Re: [SLUG] Mailing list quiet

2000-11-29 Thread Dan Treacy
> Is this mailing list been quiet the last few days or am I the only one > having difficulties? Far from it. with this Linux "ease of use" thread the list has been more active than I've seen it for a while. particualrly with regard to range of participants. Even raster's come out of lurk :-) and

Re: [SLUG] Light pro use for talk

2000-11-29 Thread Craige McWhirter
I don't know that model particularly but in my experience they have always been straight VGA cables. You just switch video modes on your laptop and voila, your giving a presentation. On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:09:09 Mehmet Yousouf wrote: > Hi, > I have to give a talk and I will be using a notebook f

Re: [SLUG] Light pro use for talk

2000-11-29 Thread Michael Still
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Mehmet Yousouf wrote: > Hi, > I have to give a talk and I will be using a notebook for presentation, > apparently they have something called "light pro" projectors. Can anyone > tell me how this works? i.e. what cabling, any special resolution settings > .. any software etc.

Re: [SLUG] Books for beginners

2000-11-29 Thread Dan Treacy
> Dear Slugsters, > > Hay you slugsters, > > What would be the best book(s) to aquire for a beginner who > is interested in starting a career with Linux and Linux related > systems ? > A net connection, printer and www.linuxdoc.org :-) Dan. Oh.. and a few printer cartridges and plenty of t

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Dan Treacy
> > Where's Word??? :-) Or even Notepad??? > > Foot, applications, gnotepad - foot, applications, abiword > > ok it's probably not all that obvious if you've never used a computer, > but finding the same on windows or macos would be just as difficult Granted, but the advantage windows have is t

[SLUG] Light pro use for talk

2000-11-29 Thread Mehmet Yousouf
Hi, I have to give a talk and I will be using a notebook for presentation, apparently they have something called "light pro" projectors. Can anyone tell me how this works? i.e. what cabling, any special resolution settings .. any software etc. Any help and or advice would be greatly appreciated

RE: [SLUG] Books for beginners

2000-11-29 Thread Marty
> > www.dymocks.com.au seem pretty resonable when ordering books online. > www.woodslane.com.au is another good one for online orders... they are the Australian publishers for O'Reilly/IDG and heaps of others. Cheers, Marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.

RE: [SLUG] Books for beginners

2000-11-29 Thread Alister Waller
Antoni, I find a few books very useful. Redhat Linux Bible - IDG Books Linux in a Nutshell 3rd edition - O'reilly Linux Network Administrators Guide 2nd edition - O'reilly I also find Linuxdoc.org a wonderful resource. I have Linux Network Printing - O'reilly, turning up tomorrow so can't co

Re: Balsa [Was: Re: [SLUG] NOT the /. thread]

2000-11-29 Thread Craige McWhirter
Let's just hope it's IMAP support is more stable than it is in 0.8.1. Every second copy to an IMAP folder causes Balsa to crash. They'd want to get that fixed before they went 1.0 - it will also help me keep out of the Mozilla M18 mailer :) Do you mind sharing a few thoughts on Balsa 1.0 when you

Re: Balsa [Was: Re: [SLUG] NOT the /. thread]

2000-11-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
> There's a Balsa 1? It's not in unstable yet though, or is this something > your cooking at home? > > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:21:27 Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > lazarus: ~/src/gnome/balsa-1.0.0 Hahahahaha... I wondered what the hell you were on about for a minute there. Yes, Balsa 1.0 has been re

[SLUG] Re: NOT the /. thread

2000-11-29 Thread Angus Lees
\begin{David} > There is all this jargon that you guys throw around with gay > abandon. the indented blocks below are from the "free online dictionary of computing" (there's probably a web page somewhere, i'm just using the "dict" command) > What the hell is a wrapper? (fantales?)... wrapper

Balsa [Was: Re: [SLUG] NOT the /. thread]

2000-11-29 Thread Craige McWhirter
There's a Balsa 1? It's not in unstable yet though, or is this something your cooking at home? On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:21:27 Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > There is all this jargon that you guys throw around with gay abandon. What > > the hell is a wrapper? (fantales?)... what are curses? (dumb quest

Re: [SLUG] BAckspace under X

2000-11-29 Thread Alex Salmon
hi i hope this works in X type xmodmap -e "keycode 22 = BackSpace" then it should work.. if it does then good but next time u start X it probly wont again.. if this is the case either edit ur keymap manually or put the command in ur .bashrc --- works on deb anyway alex On Thu, 30 Nov 2000,

[SLUG] Debian - Apt-get in the Press

2000-11-29 Thread Craige McWhirter
December Linux Journal just arrived on my desk and low and behold, there's a nifty 5 page article on the joys of Apt (GNOME Apt looks nifty) along with a 2 page reveiw of the entire distribution (hh?). Talk about timing :) -- Cheers, Craige. -- Apt-g

Re: [SLUG] NOT the /. thread

2000-11-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
> There is all this jargon that you guys throw around with gay abandon. What > the hell is a wrapper? (fantales?)... what are curses? (dumb question?) > ... and lets not even *start* on acronyms You need dict! lazarus: ~/src/gnome/balsa-1.0.0 $ dict pcmcia 1 definition found >From The

Re: [SLUG] Books for beginners

2000-11-29 Thread Craige McWhirter
The O'Rielly book "Running Linux" seems to win the readers choice awards each year. I haven't read it (we have a copy here at work though) so I can't "recommend" it but it appears to be a good start. On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:52:50 Antoni wrote: > Dear Slugsters, > > Hay you slugsters, > > What w

Re: [SLUG] NOT the /. thread

2000-11-29 Thread Craige McWhirter
Have you got any books to get you started? When I started out I read "RedHat Linux Unleashed" and as someone who had never seen Unix before it helped immensely - I now make a living from it ;) but that was about 6 years ago. One book that keeps winning readers choice awards is the O'Rielly book "

RE: [SLUG] Mailing list quiet

2000-11-29 Thread Marty
you're the only one, SLUGs not quiet here at all. Cheers, Marty On Thursday, November 30, 2000 4:58 PM, Marshall, Joshua [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > Is this mailing list been quiet the last few days or am I the only one > having difficulties? > > > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group

Re: [SLUG] NOT the /. thread

2000-11-29 Thread John Ryland
Try the Jargon file http://www.jargon.org/ http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/ Regards John On Thursday 30 November 2000 15:49, David wrote: > OK... so now I know that it's lots easier to use Linux than I thought.. > > There is all this jargon that you guys throw around with gay abandon. What >

[SLUG] Mailing list quiet

2000-11-29 Thread Marshall, Joshua
Is this mailing list been quiet the last few days or am I the only one having difficulties? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug

[SLUG] Books for beginners

2000-11-29 Thread Antoni
Dear Slugsters, Hay you slugsters, What would be the best book(s) to aquire for a beginner who is interested in starting a career with Linux and Linux related systems ? Kind regards Antoni -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.a

[SLUG] NOT the /. thread

2000-11-29 Thread David
OK... so now I know that it's lots easier to use Linux than I thought.. There is all this jargon that you guys throw around with gay abandon. What the hell is a wrapper? (fantales?)... what are curses? (dumb question?) ... and lets not even *start* on acronyms Is there a resource for someo

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Nicholas Wilcox
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Rick Welykochy wrote: > I cannot get over the mass impression that people are somehow > born with built-in knowledge of using a WIMP interface like > Window or Mac. Nothing could be farther from the truth. This impression > has arisen simply from over-exposure to that one med

[SLUG] Speaking of ISP - Realms on Zip

2000-11-29 Thread Terry Collins
Has anyone made the change to "realms" on zip and had any trouble? My chat part seems to be getting just garbage after login and doesn't pass over to ppp part, so I thought I'd ask Slug to save re-inventing the wheel if someone else has already been through this. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(

[SLUG] Long awaited Kylix is nearly here

2000-11-29 Thread Rick Welykochy
Kylix == Delphi for Linux is nearly hear. Rumoured to be shipping in Q1. Here is a presentation on this RAD tool: http://www.drbob42.com/kylix/index.htm And here is a home page for Kylix. http://www.drbob42.com/kylix/home.htm My predication: Kylix will kick ass :) -rickw -- Rick Wely

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Ken Yap
>She shouldn't. But no-one is born with the ability to use these >beasties. No matter whether it's shell commands, using morphing tools Well this supports Dan's point about post install training. I think you are in the minority over WIMPs where *ordinary people* are concerned though. I like CLIs

[SLUG] Re: dnsdomainname

2000-11-29 Thread Angus Lees
\begin{John Ferlito} > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:36:21PM +1100, John Ferlito wrote: > > OK this is driving me crazy. I've fixed it once before but can't > > remember how. I have a debian box and if you run dnsdomainname it just > > returns nothing instead of printing out the domain. Where on eart

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Rick Welykochy
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Ken Yap wrote: > >Anyone can be trained to use WIMP. Anybody can be taught to > >use a shell. Anyone can type in a command. They just have to be > >taught. > > Yeah sure we can train you to add up rows of numbers, but do you want > to? > > Now if you are talking staff who u

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Ken Yap
>Anyone can be trained to use WIMP. Anybody can be taught to >use a shell. Anyone can type in a command. They just have to be >taught. Yeah sure we can train you to add up rows of numbers, but do you want to? Now if you are talking staff who use computers, maybe they should learn more than WIMPs

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Rick Welykochy
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, enterfornone wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 12:34:07PM +1100, Dan Treacy wrote: > > > > Where's Word??? :-) Or even Notepad??? > > Foot, applications, gnotepad - foot, applications, abiword > > ok it's probably not all that obvious if you've never used a computer, > but

[SLUG] Re: DNS problem after upgrade to woody

2000-11-29 Thread Russell Davies
; After upgrading, I am unable to connect to mailserver with fetchmail, ; to remore hosts with apt, telnet, ssh, irc, lynx or mozilla. Messages ; are: unable to resolve host... something wicked happened... domain ; name could not be confirmed... it appears that there is a problem with ; DNS an

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread enterfornone
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 12:34:07PM +1100, Dan Treacy wrote: > > Where's Word??? :-) Or even Notepad??? Foot, applications, gnotepad - foot, applications, abiword ok it's probably not all that obvious if you've never used a computer, but finding the same on windows or macos would be just as dif

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread enterfornone
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 11:26:55AM +1100, DaZZa wrote: > I don't even know how to tell if mine is running accelerated under 3.3.6. > :) > > Not that I really care - it works, runs at 1600x1200 in 32 bpp mode, and > I can live with that. :-) download the demo of quake3 or soldier of fortune. if

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Dean Hamstead
Mus bash raster =) > i've had to read many.. like man pages for dhcpd which chanegdc config > file formats.. and if i wasnt so familiar with X and nvidia i'd have > spent a god extra few days getting X up.. but i've done it before so > many times i can roll my own xf86config off the top of my hea

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
> But Im worried when people say "linux must become more simple" "linux must > be easier to use" if it wants to get on the desktop, as if being on the > desktop is a conquest. These are red herrings. "Simple" and "easier to use" are incalculable metrics, as every person is different, and ever

Re: [SLUG] dnsdomainname

2000-11-29 Thread Dean Hamstead
hostname this value is also stored in /etc/HOSTNAME and often in /etc/sysconf/network Dean John Ferlito wrote: > > OK this is driving me crazy. I've fixed it once before but can't > remember how. I have a debian box and if you run dnsdomainname it just > returns nothing instead of pri

Re: [SLUG] dnsdomainname

2000-11-29 Thread John Ferlito
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:36:21PM +1100, John Ferlito wrote: > OK this is driving me crazy. I've fixed it once before but can't > remember how. I have a debian box and if you run dnsdomainname it just > returns nothing instead of printing out the domain. Where on earth do > you set it? worked it

[SLUG] dnsdomainname

2000-11-29 Thread John Ferlito
OK this is driving me crazy. I've fixed it once before but can't remember how. I have a debian box and if you run dnsdomainname it just returns nothing instead of printing out the domain. Where on earth do you set it? -- John Ferlito Senior Engineer - Bulletproof Networks ph: +61 (0) 410 519 382

Re: [SLUG] Ease of use.

2000-11-29 Thread Dean Hamstead
Here here. Linux is made by the people for the people. Thats whats great about it, we arent told what were gunna get, we make it ourselves. If you dont like something, the nature of linux allows you to enhance or replace. Linux is also not an OS which is driven by profit (for the most part) as s

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Dean Hamstead
> I haven't read a README since going to Debian to get an application to > work. I'm still unsure whether that's good or bad. > > > decompress/run/do somethngt with that file - get a Cd of 3rd party > > software (linux has distros - but they will never answer everything - > > in the end 3rd party

[SLUG] Ease of use.

2000-11-29 Thread Rodos
1. Any OS is hard to use when you have no skills. I watched a 60 year old play with their new iMac, didn't have a clue. I had a guess but really had no idea where or how to find anything myself. The experienced Mac person seamed to know where everything was within one or two clicks, b

[SLUG] auto-installation of plugins ???

2000-11-29 Thread Saliya Wimalaratne
> sure Windows doesn't meet that standard either. Ideally you shouldn't even > have to install things, they are there as you need them, you only have to > think about installing the software when it involves some kind of monetary > transaction for example. (an example is you are browsing the w

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread raster
On 30 Nov, David scribbled: -> -> I wasn't going to get onto this thread, cos I'm a Mac person struggling -> with Linux and getting by, not an IT professional. -> -> LINUX IS NOT EASY. -> -> The trouble with this list is that nearly everyone is an IT pro, and has -> no idea what it's like to

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread raster
On 30 Nov, Craige McWhirter scribbled: -> -> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:44:16 you wrote: -> ->> installing software on linux is a pain - compared to windows. - you -> -> Not with apt. I'm sorry Raster, but running "apt-get install gnomehack" -> (for example) and having the correct version downloade

RE: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Jill Rowling
Hi all, Well, I have tried installing packages on Linux - Copying over tarballs, - RPM through command line - RPM through GUI (old version; broke often) and on Solaris: - Copying over tarballs, - Installing through package manager - Installing throu

RE: [SLUG] ISP support and Linux

2000-11-29 Thread Bernhard Lüder
IHUG Satnet works with Linux. I have it going with a Telemann SM200 card in text mode. I also had it going in Graphic (X) mode, but I don't need that overhead since it is only a proxy server, that I use as a gateway. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROT

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
> For "apt-get" you have to type stuff in. I dare anyone to either unplug their > keyboard for a day or not use a terminal/shell. Have a look at gnome-apt, aptitude and auto-apt (the cunningest of the three, which Gus pointed out not too long ago). If I couldn't use a terminal, I couldn't re

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Ken Yap
My opinions on ease of installation: 1. Linux can beat Windows anyday on ease of installation if the vendors want to. Observe StarOffice's install. Most developers don't go to this length, unfortunately. Geeks can always continue to use make, the command line installer, etc. Nobody is going to ta

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
> And what about things like Xfree 4. last time I looked anything apt-getable > was still in development and not to be taken lightly. As usual things might > have changed recently but Xf4 has been out for a while... XFree 4 has now entered unstable main, and it's being updated every few days,

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Dan Treacy
> -> I also think theirs a limit as to how user friendly computers can be > -> with > -> out AI. I mean, for some people a mouse is hard to use, and reading > -> error > -> messages is really a big task. > > those people should fail the "computer user license test" :) we need > people to be lice

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Dan Treacy
> I think the demand is quite small. > When compared to the MS market.. REAL small. > I guess companies that get involved with Free Software have to be > fairly hard headed. > > I feel that some have rushed in to try to take advantage of a > trendy movement, without looking deeply at the consequ

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread David
I wasn't going to get onto this thread, cos I'm a Mac person struggling with Linux and getting by, not an IT professional. LINUX IS NOT EASY. The trouble with this list is that nearly everyone is an IT pro, and has no idea what it's like to struggle with config files and arcane syntax. When

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread John Ryland
On Thursday 30 November 2000 11:16, Craige McWhirter wrote: > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:44:16 you wrote: > > installing software on linux is a pain - compared to windows. - you > > Not with apt. I'm sorry Raster, but running "apt-get install gnomehack" > (for example) and having the correct version

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Dan Treacy
> Hmm. But, if you used a distro to its full power, ie with > rpmfind for deadrat or apt-get fro debian, then 99% of software > installs are 100% easier, take less time, and work _right_, a > considerably more consistantly than on windows. If you happen to be > writing the software, or installin

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Dan Treacy
> Never having used mac I can't really compare, but installing a basic > desktop distro is simple. There is a lot about Linux that is beyond > the average user, but if you can install and configure Windows I can't see > how you would have trouble installing Linux to the point where you can > type

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Dan Treacy
> Personally I believe that Linux has to be a LOT more user friendly before > desktop apps are going to be a serious issue. > > I am a lot more savvy than the average user, and I find myself constantly > struggling with configs and installs. > I fear this more than anything is the biggest hurdl

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Craige McWhirter
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:44:16 you wrote: > installing software on linux is a pain - compared to windows. - you Not with apt. I'm sorry Raster, but running "apt-get install gnomehack" (for example) and having the correct version downloaded, installed, configured with all it's dependencies is some

[SLUG] Return Values

2000-11-29 Thread Matt Allen
Slugs, Im calling the convert binary (which is part of Image Majick) and getting a reutrn val of 126. I cant find anything that this reverences to. Ive downloaded the source and done a dirty big recursive grep but nothing. Any clues? Matta -- Matt Allen Linux/PHP eCommerce Soluti

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread DaZZa
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Dean Hamstead wrote: > As for nvidia, well i dont buy 3dfx cards because they are value for > money =) > > (has anyone got nvidia cards to run accelerated on 2.4.x??) I don't even know how to tell if mine is running accelerated under 3.3.6. :) Not that I really care - it w

Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Dean Hamstead
> > "install me" button or "uninstall" etc. - its just so much less pain > > and wokr than linux. linxu means u have to be nigh a guru to get 3rd > > party drivers working - getting nvidia's 3d to work is an example - > > everyone at work seems to keep coming to me to "fix" their machines by > > s

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread raster
On 30 Nov, Dean Hamstead scribbled: ->> installing software on linux is a pain - compared to windows. - you ->> have to find the right file - read a readme - figure out how to ->> decompress/run/do somethngt with that file - get a Cd of 3rd party ->> software (linux has distros - but they will nev

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Dean Hamstead
> installing software on linux is a pain - compared to windows. - you > have to find the right file - read a readme - figure out how to > decompress/run/do somethngt with that file - get a Cd of 3rd party > software (linux has distros - but they will never answer everything - > in the end 3rd part

Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread raster
On 30 Nov, enterfornone scribbled: -> On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 02:12:34PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -> ->> people why cry "open source" for the drivers mainyl don't knwo the ->> market, the reasons or whats going on. -> -> I admit, I don't know the market. But I've never understood the nee

[SLUG] BAckspace under X

2000-11-29 Thread Doug Stalker
Debian Woody System. Everything going fine. Then from a console I killed X ('killall gdm') to see if it would make any difference with my sound problem - it didn't. I started gdm back up, but teh backspace key wont work - it just beeps. I rebooted teh entire system - same problem. backspace

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Brett Esra
Rachel Polanskis wrote: > > Sluggers, > > I read on /. about Applix and Adobe both making annoucements about > discontinuing popular products on the Linux platfrom. > > Applix is begging that free officeware products are biting too hard. > What about Adobe? > This is not as bad as it may seem

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Terry Collins
Jamie Honan wrote: > > (BTW, anyone else finding slash less than satisfying these days?) I gave up on slashdot over a year ago. It was when they started trying to fool readers. I subs to Humourix for jokes. > Applix would have been very affected by StarOffice. Adobe's reasoning > is harder to

[SLUG] Re: Re: Re: x problem..

2000-11-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
> > "apt-get remove" makes much more sense. > > heh, you can tell who uses "dpkg --purge" lazarus: ~ $ dpkg -l | grep ^rc lazarus: ~ $ :P - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- make: *** No rule to make target `whoopee'. Stop.

[SLUG] Misprint

2000-11-29 Thread Jamie Honan
I wrote: > as the KIA compiler and EDO and CAD tools go I think I have memory on the brain. I meant EDA (electronic design ..something..) - circuit design, electronic manufacturing etc. Jamie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Jamie Honan
(BTW, anyone else finding slash less than satisfying these days?) Rachel: >Applix is begging that free officeware products are biting too hard. >What about Adobe? >I do not like seeing this sort of thing happen to Linux. >Is there not enough demand or is it a case of the market being poorly >pl

Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread enterfornone
On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 02:12:34PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > people why cry "open source" for the drivers mainyl don't knwo the > market, the reasons or whats going on. I admit, I don't know the market. But I've never understood the need for closed source drivers. The argument is usual

Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread raster
On 30 Nov, Angus Lees scribbled: -> -> your problem is that the 3rd parties are 3rd. oddly enough that also have the most useful stuff :) -> as soon as nvidia gives up this silly little game, the drivers will be -> assimilated and everyone can get on with things. i won't say much - I can't (co

Re: [SLUG] rs6000

2000-11-29 Thread Michael Sztachanski
Jon Biddell wrote: > On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Alex JuniorBurger wrote: > > > Anyone had any experience with Linux on a IBM RS6000 > > > 7043 166mhz machine > > > ? If so where do I get a distro that works and some > > > info on how to > > > install it ?? > > > > I'm guessing that LinuxPPC would be a

[SLUG] Re: Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Angus Lees
\begin{[EMAIL PROTECTED]} > installing software on linux is a pain - compared to windows. - you > have to find the right file - read a readme - figure out how to > decompress/run/do somethngt with that file - get a Cd of 3rd party > software (linux has distros - but they will never answer everythi

[SLUG] Re: Re: Re: x problem..

2000-11-29 Thread Angus Lees
\begin{Jeff Waugh} > > > > > apt-get install xfree86-common- > > > > "apt-get remove" makes much more sense. heh, you can tell who uses "dpkg --purge" -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread Thom May
On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 09:44:16 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > On 29 Nov, enterfornone scribbled: > -> On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 08:43:35PM +1100, David wrote: > -> > > -> > Personally I believe that Linux has to be a LOT more user friendly before > -> > desktop apps are going to be a seriou

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread raster
On 29 Nov, enterfornone scribbled: -> On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 08:43:35PM +1100, David wrote: -> > -> > Personally I believe that Linux has to be a LOT more user friendly before -> > desktop apps are going to be a serious issue. -> > -> > I am a lot more savvy than the average user, and I f

Re: [SLUG] Re: Re: x problem..

2000-11-29 Thread Thom May
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 01:21:56 +1100, Jeff Waugh said: > > > > anyway, removing xfree86-common should be enough: > > > > apt-get install xfree86-common- > > > > (see, its "install" to remove stuff. its almost as good as pressing > > "start" to find "shutdown") > > > Bah! Gus is only bein

Re: [SLUG] Re: Re: x problem..

2000-11-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
> anyway, removing xfree86-common should be enough: > > apt-get install xfree86-common- > > (see, its "install" to remove stuff. its almost as good as pressing > "start" to find "shutdown") Bah! Gus is only being difficult because he should be doing his thesis. ;) "apt-get remove" makes m

[SLUG] Re: Re: x problem..

2000-11-29 Thread Angus Lees
\begin{Alex Salmon} > i have tried all what was suggested but somthing is definatly broken so in > attempt the find the problem how do u de-install a task in deb. ie > oppisite of tasksel as i want to remove all Xwindows core programs well.. if you gave us some actual details we could try and fix

Re: [SLUG] Re: Quick Debian Question

2000-11-29 Thread Edward Murphy
I think you're after /etc/apt/sources.list That's if you're after this file tank:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian potato main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org potato/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian woody ma

Re: Re:[SLUG] ISP support and Linux

2000-11-29 Thread Edward Murphy
Ihug sales just got spammed by a person on aol.com and have over 5000 email's that they ahev to wade through because the management don't want any potential customers email's to get missed -- Microsoft "Where would you like to go

Re: [SLUG] Strftime

2000-11-29 Thread Terry Collins
Dean Hamstead wrote: > > Is there a %X (where X is a letter) that returns the current > number of the day of the month including suffix (st, nd, th etc) %d I got this from webcam.c man strttime -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www:

Re: [SLUG] I bent my Woody

2000-11-29 Thread Martin
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Jason Rennie wrote: > I just got through dist-upgrading my new debian box to woody off of > aarnet. > > Then i recompiled the kernel (2.4.0-test10) and rebooted. I doubt these are kernel probs, but you might as well go for test11, which is now out. If you are going to use t

Re: [SLUG] Computer Markets was [SLUG]Older i386 looking for buff firewall. Must know how to handle badpackets...

2000-11-29 Thread Heracles
SydLinx wrote: > Regarding computer markets, I was wondering if anyone can recommend > any of the other markets around Sydney, or warehouses selling > computers cheaply? > > Similarly can anyone recommend which auctions or sales of computer > equipment are worth attending. Pickles Computer Auct

Re: [SLUG] Strftime

2000-11-29 Thread Ewing, Jeff
On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 06:20:38PM +1100, Dean Hamstead wrote: > Is there a %X (where X is a letter) that returns the current > number of the day of the month including suffix (st, nd, th etc) Not sure about strftime but the perl date manipulation module has this facility although your C program

Re: [SLUG] I bent my Woody

2000-11-29 Thread James Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Jason Rennie said: >2. Now zope gets an excpetion as it starts up and exits. I don't use zope, >but does debian in some way ? I would simply chuck it, unless it was >needed. Chuck zope. It's a web publishing backend, and unless you know about it already then you don

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread enterfornone
On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 08:43:35PM +1100, David wrote: > > Personally I believe that Linux has to be a LOT more user friendly before > desktop apps are going to be a serious issue. > > I am a lot more savvy than the average user, and I find myself constantly > struggling with configs and install

[SLUG] Problems upgrading debian

2000-11-29 Thread Ken Caldwell
Last night I decided to upgrade my second computer to Woody. I seem to have cleared up most of the problems encountered along the way but to remain. One package, 9menu, is in an unconfigured state because the post install script fails. The package is not important it was suggested originally as

Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot

2000-11-29 Thread David
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Rachel Polanskis wrote: > > I read on /. about Applix and Adobe both making annoucements about > discontinuing popular products on the Linux platfrom. Personally I believe that Linux has to be a LOT more user friendly before desktop apps are going to be a serious issue.

Re: [SLUG] rs6000

2000-11-29 Thread Jon Biddell
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Alex JuniorBurger wrote: > > Anyone had any experience with Linux on a IBM RS6000 > > 7043 166mhz machine > > ? If so where do I get a distro that works and some > > info on how to > > install it ?? > > I'm guessing that LinuxPPC would be a good bet. There > is also a YellowD