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their mind to be the wrong thing.
Somehow seed that thought and get it to grow.
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St. Louis, MO
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> I have an architect that wants to put additional window sprinklers below a
> horizonta
er to the water run-down
> of the window sprinklers. So the architect is probably figuring that if
> they have window sprinklers located up high near the top of the frame and
> those wet the glass down to the mullion and then they have another row of
> window sprinklers covering the ar
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The horizontal mullions create a horizontal barrier to the water run-down of
the window sprinklers. So the architect is probably figuring that if they have
window sprinklers located up high near the top of the frame and those wet the
glass down to the mullion and then they have another row of
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> > Your situation is not fully described for me to make a higher-quality
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> Your situation is not fully described for me to make a higher-quality
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> I have however, seen instances where 1). horizontal mullions and yes, 2).
> inappropriate orientation and location of window sprinklers c
have to make some compromises.
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I have an architect that wants to put
Your situation is not fully described for me to make a higher-quality
response.
I have however, seen instances where 1). horizontal mullions and yes, 2).
inappropriate orientation and location of window sprinklers causes the
downfalling water to
in the case of the first, jet off the plane of the
I have an architect that wants to put additional window sprinklers below a
horizontal mullion. I am absolutely against this idea as it's not listed or
approved for this. Has anyone run into this situation?
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.P.Silva" :
Thanks for sharing this information.
My question is this: Tyco data sheets state "locate window sprinklers within
each mullioned segment". Whereas it is not required for butt-jointed window
assemblies, provided the sprinkler spacing is maximum 8 feet. So clearly
Thanks for sharing this information.
My question is this: Tyco data sheets state "locate window sprinklers within
each mullioned segment". Whereas it is not required for butt-jointed window
assemblies, provided the sprinkler spacing is maximum 8 feet. So clearly
they consider the mullio
Subject: Re: Window sprinklers
>From what I understand Tyco was not invited to the hearings for the proposed
>changes and the rug was pulled out from under them in regard to the Tyco WS
>sprinkler for 1hr and 2hr equivalency. This is a big deal that has yet to hit
>the fan so to sp
: Friday, February 22, 2013 01:15 AM
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>From what I understand Tyco was not invited to the hearings for the proposed
>changes and the rug was pulled out from under them in regard to the Tyco WS
>sprinkler for 1hr and 2hr eq
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I have two windows, each 2'-6" wide, separated by a vertical mullion. Do I
need two window sprinklers?
Tony
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I think only horizontal mullions are considered an obstruction to
wetting the glass. Also, in IBC 2013, the sprinkler equivalent for
Fire Rated is no longer approved.
Quoting Rod DiBona :
Pretty sure you d
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I think only horizontal mul
sprinklers
I have two windows, each 2'-6" wide, separated by a vertical
mullion. Do I need two window sprinklers?
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I have two windows, each 2'-6" wide, separated by a vertical mullion. Do I need
two window sprinklers?
Tony
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I have two windows, each 2'-6" wide, separated by a vertical mullion. Do I
need two window sprinklers?
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distribution drawing would be a good
idea for supporting the rationale of the position of the sprinkler head to
achieve this performance requirement.
On a side note regarding Window Sprinklers used to achieve a rating (tested
in accordance with ASTM E 119 like the Tyco WS), the 2012 edition of the
IBC has
We have a situation that may call for window protection for a pedestrian
walkway as described in IBC 3104.5, the standard calls for total wetting of the
glass. Does this mean that the Tyco WS is our only acceptable means of
protection, or is it possible to use standard sprinklers, for example b
window sprinklers shall be positioned within 2 in. (50.8 mm)
of the top of the window sash in accordance with Table 7.8.8.4.
Listed window sprinklers for exposure protection cannot be used for interior
windows in a rated wall.
Table 7.8.8.4 Position of Window Sprinklers
Width of
Window
Nominal K
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Subject: RE: WINDOW SPRINKLERS
Who else has a listing?
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs
Who else manufactures Window Sprinklers? Also, I am calculating the window
sprinklers the same way as Tyco is recommending for there 'Window Sprinklers'
to calculate, I could not find in NFPA-13 how to calculate sprinklers for
Window protection (any suggestions?) I am using Tyco FRB
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Subject: RE: WINDOW SPRINKLERS
The NRC Canada's IRC has an interesting article on the use of SSP QR heads
to protect tempered glass windows, but I don't believe ICC has adopted any
of these yet.
http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/ibp/irc/ctus/ctus-n12.html
Thom McMahon, SE
The NRC Canada's IRC has an interesting article on the use of SSP QR heads to
protect tempered glass windows, but I don't believe ICC has adopted any of
these yet.
http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/ibp/irc/ctus/ctus-n12.html
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Ste
Who else has a listing?
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
Subject: RE: WINDOW SPRINKLERS
You know there are window sprinklers other than Tyco's.
Greg Mc
You know there are window sprinklers other than Tyco's. I take the word "sill"
literally when applying this to heads/nozzles that are not specifically listed
for the rating of the wall like Tyco's. My understanding is that a "sill" is
horizontal.
The local fire
10 12:52 PM
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Subject: RE: WINDOW SPRINKLERS
George,
The objective is that the entire surface of the glass be wetted.
John Drucker, CET
Fire Protection Subcode Official
Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector
Fire Marshals Office
Borough of Red Bank, NJ
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I apologize for not being more clear, the 2½" mullions are vertical and was
asking if each panel required sep
I have read Tyco's Data sheet and was planning on using a SSP because of Tyco's
5.6k, and NFPA's 2007 Table 7.8.8.4 reference to 2.8k for windows >3 to 4ft.
George Medina Jr.
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I apologize for not being more clear, the 2½" mullions are vertical and was
asking if each panel required separate sprinklers for them exceeding 1".
Than
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I apologize for not being more clear, the 2½" mullions are vertical and was
asking if each
2010 12:22 pm
Subject: RE: WINDOW SPRINKLERS
You're not allowed horizontal mullions or molding. The glazing can be
eparated by vertical mullions so long as each panel has its own sprinkler, but
orizontal bumps are a deal-breaker.
Steve Leyton
rotection Design & Consulting
an Diego
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Forum,
NFPA-13 (2007) Sec.7.8.8.2
Where window sills or similar featur
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Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:47 PM
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Subject: Re: Window sprinklers
In regard to the first question about to WS or not to WS, note that
the building code is:
On Mar 8, 2010, at 9:59 PM, John Drucker wrote:
> BETWEEN 4 INCHES AND 12 INCHES (10
In regard to the first question about to WS or not to WS, note that
the building code is:
On Mar 8, 2010, at 9:59 PM, John Drucker wrote:
> BETWEEN 4 INCHES AND 12 INCHES (102 MM AND 305 MM) AWAY
> FROM THE GLASS AND DESIGNED SO THAT THE ENTIRE SURFACE OF THE GLASS
> IS WET
> UPON ACTIVATION
ch 08, 2010 4:42 PM
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Bob:
I agree, Bob. My dear friend John Drucker would be disappointed in me for
forgetting about the ability of the building code in providing such
prescriptive alternatives. My intent was to just make the distincti
ss
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:11 PM
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Wait. You mean this exterior dry horizontal sidewall head I'm supposed to
center over the exterior window connected to the wet system piping in the
ceiling might not work the way the en
Wait. You mean this exterior dry horizontal sidewall head I'm supposed to
center over the exterior window connected to the wet system piping in the
ceiling might not work the way the engineer drew it? Buy an engineer drew
it? It's on the drawring?
(my apologies, a sore spot still..)
Wong
Not un
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Bob:
I agree, Bob. My dear friend John Drucker would be disappointed in me for
forgetting about the ability of the building code in providing such
prescriptive
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Subject: RE: Window sprinklers
Bob:
Wasn't the whole Atrium glass issue because the walls around an atrium were
being treated like exposure protection, not as rated assembly compliance?
What I think I heard, and could be wrong, was that SSP/ssu closely spaces
we
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Sal,
I am not challenging your knowledge or
ssage-
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Bob:
Wasn't the whole Atrium glass issue because the walls around
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Sal,
I am not challenging your knowledge or expertise, and while I
1:06 PM
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In answering this question, one must first ask if there is fire resistance
rating required to be maintained with this installation. Only listed window
sprinklers are tested and listed to provide an actual fire resistance
Sal,
I am not challenging your knowledge or expertise, and while I agree that
window sprinklers are tested for this specific application, the use of
sprinklers in lieu of rated construction materials is really a building code
issue where the atrium section permits closely spaced sprinklers in
In answering this question, one must first ask if there is fire resistance
rating required to be maintained with this installation. Only listed window
sprinklers are tested and listed to provide an actual fire resistance rating
for glazing. This is because these sprinklers are tested in
nday, March 08, 2010 1:10 PM
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Subject: Window sprinklers
Do you have to use window sprinklers to protect windows or can standard
spray sprinklers be used?
Thank you
Robert Thompson
DAKOTA
FIRE PROTECTION
1710 N. Washington Street
Grand Forks ND 5820
Do you have to use window sprinklers to protect windows or can standard
spray sprinklers be used?
Thank you
Robert Thompson
DAKOTA
FIRE PROTECTION
1710 N. Washington Street
Grand Forks ND 58206-5327
Phone # (701) 772-8820
Fax # (701) 772-7932
Email rob...@dakotafire.com
Everything you need to know is in the ICC Legacy report including why you need
a pony wall.
Rahe Loftin
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Thom,
Great info. Than
Thom,
Great info. Thanks.
Cliff
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There
ICC link to report
http://www.icc-es.org/reports/pdf_files/NES/NER516.pdf
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
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P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel: 970-879-7952
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Thom,
That brings up another issue I've been wondering about. I am being required
to use these on both sides of the windows. I have not studied the details
yet but if the top of the window is at 7' AFF and the ceiling is at
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Also unless the windows extend to the ceiling the widow sprinklers will be
placed lower th
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I would say no you can't use them for floor coverage. On the plus side
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Subject: Window Sprinklers
Forum,
Can a window sprinkler be considered in your head layout or does it
merely
cover the window spac
Forum,
Can a window sprinkler be considered in your head layout or does it merely
cover the window space only and you must lay out heads using the line of
window sprinklers as your wall?
For example, if this was a standard water curtain with heads on 6' centers
your heads would cover 7.5&
Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers
Its important to keep the context of the building code clear. First 2006 IBC
Section 704 applies to EXTERIOR WALLS.
2006 IBC 704.12 "Opening Protection" applies to; "WINDOWS in EXTERIOR WALLS
REQUIRED to have protected openings in accordance with ot
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You DO NOT need building code permission use these heads in an unsprinklered
building. They comply with the building code. The building
am i pegged as the anti-sprinkler guy? ;-)
that would be ironic.
I made up the scenario describing how a fire
could break a glass wall with WS protecting.
It was hypothetical
to prove a point: that a failure path existed.
To be sure, that failure path is not very possible.
but then, neither did
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Yes but the building code does not! So I guess where you have no building
code your OK.
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech,
ay to all,
Ron Fletcher
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In an exposure fire like the one described, it would be the respons
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Thank you for this criticism. That is what makes this forum really useful
as a
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We were told in some threads to throw away logic
and do what the Code prescribes. And that covers
our ifs, ands or butts. But the t
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Thank you for this criticism. That is what makes this forum really useful
as a tool.
bare-knuckled debate. I never said i was not the fool. But being an
engineer
Thank you for this criticism. That is what makes this forum really useful
as a tool.
bare-knuckled debate. I never said i was not the fool. But being an
engineer, well,
some people consider a license to prove me a fool. I admit it. don't need to
prove it.
Fire away, all day and all night. I'll t
This thread has already gone on way too long but I can't let this slide.
Scott: If your installing window sprinklers in an unsprinklered building,
your already outside the scope of the listing and the building code, so your
using your "Engineer" Status to say that this will work
Thanks man, great information.
Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic Sprinkler
Phoenix, AZ
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Pagni, at
Pagni, at Berkeley and a grad-student made
a computer program to predict glass breakage
from fire exposure. Think that was back in the 80s'.
It wasn't air bubbles or liquefaction that caused
window breakage in their findings. It was heating
differences between exposed glass and the glass
shielde
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ToMAYto, toMAHto - my point only being that it's not as if these
sprinklers just showed up with the I-codes. Quell is ne
l relative.
Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA
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10 years is new wh
: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:12 AM
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Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers
10 years is new when you've been in this trade for 30 yrs. wouldn't you
think?
Russell Rewis
Brown Automatic Sprinklers, Inc.
107C Hemlock Street
Valdosta, Georgia 31601
229-244-8
10 years is new when you've been in this trade for 30 yrs. wouldn't you
think?
Russell Rewis
Brown Automatic Sprinklers, Inc.
107C Hemlock Street
Valdosta, Georgia 31601
229-244-8130
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The obvious answer would be heat that directly threatens the glass; a
sprinkler could react directly to heat on the same side or to heat
radiated
t with a valance. We did a luxury condo
high-rise of poured-in-place construction where we had to expose the
piping that fed the window sprinklers and they created hardwood valances
to conceal the piping; it actually enhance the appearance of the rooms.
If you're in a framed wall, fatten it
Waverly, MN 55390
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Guys,
Its important to note that 2006 IBC 704.12
Rated glass walls have been used for ages but the Tyco window sprinkler is
fairly new so I've been wondering what has been done in the past to address
this issue architecturally wise. I called an architect and questioned him on
it. He said that a long time ago one could use wire glass. Now he uses
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2006 IBC 704.12 provides for exterior window opening utilizing a water
curtain. "Exception - Opening protectives are not required where th
tober 01, 2008 10:24 AM
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If that happens what's the problem?
If FD is on the scene and attacking the fire then most likely occupants
are out, hose streams are in play and sprinklers at the glass are a
non-issue. What about
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2006 IBC 704.12 provides for exterior window opening utilizing a water
curtain. "Exception - Opening protectives are not required where th
esday, October 01, 2008 1:08 PM
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That was my point exactly. Not how to install the head per the listing.
A manual system would be more dependable than a closed head system with no heat
collection.
Here's a what if. What if ther
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Just a note about the mentioning of "sprinkler activation". The
the window sprinkler
has activated.
Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic Sprinkler
Phoenix, AZ
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Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA
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Just a note about the menti
I believe the issue is similar to in-rack sprinklers in that the activation is
more or less direct flame impingement. If there is enough heat to jeopardize
the side of a building the head will likely activate.
Rich Richardson
Seattle Fire Department
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So the test assumes the glass remains intact until s
Just a note about the mentioning of "sprinkler activation". The data sheet
states that the advantages are its ability to wet the entire glass and the
quick activation time. Well, that quick activation time is a mystery to me
because the data states that there is no specific distance below the
ceili
Report NER-516 provides specific instructions on the application
of window sprinklers including but not limited glazing, frames, non
bearing walls, etc. The complete report can be downloaded/read at;
http://www.icc-es.org/reports/pdf_files/NES/NER516.pdf
John Drucker
Fire Protection Subcode Off
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Yes.
Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA
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Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:42 AM
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And nobody thinks that might be a problem? I have installed these heads four
feet below a ceiling and outside with only the mullion to act as a heat
01, 2008 8:19 AM
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Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers
Same as for any rated wall or partition. It can't do it's job if it's
not intact.
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO B
Yes.
Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA
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So the
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So the test assumes the glass remains intact
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The window sprinkler was tested using the exact same criteria as is used
to establish any other rated assembly. A test fire is built on one
side of the subject and burned for the duration of the rating and then
there's a steady-stream hose test
yton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA
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Just a guess but I thin
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