This is nonsense.
I use NetBeans 3.5.1 with j2sdk1.4.2, and I rarely restart it (manually or
through a crash) more than one a week. Right now it has been running for
over three weeks fine. The speed issue is relative, what is slow?
NetBeans 3.5.x version was primarily improvements to performance
Razi Ansari wrote:
IntelliJ IDEA is the way to go
+1. It costs money, but, then, so do I =:)
See also
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?MyFavoriteIDEAndWhy
-Ted.
--
Ted Husted,
Junit in Action - http://www.manning.com/massol/,
Struts in Action -
Maybe because it is slow, and crash like once everyday.
Andy Cheng wrote:
Hi, I have never used anything else very seriously except Netbeans. I
think it is slow, and crash like once everyday, but the feature it offer
really is worth the trouble. It can generate the get and set method, it
will
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From: Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: J2EE IDE
you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster
than
the others.
F.
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On 27/08/2003 07:46 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of
webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE,
NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated
any
of these since I am not sure which
.
To: struts-user
Subject: Re: J2EE IDE
On 27/08/2003 07:46 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of
webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE,
NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated
Sounds like you need to upgrade your machine. I have a standard PC (2
years old) and eclipse works fine on this...
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OfCourse
Mailing List
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OfCourse, I have tested it. Then only i can make these comments.
I was just expressing my views on Eclipse for other people who were
looking
for a IDE.
I have my own preferences for a IDE.
thanks
-raj
Kwok Peng Tuck
personally I think IntelliJ is wonderful
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--- Paul Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sounds like you need
, August 27, 2003 6:04 PM
Subject: RE: J2EE IDE
--- Paul Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sounds like you need to upgrade your machine. I have a standard PC (2
years old) and eclipse works fine on this...
Either that or you need to upgrade your Eclipse and/or JRE version.
Startup time is under 20
always felt like I was walking through
water with it).
Ah well
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To: struts-user
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On 27/08/2003 07:46 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can
I agree with the points David makes below.
Eclipse Rocks. And with the plugin framework, it is getting better all the time.
I run Eclipse on Windows XP at work and on Linux 9.0 at home. No problems.
Mike
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a) Boot time : I haven't met a Java-based
Hehe. I ran eclipse on a P-I 200Mhz with 64Mb without problems (though i was
just stuffing around and not doing anything 'heavy')
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I
:
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28/08/2003 10:14
i agree, handsdown, handsup or in star wars, it rocks!
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personally I think IntelliJ is wonderful
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hahahahaa
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That's what I told my sister about boys
Mark
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I have a HP workstation 4 CPU.. 1.7 GHz.. 512MB Ram.
thanks
-raj
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I have a HP workstation 4 CPU.. 1.7 GHz.. 512MB Ram.
thanks
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IntelliJ IDEA is the way to go
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:54:08 +0800
I am using Eclipse more than one year. It doesn't
, August 28, 2003 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: J2EE IDE
Hi, I have never used anything else very seriously
except Netbeans. I
think it is slow, and crash like once everyday,
but the feature it offer
really is worth the trouble. It can generate the
get and set method, it
will update any
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: J2EE IDE
I use IntelliJ, really fast to get up and running, I believe
eclipse is really good, but heard many complain that its hard to
get up and running. But
then again, there's a lot of support for it nowadays. Just pick
one or two and try them out
For J2ee developing I am investingating
MyEclipse ($30.00) per year. It uses XDoclet
for rapid development.
Barry
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NetBeans does it too,
Vangos.
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For J2ee developing I am investingating
MyEclipse ($30.00) per year. It uses
3:11 AM
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I have been using both NetBeans and Eclipse
extensively and my recommendation goes to Eclipse.
With the proper plugins (available on their web-site),
you can do just about everything you want.
Eclipse is also written platform-specific, which means
it can
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I have been using both NetBeans and Eclipse
extensively and my recommendation goes to Eclipse.
With the proper plugins (available on their web-site),
you can do just about
]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:50 AM
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I agree for next to nothing ($30.00 per year) you can
develop in J2EE with Xdoclet (rapid dev)
and use an app server like JBoss (free).
Barry
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you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than
the others.
F.
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Subject: J2EE IDE
Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for
Well, i like Eclipse a lot but it has it's constraints.
If you wish to have O/R mapping support in your IDE, try JDeveloper etc.
Although i have never used JBulder or IntelliJ but they are also good ones.
navjot
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Yeah you'll love it. It's table, features are plenty, and its amazing
;-) And I'm not advertising ... it's just because it's really good as I
use it everyday for struts.
Firat TIRYAKI wrote:
you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than
the others.
F.
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Subject: Re: J2EE IDE
27/08/2003 01:33
This has been asked a few times previously. Search the list at:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-user
Here are a few links to get you going:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-userm=105553549210511w=2
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Well, i like Eclipse a lot but it has it's constraints.
If you wish to have O/R mapping support in your IDE, try JDeveloper etc.
Although i have
Looks like another IDE war coming on :-)
You need to check out them out yourself.
As you will no doubt soon see,
each of us have different likes and requirements.
NetBeans is known for its outstanding
GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing.
It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration.
WSAD is the Good one.
Thanks
Nazeer
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:46 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: J2EE IDE
Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development
of
webapps using STRUTS. I
You should consider also Idea.
The capability of code refactor is *big* *major* help for productivity.
http://www.intellij.com/idea/
Which can integrat the same tool for struts editing like Eclipse.
WSAD is the Good one.
Thanks
Nazeer
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+1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking
when I find something that works.
However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi
and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use
Windows for my development I'll immediately
Dear All,
I am using WSAD 5.0 . Suppose i wish to use the latest nighty build of struts, then
can that be configured in WSAD 5.0 and how ? I assume that WSAD 5.0 comes with bundled
struts release 1.0 !
Thanks in advance,
Vijay
José_Fortunato_H._Tomás [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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: Vijay Pawar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dear All,
I am using WSAD 5.0 . Suppose i wish to use the latest nighty build of
struts, then can that be configured in WSAD 5.0 and how
: J2EE IDE
+1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking
when I find something that works.
However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi
and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use
Windows for my development I'll
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I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse
2 (2.1) fan.
Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse.
-Original
leads to productivity
Panchasheel
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I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1
James Childers wrote:
p.s. I use Eclipse vim.
Me to, Eclipse + VIM.
.V
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a) Boot time : I haven't met a Java-based IDE that didn't have high boot
time. That said, the core IDE boots pretty fast on my home machine (1GHz
P4) -- much faster than NetBeans. Caveat--I quit using NetBeans because a)
it was outclassed by Eclipse and b) I felt that the releases were becoming
+1 again for IDEA
-- nagi
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Date: Wednesday, August
27, 2003 08:34:54 PM
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Subject: RE: J2EE
IDE
I use IntelliJ, really fast to get up and running, I believe eclipse is really good,
but heard many complain that its hard to get up and running. But
then again, there's a lot of support for it nowadays. Just pick one or two and try
them out, one of them must be IntelliJ
-Original
I've tried to avoid getting sucked in, but here I go...
Isn't IntelliJ a commercial product? From what I can work out
form their web site, it's a $500 licence for version 3.0 (cheaper
if you qualify for an academic licence). Eclipse is free.
One thing that Eclipse does lack (surprisingly) is
List'
Subject: RE: J2EE IDE
I use IntelliJ, really fast to get up and running, I believe eclipse is
really good, but heard many complain that its hard to get up and running.
But then again, there's a lot of support for it nowadays. Just pick one or
two and try them out, one of them must be IntelliJ
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Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:13 AM
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a) Boot time : I haven't met a Java-based IDE that didn't
have high boot
time. That said, the core IDE boots pretty fast on my home
: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:47 AM
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Subject: RE: J2EE IDE
I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan.
Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse.
-Original Message-
From: Greg Reddin
. I use Eclipse vim.
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I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse
2 (2.1) fan
all of this and much more
leads to productivity
Panchasheel
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I would have said netbeans a year ago
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Please respond to
Struts Users
Mailing
There's a wiki page for this topic that might be a better place to post IDE
reviews that on the mailing list.
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?MyFavoriteIDEAndWhy
(I sent this already but it didn't make it to the list. The original may
show up in a few hours, so sorry if this is a
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Raj,
I had slow Eclipse load times (no crashes
and no refresh issues) but my excuse was
that I ran it on a dual CPU PII/266 MHz
setup w/512 MB
All in all, vi or VIM remains the Real Programmer's editor!
Mark
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From: Michael Korolyov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:01 PM
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Just IMHO:
1. Eclipse and JDeveloper are FREE
2. IDEA
Well, this topic comes up here quite often, but is usually tagged OT way
sooner.
Mark
Not all .lengths were created equal
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Subject: RE: J2EE IDE
There's
I pay
for.
The refactoring and autocompletion tools have saved hours of my life.
BAL
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:28:12 +0100
I've tried to avoid getting sucked in, but here I
Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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All in all, vi or VIM remains the Real Programmer's editor!
Mark
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From: Michael Korolyov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27
Mailing List'
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All in all, vi or VIM remains the Real Programmer's editor!
Mark
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From: Michael Korolyov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:01 PM
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Just IMHO:
1. Eclipse
never tried the vi support, but I am a happy NetBeans user.
-Bill
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If I could get an IDE to emulate vi in its editor ... I'd really be happy.
I
That's good to know - thanks for sharing.
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From: William T Hansley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:44 PM
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NetBeans has experimental support available for external editors. From
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, William T Hansley wrote:
External Editor - integrates emacs (XEmacs) and vi (Vim) with NetBeans.
More editors can be integrated as well although the external editor team
is currently focusing on the above two editors.
I've never tried the vi support, but I am a happy
I use vi emulation inside both Idea IntelliJ and Eclipse and have been very
pleased. The best of both worlds.
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From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 11:04 AM
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That's
you.
-= J
p.s. I use Eclipse vim.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:47 AM
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I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse
2 (2.1) fan
Smelly heretic! Don't you dare oppress me! The Fowlerians shall smite the wicked
Gammalons for all eternity!
-= J
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From: Emerson Cargnin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:14 PM
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+1 for IDEA, its simply great tool, everything in it leads to productivity,
Panchasheel
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Dear All,
I am
Martin Fowler ripped all the patterns in that book from previous authors.
It isn't worth the money.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:14 PM
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Erich Gamma is one
'
Subject: RE: J2EE IDE
+1 for IDEA, its simply great tool, everything in it leads to
productivity,
Panchasheel
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Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:24 AM
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I like flowers while i code.
Brandon Goodin
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From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:16 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
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Martin Fowler ripped all the patterns in that book from previous
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Erich Gamma is one for eclipse leaders, does this means anything for
you.
James Childers wrote:
Here, friends and neighbors, is an example of the appeal to
authority fallacy
. And Fowler gives credit where credit is due. I have no beef with him
or the book.
-= J
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From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:16 PM
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Martin Fowler ripped all
That's what I told my sister about boys
Mark
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From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:36 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
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THEY ALL SUCK! Just pick the one that causes YOU the least pain.
Brandon
I have to take the opposite point of view.
They are all good. It's your own programming skill that matters the most.
-Original Message-
From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: August 27, 2003 2:36 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: J2EE IDE
THEY ALL SUCK
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Martin Fowler ripped all the patterns in that book from
previous authors.
It isn't worth the money.
-Original Message-
From: Emerson Cargnin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent
You are obviously a Fowler groupie. Try Metsker, Design Patterns Jave
Workbook ( Addison-Wesley 2002)
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Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:47 PM
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--- Mark Galbreath [EMAIL
I'm glad you are enjoying the kool-aid. Drink up. :-p
Brandon Goodin
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From: Yansheng Lin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have to take the opposite point of view
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You are obviously a Fowler groupie. Try Metsker, Design Patterns Jave
Workbook ( Addison-Wesley 2002)
-Original Message-
From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL
is that his patterns book is just rehashed
stuff from other authors and adds nothing to the literature.
Mark
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From: Shane Mingins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:17 PM
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Well then most
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