitted for
testing therefore it
Jen and all,
The way Dan,(at Diamond Tour) tells me is they
don't list as legal until they've been tested and
approved(whatever the term is).
Carl
--- Jen Kuntz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Where is the burden of proof - on the USGA or
> Manufacturer? Are heads
> deemed to be conforming until t
In a message dated 6/12/2003 10:27:50 AM Hawaiian Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Let me try again. The USGA has a list on their website of NON COMPLIANT clubs. If the club in question is not on the list it IS COMPLIANT.
Please correct me if I'm wrong about this. I don't want to come o
At 11:37 AM 6/12/03 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It behooves a manufacturer to submit their head for testing. A non
conforming sticker can be a positive sales tool in some circles, in others
it is the kiss of death. In the situation being discussed I would suggest
that the all knowing challen
In a message dated 6/12/03 11:32:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Only way to find out if they have been tested and found to conform is to get proof from the supplier as the USGA won't publish a list of those tested and found to comply.
Let me try again. The USGA has a l
In a message dated 6/12/03 10:31:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
innocent until proven guilty
It behooves a manufacturer to submit their head for testing. A non conforming sticker can be a positive sales tool in some circles, in others it is the kiss of death. In the situa
In a message dated 6/12/03 10:52:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I left out a 'p' in 'simple'
That's O.K. it's like the extra wrap of masking tape under an arthritic grip. Nobody can feel it!
Arnie You get me wrong (thats bad English)
I dont know for sure if they do or do no.t conform if they havent
been tested The Only way to find out if they have been tested and found
to conform is to get proof from the supplier as the USGA won't publish
a list of those tested and found to comply
folks who actually KNOW how to run
tournaments. This rule (whether it applies to COR or any other aspect of club
conformance) should be a non-issue.
Pat K
>
> From: Jeremy Ingle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/06/12 Thu AM 09:40:16 EDT
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re:
I left out a 'p' in 'simple'.
Sorry.
>
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/06/12 Thu AM 10:49:51 EDT
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Re: ShopTalk: Integra head
>
> I'm not understanding this discussion for some re
Where is the burden of proof - on the USGA or Manufacturer? Are heads
deemed to be conforming until they are proved non-conforming via
testing or are heads deemed not to conform until they pass tests?
Guilty until proven innocent or innocent until proven guilty?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In
In a message dated 6/12/03 9:39:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My reason for this was that there were heads out there that did NOT
conform but did not show up in the list as they had NOT been tested!
If the heads were not tested, how do you know that they do not confor
In a message dated 6/12/03 7:18:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This guy is saying that just because it is not listed,
does not make it legal
USGA list is for NON compliant heads. Not non compliant means it is compliant and therefore not on the non compliant list.
Hi everyone When the USGA introduced the COR limitation Test I tried
to persuade them to publish a list of the clubs and /or heads that they
had tested and conformed as well as those that did NOT conform.
My reason for this was that there were heads out there that did NOT
conform but did not sh
Thanks Carl,
I'll call Dan this morning
George
--- Carl McKinley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> George,
>
> Contact Dan at Diamond Tour Golf. I know they had
> it tested and Dan may have some info that can
> help you. If you have trouble reaching Dan let me
> know.
>
> Carl
>
>
> --- GEORGE HUS
George,
Contact Dan at Diamond Tour Golf. I know they had
it tested and Dan may have some info that can
help you. If you have trouble reaching Dan let me
know.
Carl
--- GEORGE HUSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Ed,
> Yes the 400cc head is the one that is
> non-conforming.
> That is the one
Hi Ed,
Yes the 400cc head is the one that is non-conforming.
That is the one listed on the USGA web site.
My problem is I have a local tourny guy giving
one of my customers a hard time about the head.
This guy is saying that just because it is not listed,
does not make it legal. My cus
In a message dated 6/11/03 7:50:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The only thing you should be worried about is
whether it is on the USGA non-conforming list.
Go to USGA website for list of nonconforming heads. If it does not come up contact USGA to have it sent to you. The
George,
Are you interested in whether the Integra 450 Beta Ti head is
legal or not? The only thing you should be worried about is
whether it is on the USGA non-conforming list.
About that same time Integra had a non-conforming head, the 400cc
10.5 degree model.
Or is there another question?
/Ed
I know last year or maybe the year before, someone did some research on
the Integra 450 Beta Ti head, maybe Bernie, I remember we got an e-mail
from one of the component companies that had a letter from USGA saying
the head was legal. Archives and can't find anything on it. I checked
USGA and the
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