[SLUG] Newbie -> Can't execute anything I've downloaded

2006-05-01 Thread Josh Shone
Hello, first e-mail: Trying to get Firefox 1.5 and Frostwire on to my Kubuntu 5.10 install. Firefox comes in a tar.gz, Frostwire in a .deb package. Firefox: I un-tar Firefox, and it apparently should run straight out of the folder, but nothing in there will run. Permissions on everything says

Re: [SLUG] Newbie -> Can't execute anything I've downloaded

2006-05-01 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Josh Shone wrote: > Hello, first e-mail: > > Trying to get Firefox 1.5 and Frostwire on to my Kubuntu 5.10 install. > Firefox comes in a tar.gz, Frostwire in a .deb package. The problem is probably that Firefox was installed as a tar.gz. Unless you really know what you are doing, its *highly*

Re: [SLUG] Newbie -> Can't execute anything I've downloaded

2006-05-01 Thread Charles Myers
On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 17:55 +1000, Josh Shone wrote: > Hello, first e-mail: > > Trying to get Firefox 1.5 and Frostwire on to my Kubuntu 5.10 install. > Firefox comes in a tar.gz, Frostwire in a .deb package. > > Firefox: > I un-tar Firefox, and it apparently should run straight out of the > fo

[SLUG] gcc problem

2006-05-01 Thread Charles Myers
Hi again guys, I have a problem trying to compile nzbget onto my ubuntu install.. I have googled up the problem, but I'm getting way over my head. (I did have this installed on a previous install so I'm not sure why it wont work now)... The error I get when I do a ./configure is:- checking for g

Re: [SLUG] gcc problem

2006-05-01 Thread Michael Fox
libcdev or something... your missing a package.. On 5/1/06, Charles Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi again guys, I have a problem trying to compile nzbget onto my ubuntu install.. I have googled up the problem, but I'm getting way over my head. (I did have this installed on a previous instal

Re: [SLUG] gcc problem

2006-05-01 Thread Charles Myers
On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 18:27 +1000, Michael Fox wrote: > libcdev or something... your missing a package.. > > On 5/1/06, Charles Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi again guys, > > > > I have a problem trying to compile nzbget onto my ubuntu install.. I > > have googled up the problem, but I'm

Re: [SLUG] gcc problem

2006-05-01 Thread Michael Fox
libstdc++ is missing would be my guess.. On 5/1/06, Charles Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 18:27 +1000, Michael Fox wrote: > libcdev or something... your missing a package.. > > On 5/1/06, Charles Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi again guys, > > > > I have a proble

[SLUG] Regarding Frostwire (That I can't get to work on kubuntu)

2006-05-01 Thread Josh Shone
Limewire: Gnutella (P2P) client, written in Java, very good, free. Not open-source though. Frostwire: Same people make open-source version called Frostwire. Exactly the same except diff. skin, but should eventually be better, cause it's open! Thanks for the help, I'll give it a go. (that was

Re: [SLUG] Newbie -> Can't execute anything I've downloaded

2006-05-01 Thread Keith Hopkins
Josh Shone wrote: Hello, first e-mail: Trying to get Firefox 1.5 and Frostwire on to my Kubuntu 5.10 install. Firefox comes in a tar.gz, Frostwire in a .deb package. Firefox: I un-tar Firefox, and it apparently should run straight out of the folder, but nothing in there will run. Permissions

Re: [SLUG] svnadmin hangs - apparently I need more entropy :-(

2006-05-01 Thread Dan Treacy
Michael Lake wrote: Hi all I have 'svnadmin create /var/lib/svn/TheProject' hanging on a Debian stable box running subversionn 1.1.4. Googling finds that the problem is that there is not enough entropy and suggests a recompile of I think libapr0. Blow that. I'm trying to set this up on a virt

Re: [SLUG] Newbie -> Can't execute anything I've downloaded

2006-05-01 Thread Jeff Allison
Josh Shone wrote: Hello, first e-mail: Trying to get Firefox 1.5 and Frostwire on to my Kubuntu 5.10 install. Firefox comes in a tar.gz, Frostwire in a .deb package. Firefox: I un-tar Firefox, and it apparently should run straight out of the folder, but nothing in there will run. Permission

Re: [SLUG] svnadmin hangs - apparently I need more entropy :-(

2006-05-01 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Dan Treacy wrote: >I had this problem (or thought I did) for an unrelated program (can't >even recall what it was now tbh) but I do remember there was a command >to actually check and see how much entropy your system had.. IIRC it was >just cat /proc something random

[SLUG] Newbie root problems

2006-05-01 Thread Josh Shone
I want log in as root. Discovered that you can allow for this in KDE by adjusting "AllowRootLogin=true" in the file kdmrc. Cannot do this however, because I can't log in as root... So I go to the terminal and I say: su (My root password) and tada: su: Authentication Failure I type

Re: [SLUG] Newbie root problems

2006-05-01 Thread James Purser
On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 20:35 +1000, Josh Shone wrote: > I want log in as root. Discovered that you can allow for this in KDE by > adjusting "AllowRootLogin=true" in the file kdmrc. Cannot do this > however, because I can't log in as root... So I go to the terminal and I > say: > > su > (

Re: [SLUG] Newbie root problems

2006-05-01 Thread Ken Foskey
On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 20:35 +1000, Josh Shone wrote: > I want log in as root. Discovered that you can allow for this in KDE by > adjusting "AllowRootLogin=true" in the file kdmrc. Cannot do this This is only for a graphical login. You do not need to do this to use su. > su > (My root p

[SLUG] Try THIS with M$ operating systems

2006-05-01 Thread James Gray
I have a Prosignia 200 at work that now refuses to boot from CDROM. It threw a hard drive over the weekend so the secondary DNS server went "bye-byes". So after much battling, BIOS flashing and general mucking around, I decided to just get the new drive, throw it in a spare PC (some nameless, f

Re: [SLUG] Serious Printer Question -- Samsung CLP-550N

2006-05-01 Thread Glen Turner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... as well as the undocumented (i.e. useless) Samsung Printer Language. Not sure that's so. Samsung have a GPLed driver for GDI, which I believe was the previous (and confusing) name for SPL. Having written that, there's a lot to be said for PostScript support. Chee

Re: [SLUG] Newbie -> Can't execute anything I've downloaded

2006-05-01 Thread Steve Lindsay
On 5/1/06, Josh Shone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, first e-mail: Howdy. Trying to get Firefox 1.5 and Frostwire on to my Kubuntu 5.10 install. Firefox comes in a tar.gz, Frostwire in a .deb package. Firefox: The newer version of ubuntu (dapper) has firefox 1.5. Dapper is in beta now s

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Glen Turner
Benno wrote: BitLocker is software. It uses the TPM hardware to verify the boot process. (I'm trying to get more information on that.) Hi Benno, Verifying the boot process is exactly the problem. Let's buy a machine, say it comes with Windows installed and the "bitlocked" feature on. Now le

[SLUG] Re: VtAdGRA news

2006-05-01 Thread Obed Lawerence
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[SLUG] vmware/fc5

2006-05-01 Thread Andrew Tappert
[TO: Peter Rundle] Hey there, Came across your postings about VMware in FC5 because I was getting the same error message you were (about address space mismatch between headers and running kernel) and was looking for a solution... didn't find one on your SLUG mailing list, but I've got it working

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Malcolm V
On Monday 01 May 2006 23:16, Glen Turner wrote: > Let's buy a machine, say it comes with Windows installed and > the "bitlocked" feature on. It seems almost certain that Bitlocker will behave as you state, though the documentation is unclear whether the boot loader is part of the Bitlocker che

[SLUG] Re: VtAGRtA news

2006-05-01 Thread Lockie Helberg
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Re: [SLUG] Try THIS with M$ operating systems

2006-05-01 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On Monday 01 May 2006 22:03, James Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a Prosignia 200 at work that now refuses to boot from CDROM. It > threw a hard drive over the weekend so the secondary DNS server went > "bye-byes". > > So after much battling, BIOS flashing and general mucking around, I d

Re: [SLUG] Try THIS with M$ operating systems

2006-05-01 Thread James Purser
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 08:28 +1000, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > The retail version of Windows would probably force you to reregister with > Microsoft, which can be a lengthy and painful process. > What would most likely happen is the kernel would crash completely and you would need to reinstall.

Re: [SLUG] Try THIS with M$ operating systems

2006-05-01 Thread CaT
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 10:03:41PM +1000, James Gray wrote: > I have a Prosignia 200 at work that now refuses to boot from CDROM. It threw > a hard drive over the weekend so the secondary DNS server went "bye-byes". ... > It reset my network configuration, sorted out the X server and re-jigged th

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Benno
On Mon May 01, 2006 at 22:46:12 +0930, Glen Turner wrote: >Benno wrote: > >>BitLocker is software. It uses the TPM hardware to verify the boot >>process. (I'm trying to get more information on that.) > >Hi Benno, > >Verifying the boot process is exactly the problem. > >Let's buy a machine, say it

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Benno wrote: > But Bitlocker is a piece of software you have to first install and > then turn on, not something that comes installed and enabled on the > machine when you buy it. The vast majority of machines sold in the western world come with windows pre-installed. > There is no reason I can s

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Matthew Hannigan
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 09:32:08AM +1000, Benno wrote: > There is no reason I can see, in theory, why you couldn't > > 1/ Turn off TPM boot > 2/ Install linux > 3/ Turn TPM back on checksum-ing the new bootloader. > > But yeah, I have only really had a brief look at the TPM > documentation, it m

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Benno
On Tue May 02, 2006 at 09:46:58 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: >Benno wrote: > >> But Bitlocker is a piece of software you have to first install and >> then turn on, not something that comes installed and enabled on the >> machine when you buy it. > >The vast majority of machines sold in the wes

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Benno wrote: > I'll buy you a beer Cool. I look forward to it. > Is it that bad if people are running Linux inside a virtual machine > running on windows anyway? I don't mind if they can. I do mind of thats the only way of having Linux and 'doze running on the same machine. > But I guess that

Re: [SLUG] Paying Money for Quality (and software testing)

2006-05-01 Thread Martin Pool
On 29 Apr 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > With regards to last night's Slug meeting and using automated testing, > I think everyone agrees that writing (and using) test cases produces > higher quality code with less bugs. My point is that higher quality > output doesn't come for free, it requires

[SLUG] AMD64

2006-05-01 Thread jam
Hi this is a trawl for info please: Has anybody got an AMD84 running smoothly and reliably? I've got an x2/3800 on an ASUS A8V MB. I've tried with SuSE10, SuSE10.1 (RCs), FC5, Ubuntu. All have some problems, sometime eg on board AC97 sound not seen (recognised, configurable) use a sound card, th

Re: [SLUG] AMD64

2006-05-01 Thread James Purser
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 08:42 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi > this is a trawl for info please: > > Has anybody got an AMD84 running smoothly and reliably? > > I've got an x2/3800 on an ASUS A8V MB. I've tried with SuSE10, SuSE10.1 (RCs), > FC5, Ubuntu. All have some problems, sometime > eg

Re: [SLUG] AMD64

2006-05-01 Thread Erle Pereira
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 08:42 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Has anybody got an AMD84 running smoothly and reliably? > yes, been running the Turion variant of the AMD64 (acer 5000 aspire series ... laptop) for more than 5 months now (and its on for over 8 hrs /day at times) used ubuntu, suse

Re: [SLUG] AMD64

2006-05-01 Thread Menno Schaaf
Are you using the 64 bit editions or just the 32 bit ones? (You don't say anywhere...) Do you experiance the same problems with a live CD? If so, could be a faulty motherboard and/or RAM (run memtest) On 5/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi this is a trawl for info please: H

[SLUG] RHEL4 sudo problems

2006-05-01 Thread James Gray
Hi All, Seems my shiny new RHEL4 (update 3)[1] wont allow any of my configured "sudoers" to actually use sudo. What I have is everyone in the "wheel" group configured to complete access to sudo with their user password. However, when any of us actually run sudo, the following sequence allways

Re: [SLUG] AMD64

2006-05-01 Thread jam
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 09:07, you wrote: > Are you using the 64 bit editions or just the 32 bit ones? (You don't > say anywhere...) > > Do you experiance the same problems with a live CD? If so, could be a > faulty motherboard and/or RAM (run memtest) > > On 5/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [SLUG] AMD64

2006-05-01 Thread Michael Kedzierski
On 5/2/06, Erle Pereira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 08:42 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Has anybody got an AMD84 running smoothly and reliably? > I've been using AMD64 since April 2004, and I've been using Gentoo all the way. Support initially was a bit crap, but it's

Re: [SLUG] AMD64

2006-05-01 Thread David Gillies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sorry for the typo! (84) > The 32bit editions do not speedstep, which was the point of the exercise. > I've I'm running Ubuntu in 32bit mode on my AMD64 3000+ with a gigabyte motherboard and it happily speedsteps. - -- da

Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Howard Lowndes
On Tue, May 2, 2006 10:05, Benno wrote: > On Tue May 02, 2006 at 09:46:58 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > I just really doubt that a feature which is so difficult to use and > can mean losing all you data if you forget a key or password is going > to be enabled by default for home PCs -- of cou

[SLUG] Re: slug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 5

2006-05-01 Thread jam
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 09:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Has anybody got an AMD84 running smoothly and reliably? > > yes, been running the Turion variant of the AMD64 (acer 5000 aspire > series ... laptop) for  more than 5 months now (and its on for over 8 > hrs /day at times) > > used ubuntu, su

[SLUG] Re: Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread bill
If Vista prevents dual booting via software within its installation, what is to prevent booting linux from a separate hard drive and using the PC's Bios to determine the drive boot order? JUut make the linux drive hda with Grub dual booting Windows from hdb. My PC is setup to do this now with

Re: [SLUG] Re: Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Benno
On Tue May 02, 2006 at 12:03:35 -0400, bill wrote: >If Vista prevents dual booting via software within its installation, >what is to prevent booting linux from a separate hard drive and using >the PC's Bios to determine the drive boot order? The problem is that the PC's BIOS (with TPM) may be ab

Re: [SLUG] Re: Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Howard Lowndes
On Wed, May 3, 2006 02:03, bill wrote: > If Vista prevents dual booting via software within its installation, > what is to prevent booting linux from a separate hard drive and using > the PC's Bios to determine the drive boot order? > > JUut make the linux drive hda with Grub dual booting Windows f

Re: [SLUG] Paying Money for Quality (and software testing)

2006-05-01 Thread Benno
On Sun Apr 30, 2006 at 08:49:39 +1000, O Plameras wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>With regards to last night's Slug meeting and using automated testing, >>I think everyone agrees that writing (and using) test cases produces >>higher quality co

Re: [SLUG] Re: Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-05-01 Thread Robert Collins
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 12:06 +1000, Benno wrote: > ...and then Windows could choose not to boot. Which is bad how? Rob -- GPG key available at: . signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Maili

Re: [SLUG] RHEL4 sudo problems

2006-05-01 Thread David Gillies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Gray wrote: > Seems my shiny new RHEL4 (update 3)[1] wont allow any of my configured > "sudoers" to actually use sudo. What I have is everyone in the "wheel" group > configured to complete access to sudo with their user password. However, >

Re: [SLUG] RHEL4 sudo problems

2006-05-01 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, James Gray wrote: >Seems my shiny new RHEL4 (update 3)[1] wont allow any of my configured Are you using SELinux? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: [SLUG] AMD64

2006-05-01 Thread James Gray
On Tue, 2 May 2006 10:42 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi > this is a trawl for info please: > > Has anybody got an AMD84 running smoothly and reliably? > > I've got an x2/3800 on an ASUS A8V MB. I've tried with SuSE10, SuSE10.1 > (RCs), FC5, Ubuntu. All have some problems, sometime > eg > on boar

Re: [SLUG] RHEL4 sudo problems

2006-05-01 Thread James Gray
On Tue, 2 May 2006 12:28 pm, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > This one time, at band camp, James Gray wrote: > >Seems my shiny new RHEL4 (update 3)[1] wont allow any of my configured > > Are you using SELinux? Yep - but only in "warn" mode. James -- Govern a great nation as you would cook a small fish.

Re: [SLUG] svnadmin hangs - apparently I need more entropy :-(

2006-05-01 Thread Michael Lake
Jamie Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Dan Treacy wrote: I had this problem (or thought I did) for an unrelated program (can't even recall what it was now tbh) but I do remember there was a command to actually check and see how much entropy your system had.. IIRC it was just cat

Re: [SLUG] vmware/fc5

2006-05-01 Thread Peter Rundle
Andrew Tappert wrote: [snip] http://knihovny.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmware-any-any-update101.tar.gz Running that (the runme.pl in that archive) fixed it for me... Thanks, I've gone back to FC4 because I was also having problems with Cross-over office. It gives errors in X and won't launch

Re: [SLUG] RHEL4 sudo problems *SOLVED*

2006-05-01 Thread James Gray
On Tue, 2 May 2006 09:18 am, James Gray wrote: > Hi All, > > Seems my shiny new RHEL4 (update 3)[1] wont allow any of my configured > "sudoers" to actually use sudo. What I have is everyone in the "wheel" > group configured to complete access to sudo with their user password. > However, when any

Re: [SLUG] Try THIS with M$ operating systems

2006-05-01 Thread James Gray
On Tue, 2 May 2006 08:49 am, CaT wrote: > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 10:03:41PM +1000, James Gray wrote: > > I have a Prosignia 200 at work that now refuses to boot from CDROM. It > > threw a hard drive over the weekend so the secondary DNS server went > > "bye-byes". > > ... > > > It reset my networ

Re: [SLUG] svnadmin hangs - apparently I need more entropy :-(

2006-05-01 Thread Michael Lake
Michael Lake wrote: I have 'svnadmin create /var/lib/svn/TheProject' hanging on a Debian stable box running subversionn 1.1.4. Googling finds that the problem is that there is not enough entropy and suggests a recompile of I think libapr0. I have found it in Debian Bug report logs - #285708

[SLUG] booting linux without grub or lilo

2006-05-01 Thread Kevin Saenz
Hi all,Just have a question is there a way to boot linux without using a bootloader.I don't want the option to select new kernels or other OSes. I would like to speed up the boot process as well. I have services down to absolute minimum. If it helps I am running Gentoo. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Use

Re: [SLUG] booting linux without grub or lilo

2006-05-01 Thread CaT
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 02:39:34PM +1000, Kevin Saenz wrote: > Hi all, > > Just have a question is there a way to boot linux without using a > bootloader. Not sure if you can safely but... > I don't want the option to select new kernels or other OSes. I would like to This would be dangerous but

Re: [SLUG] booting linux without grub or lilo

2006-05-01 Thread Benno
On Tue May 02, 2006 at 14:39:34 +1000, Kevin Saenz wrote: >Hi all, > >Just have a question is there a way to boot linux without using a >bootloader. >I don't want the option to select new kernels or other OSes. I would like to >speed up the boot process as well. I have services down to absolute min

Re: [SLUG] booting linux without grub or lilo

2006-05-01 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Just have a question is there a way to boot linux without using a > bootloader. So, in much the same way as you can copy a kernel to a floppy and it 'just boots', I'm sure there is some way of doing a similar thing from your hard drive. But it's relatively dangerous, and I'm sure it will invol

Re: [SLUG] booting linux without grub or lilo

2006-05-01 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Kevin Saenz wrote: >Hi all, > >Just have a question is there a way to boot linux without using a >bootloader. I have it from a reliable source that booting linux directly hasn't worked since the 2.2 series. >I don't want the option to select new kernels or other OSes.

[SLUG] Re: CtkALlS news

2006-05-01 Thread Crofton Sohn
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Re: [SLUG] booting linux without grub or lilo

2006-05-01 Thread Malcolm V
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 14:39, Kevin Saenz wrote: > Hi all, > > Just have a question is there a way to boot linux without using a > bootloader. > I don't want the option to select new kernels or other OSes. I would like > to speed up the boot process as well. I have services down to absolute > minim

Re: [SLUG] booting linux without grub or lilo

2006-05-01 Thread Peter Hardy
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 15:18 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > Just have a question is there a way to boot linux without using a > > bootloader. > > So, in much the same way as you can copy a kernel to a floppy and it 'just > boots', I'm sure there is some way of doing a similar thing from your ha

Re: [SLUG] booting linux without grub or lilo

2006-05-01 Thread Jeff Waugh
> The biggest restriction I can think of right now is passing parameters to > the kernel. (Plus there's the "where your kernel must reside" issue, but that's kinda easy to sort out if you're this crazy.) > Setting a different console resolution, starting in single user mode, or > my favourite r

[SLUG] Latex, tabular screwed

2006-05-01 Thread Terry Collins
I'm having trouble with tabular environemt in latex atm[1]. Basically, it just finding errors that don't give a clue. \begin{tabular}{|p|c|c|c|c|c|c|} \hline mass (M g) & 10.0 & 10.5 & 11.0 & 11.5 & 12.0 & 12.5 \\ \hline Extension ( e mm) & 16 & 18& 22& 25& 26& 30 \\ \h

[SLUG] Re: VALtqUM news

2006-05-01 Thread Lothario Temple
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