Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
For future reference,
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?StrutsMoreAboutJSF
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First and most important, thanks for addressing the concerns!
It's fine line threaded here with lots of gray area.
I will study (legalize), and maybe respond my opinion as to what I
think of it, but there are things not addressed at the first glance such
as that there are more than one thing
Vic, my friend,
You're really not getting this.
JSTL is not a replacement for Struts. Nor JSF is a replacement for
Struts. They are both technologies that you can use with Struts and get
more bang for your development buck.
Some people are saying that with a really good implementation of JSF,
Ted Husted wrote:
Some people are saying that with a really good implementation of JSF,
you might [not] need Struts.
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, June 07, 2003 2:27 PM
To: Struts Developers List
Subject: Re:
http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces
Vic, my friend,
You're really not getting this.
JSTL is not a replacement for Struts. Nor JSF is a
replacement for
Struts. They are both technologies that you can use
Not every Java developer is willing to simply accept whatever technology
Sun or the JCP brings out.
If we were, there wouldn't be Velocity and Tapestry and Turbine and
Maverick and WebWorks and JPublish, and quite a few others.
But, regardless of what happens next, just as dinosaurs live on as
I see it spun as replacement to Struts:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-userm=105467147713194w=2
Above says:
the upcoming EA4 release of JavaServer Faces includes some pretty
dramatic improvements in the C part of the equation
So ... more of a replacement, I comprehended (Struts is View
Vic, you're making no sense at all.
Craig said,
I don't view Struts as dying -- after all, it is a stable, mature,
platform for web application development that can be used today, while
JavaServer Faces is still in Early Access and cannot be employed in
production apps. And, you can use
I don't understand the problem you have with Struts integrating with JSF.
JSF is the Java *standard* web GUI library.
David
(hope this does not detract from more important issues)
http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces
To the extent that this implies Struts _should_
ASF does not ask much of people other than don't use it to endorse
vendor products. JSF is a Sun license.
On apache.org domain we have integration to a vendor.
I asked for a president, did Jakarta in the past have integration to a
vendor on Apache domain?
Is the SF.net implementation licensed
When you download the JRE/JDK you agree to a Sun license. Java itself is
distributed under a Sun license. JSF is a Java standard released through
the JCP. You're free to have your own opinion of JSF but Struts *will*
support it. The Struts team believes in the use of standard technologies
1. License Grant. BEA Systems, Inc. (BEA) grants you a
non-exclusive and non-transferable license for the internal
evaluation, testing , development and production use of the
accompanying software and documentation provided by BEA for WebLogic
JRockit (JRockit), including, but not limited to the
Sun licenses Java to other companies so that they can port it to their OSes.
A violation of that license is what the whole MS lawsuit is about. Like
it or not, Sun owns Java; they are *not* just another vendor.
Again, like it or not, JSF is not a framework provided by a vendor but a
??
The BEA OS? I see where you are going ;-)
they are *not* just another vendor. Got it! There for excluded from
ASF livense.
That explains the MS lawsuit. Got it. Thanks.
JSF is standard. Like C# is. I learned something.
:-[
Peace,
.V
David Graham wrote:
Sun licenses Java to other companies
Vic,
The JSF Expert group includes :
Specification Lead
Ed Burns Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Craig R. McClanahanSun Microsystems, Inc.
Expert Group
Aligo, Inc. Apache Software Foundation
BEA Systems Bayern, Shawn
Bergsten, Hans Berkovitz, Joseph
Is ASF allowed to distribute Sun JDK? Not AFAIK.
I think main argument is license, ex: what is cost of JSF? Is it
similar to JBoss issue?
I am not against JSF integration w/Struts at all. The more the better.
When there is only a single choice, this can't be good, standard or not.
No one has
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(hope this does not
Isn't JSF just another spec like Servlets and JSP?...
Any vendor can make a JSP impl based on the spec, so they should also be able
to make a JSF impl. Struts-Faces allows Struts to play with any compliant JSF
implementation. If it doesn't we get to go Craig-bashing. :)
Struts plays with
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