o much for too little a result.
Brandon Goodin
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From: Eva Sager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:55 AM
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This brings up a good point... if all you get out of a degree
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Subject: [Eva Sager] RE: Does a degree matter?
What was your age when you went back to school? I am 29 (30 in August). I am
married and have 2 young children (3,6). School seems to be a considerable
financial/time investment. I just want to make sure I am not starting too
late and doing
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From: Eva Sager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:55 AM
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This brings up a good point... if all you get out of a degree is learning
specific technology... in a fast changing
hornton Scott Contractor CADRE/WGTD
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I got my degree in Electrical Engineering. One of my good friends got his
masters degree in Cryptography. There are co
bject: RE: Does a degree matter?
> -Original Message-
> From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Arron Bates wrote:
>
> > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:36:21 -0600
> > From: Arron Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> &
> -Original Message-
> From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Arron Bates wrote:
>
> > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:36:21 -0600
> > From: Arron Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Brandon,
> >
> > If you can do the deed (which it sounds like you can), I
>
ng List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Does a degree matter?
> Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
> > Any specific
> > technology you learn in your first year is going to be totally
> > obsolete by the time you graduate from the pr
done, although what I got going in the end did work.
Oh, my eyes are misting up at the thought.
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From: "Alexandre Jaquet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 6:03 PM
S
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> looks good :
>
> "Fortran 2000 is an upwardly-compatible extension of the current Fortran
> standard, Fortran 95, adding, amo
Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
Any specific
technology you learn in your first year is going to be totally
obsolete by the time you graduate from the program anyway, so why
bother?
I dunno. I took a senior level course in Sept of 2000 that taught
Struts version 0.5. It's helped me get this j
> Sent: 31 March 2003 17:04
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Does a degree matter?
>
> that's exactly the same behaviour in switzerland if you do university
> (only theory and only a few pratic)
>
> the degree I do is a special one with less theory and more
aquet
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Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 5:26 PM
Subject: RE: Does a degree matter?
> Hi all,
> Just my two cents.
>
> Craig's
email to my boss but accidentally click the Reply.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: apachep2 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: March 31, 2003 9:57 AM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: Does a degree matter?
>
> This guy always has a different b
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Cc: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Does a degree matter?
Brandon,
But we Indians have to work like a dog ... for getting handful of
Rupees...!!!
tough to take out anytime for reading...after a work of 12-15 hours a day.
Regards,
Puneet Agarwal
Ext: 1031
Struts
It happens again, when I reply, I always receive the 2nd copy. This is
the 2nd copy.
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From: apachep2 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 31, 2003 9:57 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: Does a degree matter?
This guy always has a different bu
2003 9:57 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: Does a degree matter?
This guy always has a different but brighter/cleverer view than others.
No wonder why he is leading the development of many open source
projects.
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From: Craig R. McClanahan [mai
: Does a degree matter?
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Arron Bates wrote:
> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:36:21 -0600
> From: Arron Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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struts for fortran 2000 ?
Ok I shut up...
lool
--
Alexandre Jaquet
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Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:45 PM
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Please!! No bad language on this site!! ;-)
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> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Andrew Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:22 PM
> > Subject: RE: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degre
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Subject: RE: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter?
Yep. Once over 30 in IT your far too old to start already as far as
most
employers are concerned. I gather that once over 35 you better have
moved
to
some kind of manager
Write your own cheques if you know FORTRAN!!
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Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:22 PM
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From: Alexandre Jaquet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 31 March 2003 22:14
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter?
You had start when the market was pretty good. I've some friend
who have finish their degree last year -september
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> Yep, Becky is right ... you are not alone. I am two years older than you
> Rick, and I just got into software development 4 1/2 years ago. I came
> from a mechanical design background (with a BS in Civil Engineering). I
Yep, Becky is right ... you are not alone. I am two years older than you
Rick, and I just got into software development 4 1/2 years ago. I came
from a mechanical design background (with a BS in Civil Engineering). I
get great support from my fellow developers here, but more often than not
I fee
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From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 31 March 2003 21:01
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Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Does a degree matter?
No shit! It took me 15 YEARS to pay off my student loans - and I even had
scholarships and, at the grad level, 3 teachin
: Re: Does a degree matter?
* Many folks who go for Comp Sci degrees obsess over learning the
particular technologies being taught in their classes, at the expense
of courses to improve your general thinking skills. Any specific
technology you learn in your first year is going to be totally
On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 23:44, Rick Reumann wrote:
> Does anyone else ever wake up going "Man, I feel overwhelmed. Too much
> too learn, not enough time." I started this computer stuff rather late
> in life and find it very difficult trying to pick out what to try
> concentrate my learning in. Bottom
: [OT] Re: Does a degree matter?
On Sat, Mar 29,'03 (02:31 PM GMT-0600), Jeff wrote:
> probably only you can
> make that decision. its a tough one.
>
Also depends on your financial situation...sucks when you have to take out
loans for school. I think I'll be paying ba
;s important.
Moral: Don't let artificial and superficial barriers stand in your way - be
creative!
Mark
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A universit
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in designing and
creating code throughout their lifetime are the successful ones.
Mohan
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Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:15 AM
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From: "Brandon Goodin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: [OT] Re: Does a degree matter?
> Wow, this has been some incredible insight. I can't thank you enough for
&g
ng the bigCo account. Everyone is counting on you!
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From: Rick Reumann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 31 March 2003 13:37
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter?
On Mon, Mar 31,'03 (12:56 PM GMT+0800), An
On Mon, Mar 31,'03 (12:56 PM GMT+0800), Andrew wrote:
> My old man was a farm labourer. Its no walk in the park,
Well, I certainly didn't mean to imply that it would be and of course I
really wasn't serious about wanting to be a farmer (I'm way too lazy
for that job:). I just meant it from th
ng List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Hi Brandon. I thought I'd watch the responses to this thread before
weighing
> in with an opinion. I was interested to note that none of the responses
> appear to have co
...
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From: Rick Reumann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 31 March 2003 12:45
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter?
Does anyone else ever wake up going "Man, I feel overwhelmed. Too much
too learn, not enough
Does anyone else ever wake up going "Man, I feel overwhelmed. Too much
too learn, not enough time." I started this computer stuff rather late
in life and find it very difficult trying to pick out what to try
concentrate my learning in. Bottom line is I have to put food on the
table for the family s
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From: Kwok Peng Tuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 31 March 2003 11:52
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Does a degree matter?
Just curious but did you find the transition from Econs to comp sc
difficult ? Cause I might do the reverse, comp science to Econs !
>Mine
Just curious but did you find the transition from Econs to comp sc
difficult ? Cause I might do the reverse, comp science to Econs !
Mine for example is in a different discipline completely (Economics) though
having graduated from that I went straight on to do a grad diploma in
computing so I co
quite frankly, there are more interesting things in the
world than just computers and web apps :-)
Beer?
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From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, 30 March 2003 13:45
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Does a degree matter?
On Sat
occasional lectures
interrupting relaxation at the university tavern!)
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From: Jeff Kyser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, 30 March 2003 04:31
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: [OT] Re: Does a degree matter?
Unfortunately, to many who are hiring, the degree is
Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Arron Bates wrote:
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:36:21 -0600
From: Arron Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does a degree ma
Wow, this has been some incredible insight. I can't thank you enough for
your advice. It has been extremly helpful in helping me to focus my
direction. As always you guys/girls have shown true heart in assisting a
fellow geek. Thanks again!
Brandon Goodin
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Arron Bates wrote:
> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:36:21 -0600
> From: Arron Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Does a degree ma
Bates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 9:36 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Does a degree matter?
Brandon,
If you can do the deed (which it sounds like you can), I would hazard
offering
my opinion in thinking that it wouldn't be the best use of your tim
Hi Brandon. I thought I'd watch the responses to this thread before weighing
in with an opinion. I was interested to note that none of the responses
appear to have come from hiring managers. So I thought you might benefit
from an opinion on that side of the debate.
In my career I have hired over 1
On 03/29/03 20:36:21 -0600 Arron Bates wrote:
If you're thinking about spending time to put yourself out there... I
reckon the best thing I ever did was while away some hours eventually
becomming a participant in an open source project. Followed with a tiny
site with some tutorials, helping a few
Brandon,
If you can do the deed (which it sounds like you can), I would hazard offering
my opinion in thinking that it wouldn't be the best use of your time. By
education I'm a graphic designer, not a computer scientist. First job was web
design, programmer ever since. Results... I've only had two
Brandon,
What I've been hearing more and more from my friends at larger corporate
institutions is that a degree does matter, especially in these difficult
times. It is reflected in your pay as well as potential for
advancement, let alone employment. It seems to be less important at
smaller busin
On Sat, Mar 29,'03 (02:31 PM GMT-0600), Jeff wrote:
> probably only you can
> make that decision. its a tough one.
>
Also depends on your financial situation...sucks when you have to take
out loans for school. I think I'll be paying back my loans
forever:)(Biology major...not even computer
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Subject: RE: Does a degree matter?
Hello Brandon,
Generally degrees, diplomas, accreditation, courses and the like can only
help you in any career. But the IT career is unusual because of pace at
which things change in the IT industry. Cheaper computers, cheaper software
and cheaper progra
Hello Brandon,
Generally degrees, diplomas, accreditation, courses and the like can only
help you in any career. But the IT career is unusual because of pace at
which things change in the IT industry. Cheaper computers, cheaper software
and cheaper programmers make it tough to see where you wil
Unfortunately, to many who are hiring, the degree is an important
screen before further consideration. and in a tough market, where
there are many applicants for each job, they can afford to be choosy.
I've known many a bright guy who did not have a degree,
and their salary always seemed lower that
A university degree is important for employers even though you have
experience. If nothing else it might be fun to go back to school!
David
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