RE: [Re: [[SLUG] VNC on Live Server for RH 7.1 [Next Round]]]

2003-03-26 Thread Felix Sheldon
On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 18:42, LS wrote: Hi Felix et al: I am still confused. From Putty I see no X forwarding option. If you are using VNC, then you don't want X forwarding, it's a different thing. You just want plain TCP/IP port forwarding over which you use the VNC protocol. I also

[SLUG] Smoothwall question

2003-03-26 Thread Kevin Saenz
I was wondering if anyone has played with smoothwall. What I would like to know is if smoothwall can do the following allow for both pppd and adsl connection at the same time. So my system has essentially have 4 legs. they are ppp0, eth0, eth1, and eth2. Thanks Kevin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux

Ctte nomination (Was: Re: [SLUG] SLUG AGM: Nominations update)

2003-03-26 Thread Peter Hardy
Hi. On 19 Mar 2003 21:57:46 +1100 Tony Green wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 21:55, Ben Leslie wrote: I'd like to nominate Peter Hardy for president. Seconded Thanks a lot guys. I'll accept. -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info:

[SLUG] Mandrake 9.1 released

2003-03-26 Thread Chris D
Just letting y'all know Mandrake 9.1 (Bamboo) has been released. New features can be found at: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/9.1/features/ Mandrake has really polished the distro for new users -- including NTFS resizing, MandrakeGalaxy (same thing as the bluecurve concept in RH -- the same

Re: [RE: [Re: [[SLUG] VNC on Live Server for RH 7.1 [Next Round]]]]

2003-03-26 Thread Louis Selvon
Hi David et al: My version of Putty was an old one. Try ftp://ftp.tartarus.org/pub/people/owen/putty-x86.exe . I have downloaded this one. I see the X-Forwarding stuff under SSH - Tunnels . So I tick Enable X11 Forwarding. For X display location what do I enter ? Sorry I need a bit more

Re: [SLUG] Smoothwall question

2003-03-26 Thread Del
Kevin Saenz wrote: I was wondering if anyone has played with smoothwall. What I would like to know is if smoothwall can do the following allow for both pppd and adsl connection at the same time. So my system has essentially have 4 legs. they are ppp0, eth0, eth1, and eth2. No, it can't.

Re: [RE: [Re: [[SLUG] VNC on Live Server for RH 7.1 [Next Round]]]]

2003-03-26 Thread Louis Selvon
Hi felix et al: Reply Louis If you are using VNC, then you don't want X forwarding, it's a different thing. You just want plain TCP/IP port forwarding over which you use the VNC protocol. Louis I thought VNC by itself is not secure. X Forwarding provides the encrypted security I need. Is this

Re: [SLUG] Smoothwall question

2003-03-26 Thread David Kempe
Do you mean two 'internet' (untrusted) interfaces or 1 internet, 1 dialin? smoothwall is pretty limited from my few hours of playing with it. shorewall on any linux box with iptables and iproute would so what you want i believe dave - Original Message - From: Kevin Saenz [EMAIL

Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 9.1 released

2003-03-26 Thread David Kempe
Mandrake has really polished the distro for new users -- including NTFS resizing, Does anyone have any experience with how Mandrake do this? what software revisions or expected stability? sounds dangerous to me, unless great inroads into NTFS has been made recently. thanks, dave -- SLUG -

Re: [SLUG] Smoothwall question

2003-03-26 Thread Kevin Saenz
2 untrusted interfaces. Do you mean two 'internet' (untrusted) interfaces or 1 internet, 1 dialin? smoothwall is pretty limited from my few hours of playing with it. shorewall on any linux box with iptables and iproute would so what you want i believe dave - Original Message -

Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 9.1 released

2003-03-26 Thread Kevin Saenz
I have had some experence with some NT and w2k cracking tools at work which booted Linux and modified the local sam database you could either change Administrator or a local users password with out issue. But resizing NTFS sounds like a lot of fun. Apparently RH does NTFS resizing now as well. So

Re: [SLUG] Debian xfree

2003-03-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 07:55:12PM +1100, Mick Boda wrote: Hi All dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 the following message is produced ii xserver-xfree86 4.1.0.-16 the xfree server What is apt-get update command that will install the dependcies? Is that a problem? If you want to install a basic

[SLUG] Web page/Formatted print - ideas sought

2003-03-26 Thread Howard Lowndes
I want to develop an application that uses a background database but delivers the displayed data in a web browser. OK, no big deal so far. The problem is that I also want to be able to deliver printable material which will need a degree of formatting to suit a preprinted form. This printable

[SLUG] Exim and Custom routing

2003-03-26 Thread Alexander Samad
Can any one give me any hints on how to if possible setup exim such that if it recieves an email that is say over 100K that it routes it over a smart host instead of trying to deliver directly Alex pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 9.1 released

2003-03-26 Thread Dave Airlie
you could either change Administrator or a local users password with out issue. But resizing NTFS sounds like a lot of fun. Apparently RH does NTFS resizing now as well. So it seems to be pretty stable. The guy (Anton I think is his name) that is working on NTFS-ng for Linux, put a lot of

RE: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread James_Gray
-Original Message- From: Del [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 3:45 PM To: James Gray; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Just an observation not a criticism, but is it just me or have

Re: [SLUG] Web page/Formatted print - ideas sought

2003-03-26 Thread Stuart Guthrie
Hi Howard, How are your XSL skills? Both of these suggestions take XML and render to graphics/PDF. This would mean you would create an XML file of the data, then apply a XSL to transform it to the requested graphic. SVG - XML language for scalable vectors. I've used it for minimal gantt chart

[SLUG] Stupid sendmail backup mx problem

2003-03-26 Thread Damien Gardner Jnr
Howdy Folks, Looking for a little advice on sendmail config.. Say we have the following domain MX entries: inracing.com.au. 2592 IN MX 10 mail.isa.net.au.inracing.com.au. 2592 IN MX 20 mx2.isa.net.au.inracing.com.au. 2592 IN MX 200 mx2.vector.net.au. Normally that all works

Re: [SLUG] Stupid sendmail backup mx problem

2003-03-26 Thread John Clarke
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 09:43:27AM +1100, Damien Gardner Jnr wrote: Damien, Please wrap your lines. 740 character lines are a little hard to read ... inracing.com.au.2592IN MX 10 mail.isa.net.au. inracing.com.au.2592IN MX 20 mx2.isa.net.au.

Re: [SLUG] Web page/Formatted print - ideas sought

2003-03-26 Thread Michael Lake
Howard Lowndes wrote: I want to develop an application that uses a background database but delivers the displayed data in a web browser. OK, no big deal so far. The problem is that I also want to be able to deliver printable material which will need a degree of formatting to suit a

Re: [SLUG] Stupid sendmail backup mx problem

2003-03-26 Thread Damien Gardner Jnr
From: John Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please wrap your lines. 740 character lines are a little hard to read *grin* says the man who's telling us his current uptime and weather in his mail headers? ;) (Seriously though, I hate people who hard-wrap their lines before sending, with a vengeance -

RE: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread Mike MacCana
On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 09:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RedHat/RPM - I used RedHat since version 4.2 through to 6.x then ditched it in favour of Debian. RPM's methods for resolving dependency problems are less than spectacular and sometimes impossible without forcing. Having said that,

Re: [SLUG] Stupid sendmail backup mx problem

2003-03-26 Thread Damien Gardner Jnr
ARGH, why does Ctrl+v through VNC send a message 1/10th of the time in lookout express?! From: John Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please wrap your lines. 740 character lines are a little hard to read *grin* says the man who's telling us his current uptime and weather in his mail headers? ;)

Re: [SLUG] Stupid sendmail backup mx problem

2003-03-26 Thread Terry Collins
Damien Gardner Jnr wrote: From: John Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please wrap your lines. 740 character lines are a little hard to read *grin* says the man who's telling us his current uptime and weather in his mail headers? ;) Now that is just pure bitchiness. PMT? I would have let this

Re: [SLUG] Stupid sendmail backup mx problem

2003-03-26 Thread John Clarke
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 10:29:25AM +1100, Damien Gardner Jnr wrote: From: John Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please wrap your lines. 740 character lines are a little hard to read *grin* says the man who's telling us his current uptime and weather in his mail headers? ;) Oh, so someone actually

Re: [SLUG] Who owns the .rtf format?

2003-03-26 Thread Stephen SLI27 Lindsay
I think microsoft own it, however the specification for it is publicly viewable. For example:- http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec.asp It's more of a markup-style format rather than a binary (or dump-a-big-chunk-of-whatever's-in-memory-at-moment) format like some of

Re: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread John Ferlito
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 10:31:03AM +1100, Mike MacCana wrote: up2date -u To update the entire system up2date -i (package) To install a package, and any dependencies it requires. Its been this way since 6.0 Yes but why would I use a system where I have to either a) register on a website

Re: [SLUG] Stupid sendmail backup mx problem

2003-03-26 Thread John Clarke
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 10:32:04AM +1100, Damien Gardner Jnr wrote: ARGH, why does Ctrl+v through VNC send a message 1/10th of the time in lookout express?! No idea. I use VNC only to access an NT server here, and I don't use lookout ;-) I've replied to some of your message already so I'll

Re: [SLUG] Stupid sendmail backup mx problem

2003-03-26 Thread John Ferlito
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 10:55:48AM +1100, John Clarke wrote: On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 10:29:25AM +1100, Damien Gardner Jnr wrote: It looks like it. It might be sendmail's config or it might be DNS. Do an MX DNS query for inracing.com.au on mx2.isa.net.au. Does that return the correct

[SLUG] Red Hat updates (was debian silliness)

2003-03-26 Thread Del
or is there another way around this silliness above and I've been misinformed? current: http://www.biology.duke.edu/computer/unix/current ... and/or your favourite (closest) Red Hat updates mirror site. My company (Babel Com Australia) offers a service where we provide updates via up2date, as

Re: [SLUG] Stupid sendmail backup mx problem

2003-03-26 Thread Del
John Clarke wrote: Hmm, though that gets me thinking... - while mx2.isa.net.au resolves to the same IP as the actual hostname on the machine (hungryhungryhippos.isa.net.au), will sendmail realise that it's the same machine? Or should I be doing a Cwmx2.isa.net.au to make sure? I wouldn't have

Re: [SLUG] Stupid sendmail backup mx problem

2003-03-26 Thread John Clarke
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 11:41:20AM +1100, Del wrote: Actually I'll countermand John C's advice and suggest that yes, it is actually a good idea to put mx2.isa.net.au in to your Cw as it does help the secondary MX relaying problem. Thanks Del. I've not seen this problem before and didn't know

Re: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Mike MacCana I find most people who bitch and moan about Red Hat (or Linux, as RPM is the standard packaging format for that OS). This is inaccurate, and you've said it before. To clarify, the RPM format was chosen as the standard format for LSB packages, rather than as the standard

Re: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread Terry Collins
John Ferlito wrote: ...snip. Yes but why would I use a system where I have to either a) register on a website to setup a Demo account which expires every 2 months unless I fill in a survey. Ever tried doing this if you are managing 5+ machines. It's a bit of a pain. b) pay for the

Re: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread Stewart
On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 09:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having said that, Mandrake's urpmi is a big leap in the right direction, but still lacks the simple elegance of apt-get/dpkg/dselect in both operation and configuration. now i'm turning into a debhead, can someone 'please

RE: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread Brett Fenton
They are way more elegant. dpkg is what it's all built off. If you get the .deb file you can use dpkg -i package.deb just like you would on an rpm based system. apt is the obtaining of the packages from either a local source say your installation cd's or a remote source like ftp. apt is cutting

Re: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread Mary
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 01:44:36PM +1100, Stewart wrote: now i'm turning into a debhead, can someone 'please explain' exactly what the difference between apt-get/dpkg/dselect is and how they work together? to my mind three commands aint as 'simple elegance' as one rpm one. :-) dpkg: the

RE: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread Dave Airlie
I think you are comparing them at different levels.. rpm should be compared with dpkg not with apt.. up2date, apt-rpm, urpmi should be compared with apt... I'm not saying apt isn't the best I'm just saying a like with like comparison would be better... and I think dselect should be compared

[SLUG] What are apt-get/dpkg/dselect? [Was: apt-get weirdness lately]

2003-03-26 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Stewart now i'm turning into a debhead, can someone 'please explain' exactly what the difference between apt-get/dpkg/dselect is and how they work together? to my mind three commands aint as 'simple elegance' as one rpm one. :-) Okay: dpkg: Basic package management functions

Re: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread Stephen SLI27 Lindsay
now i'm turning into a debhead, can someone 'please explain' exactly what the difference between apt-get/dpkg/dselect is and how they work together? to my mind three commands aint as 'simple elegance' as one rpm one. :-) .deb is the standard debian package file (equiv is .rpm file) dpkg

RE: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread Tim White
What most apt advocates usually don't mention is that up2date is similar to apt, in that you can easily type something like 'up2date ssh' and it will go and do it. Unfortunately there are not any other sources that you can use up2date from except the Red Hat Network. So even though I find

Re: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Tim White Does anyone know of any other RHN type servers for free? Probably better to look at apt-rpm repositories, such as freshrpms.net. The GStreamer guys distribute their own packages this way, as do many others. Not sure the RHN stuff is built to do this in such a

Re: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread Mary
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 02:22:37PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Tim White Does anyone know of any other RHN type servers for free? Probably better to look at apt-rpm repositories, such as freshrpms.net. The GStreamer guys distribute their own packages this way, as do many others.

[SLUG] Fwd: What are apt-get/dpkg/dselect? [Was: apt-get weirdness lately]

2003-03-26 Thread Stewart
thanks for the subject change - i should've done that myself. :) and thanks to all who replied, it's a bit clearer now. i was getting a bit mystified because 'apt-get install php' wasn't working for me, where i thought the package name was a sort of wildcard search, it doesn't seem to be. i

Re: [SLUG] Fwd: What are apt-get/dpkg/dselect? [Was: apt-get weirdness lately]

2003-03-26 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Stewart i was getting a bit mystified because 'apt-get install php' wasn't working for me, where i thought the package name was a sort of wildcard search, it doesn't seem to be. No, not at all, otherwise you'd get every package starting with or including php in the name... That

RE: [SLUG] Fwd: What are apt-get/dpkg/dselect? [Was: apt-get weirdness lately]

2003-03-26 Thread Brett Fenton
upgrading the kernel is about 10x easier on debian as on other distributions (imho). you simply select your kernel options in config/menuconfig/xconfig build a .deb package, then install the package with dpgk. i think you'll be suprised at how easy it is. brett : -Original Message- :

Re: [SLUG] Fwd: What are apt-get/dpkg/dselect?

2003-03-26 Thread Stewart
On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 02:58 PM, Jeff Waugh wrote: Even neater: apt-cache search php That will help you out a lot in future. I use it all the time. :-) perfect. ta. ;) so i've just installed php4/mysql/apache-ssl/tethereal/webalizer/samba and some other things i need using dselect

[SLUG] debian and kernel article..

2003-03-26 Thread Dave Airlie
funny someone just mentioned this.. and low and behold linuxtoday popped up this http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html Dave. -- David Airlie, Software Engineer http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / [EMAIL PROTECTED] pam_smb / Linux DecStation / Linux VAX / ILUG person -- SLUG -

Re: [SLUG] Fwd: What are apt-get/dpkg/dselect?

2003-03-26 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Stewart what's the latest stable kernel i should be going for? (on i386 of course) You don't really have to build the kernel unless you need specific patches or whatever... Try this: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 Lots to choose from. - Jeff -- 'unf'

Re: [SLUG] Fwd: What are apt-get/dpkg/dselect?

2003-03-26 Thread James Gregory
On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 15:23, Stewart wrote: On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 03:03 PM, Brett Fenton wrote: upgrading the kernel is about 10x easier on debian as on other distributions (imho). so i've been told and i can see it now too. you simply select your kernel options in

Re: [SLUG] Fwd: What are apt-get/dpkg/dselect?

2003-03-26 Thread Stewart
On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 03:35 PM, James Gregory wrote: Debian's great and all, but let's not belittle the achievements of other linux vendors (and more importantly spread misinformation). 'make rpm' was around before 'make-kpkg'. seconded - last thing i want to do is start another

Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 9.1 released

2003-03-26 Thread Chris D
They're FAT32 resizing progs have been pretty good in the past - and from the times I did use them they worked without destroying any data. However, I wouldn't use the NTFS resizing application on a mission-critical computer, or a PC without backing up all your data. I would wait a few releases

Re: [SLUG] Smoothwall question

2003-03-26 Thread Chris D
I believe the MandrakeSecurity MNF could possibly do what your after. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/mnf Maybe even SNF (only if you have older hardware, though) Cheers, Chris On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 23:37, Kevin Saenz wrote: 2 untrusted interfaces. Do you mean two 'internet'

Re: [SLUG] Fwd: What are apt-get/dpkg/dselect?

2003-03-26 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=James Gregory I for one am ecstatic that you're loving Linux Debian-style. What I wanna know is how this is 10X easier than doing make rpm in your kernel source tree? Or rebuilding the .src.rpm for your kernel, or dagnammit, just installing the distribution's pre-built RPM of the

[SLUG] Testing for a SEGV before it happens

2003-03-26 Thread Andy Eager
Hi all, I've got a GNU-C question: Is it possible to test the accessability (rw or ro) of a memory region before writing to it? (I want to be able to test whether or not a string is in the code or data segment) Thanks, Andy -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More

Re: [SLUG] Testing for a SEGV before it happens

2003-03-26 Thread Dave Airlie
Is it possible to test the accessability (rw or ro) of a memory region before writing to it? (I want to be able to test whether or not a string is in the code or data segment) uggh.. do you not know? did you not put it there? usually wanting to do something like this is due to bad design

Re: [SLUG] hardware recommendation

2003-03-26 Thread Dave Airlie
3COM or Nokia PCMCIA should work ... I've been out of the loop for a while.. I might give the Toshiba/Motorola a miss as they usen't to work when I was writing BT stacks.. Dave. On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, James Gregory wrote: Can anyone recommend me a Bluetooth interface thing that works with

Re: [SLUG] hardware recommendation

2003-03-26 Thread Dave Airlie
3COM or Nokia PCMCIA should work ... I've been out of the loop for a while.. I might give the Toshiba/Motorola a miss as they usen't to work when I was writing BT stacks.. actually 3COM mightnt' be the best either... any USB should in theory work, as the USB / Bluetooth interface is

Re: [SLUG] Fwd: What are apt-get/dpkg/dselect?

2003-03-26 Thread Stewart
On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 03:57 PM, Jeff Waugh wrote: the stuff you get out of kernel-package is very slick, handles depmod, lilo/grub, etc., etc. It builds highly integrated kernel packages appropriate to the Debian environment. i'd say so. i'm now running 2.4.18, upgraded from 2.2.0.

Re: [SLUG] Testing for a SEGV before it happens

2003-03-26 Thread Andy Eager
Dave Airlie wrote: Is it possible to test the accessability (rw or ro) of a memory region before writing to it? (I want to be able to test whether or not a string is in the code or data segment) uggh.. do you not know? did you not put it there? No. I didnt put it there. I am writing a library

Re: [SLUG] Testing for a SEGV before it happens

2003-03-26 Thread Dave Airlie
uggh.. do you not know? did you not put it there? No. I didnt put it there. I am writing a library function as follows: void log_string(char *in_str) { . open file, write string, close file . write '\0' to *in_str to clear the log msg if in data seg } I agree

Re: [SLUG] Testing for a SEGV before it happens

2003-03-26 Thread Dave Airlie
uggh.. do you not know? did you not put it there? No. I didnt put it there. I am writing a library function as follows: void log_string(char *in_str) { . open file, write string, close file . write '\0' to *in_str to clear the log msg if in data seg } I agree it's

Re: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread Mike MacCana
On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 12:18, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Mike MacCana I find most people who bitch and moan about Red Hat (or Linux, as RPM is the standard packaging format for that OS). This is inaccurate, and you've said it before. No it is not. I think you've just chosen to interpret

Re: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread Mike MacCana
On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 12:46, Terry Collins wrote: John Ferlito wrote: Yes but why would I use a system where I have to either a) register on a website to setup a Demo account which expires every 2 months unless I fill in a survey. Ever tried doing this if you are managing 5+ machines.

RE: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread Mike MacCana
On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 14:06, Brett Fenton wrote: apt is cutting out a step. in the simplest case with an rpm you might visit rpmfind.net for example, locate your package, download and then install. Er, no. That's not the simplest case. up2date -i package apt is great, but as we've said

Re: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Mike MacCana Of course, the ability of those packages to integrate with the rest of the system is fairly limited if they're turned into dumb archives by a program such as alien, which, when run on an rpm based system, will turn rpm into effectively dumb archives in dpkg format -

[SLUG] odd load behaviour

2003-03-26 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
Hi all. I'm wondering if anyone has seen this behaviour before. The system load is quite low, but not abnormally low. This machine normally stays between 0.5 and 2 during the day. However, the CPU states are split between user and system, there is no idle at all. Here's an excerpt from top:

Re: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

2003-03-26 Thread Del
Does anyone know of any other RHN type servers for free? current, as I mentioned earlier. -- Del -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug