Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-05-08 Thread .
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Zainab Bawa bawazaina...@gmail.com wrote: Can you point out where Arvind has made this statement? I am keen to know. In an interview on one of the news channels i was surfing across, which is still hearsay. to PWC and the Bank's meddling in appointing PWC,

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-05-04 Thread Zainab Bawa
Dear . Would be interests, etcg to know which cases these are. Yes indeed. Atleast Kejriwal was honest enough to admit that he had not expected the misuse of the Act nor the delays within the system. Can you point out where Arvind has made this statement? I am keen to know. Arvind himself

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Madhu Menon
Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: 2009/4/28 Venkat Mangudi s...@venkatmangudi.com 5 bucks per day? No wonder they don't care. I am fairly certain they can cover the fine and more with the kickbacks they earn. RTI fine is a joke. Venkat, that is Rs 5 per day per pending application. It piles up

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Zainab Bawa
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Venkat Mangudi's Silk Account s...@venkatmangudi.com wrote: Agreed, it is Rs 5/day/application. If it was 10x it might make a small difference. Rs 5 ia too paltry a sum for them to scare them to action. They probably earn 1000x as cutbacks. Sorry, but my

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Zainab Bawa
As somebody who had to shell out Rs. 1.75 Lakhs in bribes just to get a trade licence for his restaurant, trust me that Rs. 5 per day, even per application, is peanuts. Now imagine the bribe amount multiplied by the number of licences issued. How many such licenses do get issued any way,

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread .
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Zainab Bawa bawazaina...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] circumstances. Also, lower level officers tend to get fined more often than the higher level bureaucrats and this could mean a lot not only in monetary terms, but also bringing them under the ire and fire of

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread .
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Venkat Mangudi s...@venkatmangudi.com wrote: . wrote: 5 bucks per day? No wonder they don't care. I am fairly certain they can cover the fine and more with the kickbacks they earn. RTI

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Badri Natarajan
I also hear Zainab's statement a bout frivolous pleas and such. But the act is a law and everyone has to abide by it or amend it. That is the most interesting thing about laws. They have fantastic unintended consequences, as do regulations. This does not mean that I am advocating people

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Badri Natarajan
hah, the case would take years to be heard, another few years to get a judgement, and so on... take the Mumbai 26/11 terrorism case where despite the evidence, Kasab's lawyer is trying to pass him off as a juvenile, Who is to blame for the frivolousness being indulged in, while a

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Badri Natarajan wrote: Take it from me that it is not easy and is a vast amount of work - the simplest and easiest sounding questions can be incredibly hard (and time consuming) to answer. If it is hard and time consuming, does it mean that we (or our elected representatives) agreed to

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread .
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Badri Natarajan asi...@vsnl.com wrote: What's the problem? It's the lawyer's duty to defend him to the best of his/her ability (wasn't the woman who was initially appointed forced to stand down because of a conflict?) within the law. She isn't allowed to put

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Badri Natarajan
Badri Natarajan wrote: Take it from me that it is not easy and is a vast amount of work - the simplest and easiest sounding questions can be incredibly hard (and time consuming) to answer. If it is hard and time consuming, does it mean that we (or our elected representatives) agreed to

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Udhay Shankar N
. wrote, [on 4/29/2009 9:25 PM]: What's the problem? It's the lawyer's duty to defend him to the best of his/her ability (wasn't the woman who was initially appointed forced to stand down because of a conflict?) within the law. She isn't allowed to put forward arguments that she knows (note:

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Gautam John
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:25 PM, . svaks...@gmail.com wrote: As for terrorist enjoys state hospitality at taxpayer expense, I don't know where to begin. Then dont !! A rope and the nearest tree! Due process be damned! -- Please read our new blog at: http://blog.prathambooks.org

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Badri Natarajan wrote: I really don't know much about RTI in India, but I suspect that the issues But you are sure that it is hard and time consuming? are more around lack of funding and resources on the government and not so much the provisions of the Act. I mean, just because it is hard

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Badri Natarajan wrote: jail shouting slogans - you'll probably draw enough people to create a mob quite quickly and you can go in and take him out, along with the last As opposed to the people from whom we are protecting him by assiging extremely tight security? shreds of the rule of law in

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Badri Natarajan
Badri Natarajan wrote: I really don't know much about RTI in India, but I suspect that the issues But you are sure that it is hard and time consuming? Oh yes. The discovery process in litigation basically involves each party in the case sending requests like RTI requests to each other for

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Gautam John
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Venkat Mangudi s...@venkatmangudi.com wrote: These laws are going to find him guilty and hang him. Maybe they will find out some more about the terrorist network. But those chaps already know he is in jail and if they are as good as planning a 9/11 and 26/11,

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Badri Natarajan
Badri Natarajan wrote: jail shouting slogans - you'll probably draw enough people to create a mob quite quickly and you can go in and take him out, along with the last As opposed to the people from whom we are protecting him by assiging extremely tight security? I genuinely don't

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Badri Natarajan wrote: I genuinely don't understand what you mean by this bit. Apparently, there are people trying to kill him. And not just Indian extremists.

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Badri Natarajan
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: Perhaps you missed the second parenthetical bit that Badri wrote above? No, I didnt. That our courts are a lot more tolerant towards those who indulge in perjury is the disturbing part. Do you have any evidence at all

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread .
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: No, I didnt. That our courts are a lot more tolerant towards those who indulge in perjury is the disturbing part. Er...you *are* aware that the definition of perjury hinges on know and not suspect, yes? Do you mean the

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread .
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Badri Natarajan asi...@vsnl.com wrote: No, I didnt. That our courts are a lot more tolerant towards those who indulge in perjury is the disturbing part. Do you have any evidence at all to support this? Or if not, if you can ad hominem? have you ever

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Badri Natarajan
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: No, I didnt. That our courts are a lot more tolerant towards those who indulge in perjury is the disturbing part. Er...you *are* aware that the definition of perjury hinges on know and not suspect, yes? Do you mean

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Badri Natarajan
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Badri Natarajan asi...@vsnl.com wrote: No, I didnt. That our courts are a lot more tolerant towards those who indulge in perjury is the disturbing part. Do you have any evidence at all to support this? Or if not, if you can ad hominem? have you ever

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Pranesh Prakash
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 23:44, . svaks...@gmail.com wrote: If his earlier confession[0] isn't invalid how is this not perjury? I'm curious. [0] http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=enart=15109 Swati Sathe, Jail superintendent said when he was admitted to the prison, Kasab gave his age as 21

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-29 Thread Badri Natarajan
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Badri Natarajan asi...@vsnl.com wrote: How is my question ad hominem? You made an unsupported assertion and I Unsupported assertion? In the 26/11 case? I never said Kasab should not get a lawyer or get a fair trial or that perjury was committed in the 26/11

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-28 Thread Venkat Mangudi
. wrote: ** iirc, Kejriwal said the IC is empowered to fine the officer 5 bucks per day beyond the mandatory 30 days. In some cases this has turned into a 3 year window. 5 bucks per day? No wonder they don't care. I am fairly certain they can cover the fine and more with the kickbacks they

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-28 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Venkat Mangudi s...@venkatmangudi.com wrote: . wrote: 5 bucks per day? No wonder they don't care. I am fairly certain they can cover the fine and more with the kickbacks they earn. RTI fine is a joke. Most fines in our country ARE a joke; it's an added

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-28 Thread Zainab Bawa
In a recent interview I heard Arvind Kejriwal opine that the RTI has too many backlog cases and the Information Commission which is supposed to fine the officers does not bother to implement this fine/action**, thereby pushing the RTI towards its slow and imminent death. The information

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-28 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
2009/4/28 Venkat Mangudi s...@venkatmangudi.com 5 bucks per day? No wonder they don't care. I am fairly certain they can cover the fine and more with the kickbacks they earn. RTI fine is a joke. Venkat, that is Rs 5 per day per pending application. It piles up quickly.

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-28 Thread Venkat Mangudi's Silk Account
Agreed, it is Rs 5/day/application. If it was 10x it might make a small difference. Rs 5 ia too paltry a sum for them to scare them to action. They probably earn 1000x as cutbacks. Sorry, but my opinion is not very high. I also hear Zainab's statement a bout frivolous pleas and such. But the act

[silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-27 Thread Bharat Shetty
Hello, Does anybody know where I can find more resources that give copious, reliable and accurate information about the development being taken in all states. Something like the Outlook magazine's reports recently on the development taken by each politician in their own constituency ?

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-27 Thread Zainab Bawa
Does anybody know where I can find more resources that give copious, reliable and accurate information about the development being taken in all states. Outlook, or rather the Satark Nagarik Sanghatana (SNS), has provided information about way in which each MP has spent the discretionary funds

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-27 Thread Bharat Shetty
Zainab, Thanks for the quick information :-) -- Bharat On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Zainab Bawa bawazaina...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody know where I can find more resources that give copious, reliable and accurate information about the development being taken in all states.

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-27 Thread Zainab Bawa
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Bharat Shetty bharat.she...@gmail.comwrote: Zainab, Thanks for the quick information :-) -- Bharat The other means to find state assembly constituency development profiles is to gather data from NSSO about population statistics, and about education

Re: [silk] Statistics on development taken by politicos

2009-04-27 Thread .
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Zainab Bawa bawazaina...@gmail.com wrote: For similar information on MLAs, you have to file RTI applications with In a recent interview I heard Arvind Kejriwal opine that the RTI has too many backlog cases and the Information Commission which is supposed to fine