Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

Aaron Heller wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Michael Chapman wrote: Aaron Heller wrote: https://youtu.be/eY9DMn8pgGA On Mon, 09 May 2016 00:02:49 +0100, Stefan Schreiber wrote: Well done. Just one suggestion: As VR is a lot about 3D, you

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Michael Chapman wrote: > > Aaron Heller wrote: > >> https://youtu.be/eY9DMn8pgGA > > On Mon, 09 May 2016 00:02:49 +0100, Stefan Schreiber wrote: > >> Well done. > > Just one suggestion: As VR is a lot about 3D, you could think about to > extend the "8 positi

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

> Thanks to Albert I found: "A Perl script that that 'corrects' the headers on Wave Format Extensible files." It won't solve Aaron's problem, but could be modified. Michael ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@mu

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

> >> > Stefan >> >> Happy to have mine used (with usual academic courtesies ...). >> (It's on ambisonia, or I can send. >> Am working on a HOA version ...) >> >> Michael >> > >> > > > > > Hello Michael, > > That would be wonderful to have a HOA version of this. I had searched on > your website for

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> That would be wonderful to have a HOA version of this. I had searched on > your website for the tool to make it myself, but the page doesn't load > http://mchapman.com/amb/soft/positions/ > > Regards, > > Albert Hi, is that any different from opening up Reaper or any other DAW with some

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> > Stefan > > Happy to have mine used (with usual academic courtesies ...). > (It's on ambisonia, or I can send. > Am working on a HOA version ...) > > Michael > > Hello Michael, That would be wonderful to have a HOA version of this. I had searched on your website for the tool to make i

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

Eric Benjamin wrote: When I recorded Haley Jo's lovely voice for the original eight directions, I also recorded her announcing other directions. Unfortunately I wasn't prescient enough to record every conceivable direction. I wonder what would be a good announcement for half height positions?

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

On Tue, 10 May 2016 13:57:36 -0700 Eric Benjamin wrote: > When I recorded Haley Jo's lovely voice for the original eight > directions, I also recorded her announcing other directions. > Unfortunately I wasn't prescient enough to record every conceivable > direction. I wonder what would be a good

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

When I recorded Haley Jo's lovely voice for the original eight directions, I also recorded her announcing other directions. Unfortunately I wasn't prescient enough to record every conceivable direction. I wonder what would be a good announcement for half height positions? Sent from my iPhone O

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Don't forget the programs 'copysfx' and 'chxformat' in the CDP MultiChannel Toolkit enable users to tinker with channel masks, including setting to zero (if that helps), or of course to write a plain old multichannel WAVE file. Richard Dobson http://people.bath.ac.uk/masrwd/mctools.html O

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

> > Here's the problem when writing a video file, FFMPEG appears to use > the channel_mask from the audio file even if a different channel_mask is > specified on the command line. So even when I specified > "-channel_layout > 4.0", the resulting MOV file still had the channel layout set to

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

On Tue, 10 May 2016 19:21:37 - (GMT) "Michael Chapman" wrote: > > Micheal Chapman did it in 2007: > > http://ambisonia.com/Members/michael/ambisonicfile.2008-07-05.2994956247/ > > > > A newer version could be done with a HOA panner and voice synthesis. > > > > -- > > Marc > > Ouch, just sai

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

>> Aaron Heller wrote: >> > https://youtu.be/eY9DMn8pgGA > > On Mon, 09 May 2016 00:02:49 +0100, Stefan Schreiber wrote: >> Well done. >> >> Just one suggestion: As VR is a lot about 3D, you could think about to extend the "8 positions" demo to some equivalent 3D demo. Which probably would be "26

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

> Aaron Heller wrote: > >>Problem solved. Here's the YouTube version of one of the most downloaded file from Ambisonia, AJH_eigtht_positions.amb >> >> https://youtu.be/eY9DMn8pgGA > Well done. > > Just one suggestion: As VR is a lot about 3D, you could think about to extend the "8 positions" d

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

On Tue, 10 May 2016 16:11:11 +0200, David Pickett wrote: > No criticism of the system -- it must be me, because LEFT BACK and > LEFT FRONT are indistinguishable. > > Disappointing... > > David Hi David. It's you, but it's not "your fault" because everyone is different. Can you compare the sam

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

At 11:02 08-05-16, Bruce Wiggins wrote: >Currently, the surround (binaural) audio only works on Android >devices. > >Cheers > >Bruce > Thanks, Bruce. I remembered that I have an old Verizon Motorola Droid phone that doesnt work here. I powered it up on WIFI and am able to listen on Sennh

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

> Aaron Heller wrote: > > https://youtu.be/eY9DMn8pgGA On Mon, 09 May 2016 00:02:49 +0100, Stefan Schreiber wrote: > Well done. > > Just one suggestion: As VR is a lot about 3D, you could think about > to extend the "8 positions" demo to some equivalent 3D demo. Which > probably would be "26 po

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

Aaron Heller wrote: Problem solved. Here's the YouTube version of one of the most downloaded file from Ambisonia, AJH_eigtht_positions.amb https://youtu.be/eY9DMn8pgGA Thanks to Albert, Dillon, Bruce, and Marc for suggestions. Dillon diagnosed the problem, but it took a while to discover t

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Currently, the surround (binaural) audio only works on Android devices. Cheers Bruce On Sun, 8 May 2016 09:29 David Pickett, wrote: > At 04:05 08-05-16, Aaron Heller wrote: > > >Problem solved. Here's the YouTube version of one of the most downloaded > >file from Ambisonia, AJH_eigtht_

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

At 04:05 08-05-16, Aaron Heller wrote: >Problem solved. Here's the YouTube version of one of the most downloaded >file from Ambisonia, AJH_eigtht_positions.amb > > https://youtu.be/eY9DMn8pgGA Exciting news -- thanks Aaron! But I must have missed something earlier. What do I do to play thi

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

Problem solved. Here's the YouTube version of one of the most downloaded file from Ambisonia, AJH_eigtht_positions.amb https://youtu.be/eY9DMn8pgGA Thanks to Albert, Dillon, Bruce, and Marc for suggestions. Dillon diagnosed the problem, but it took a while to discover that the fix had to be

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

Here's a 360 video, 1st order Ambisonic version of a piece that was performed at last years Sounds in Space event at the University of Derby (it was 3rd order Ambisonics and a 3 screen wide presentation at the time). The plan is to redo the video for 3D in the longer term - this is just a test rea

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Hi Aaron, Currently the channel layout for upload to YouTube must be 4.0 or unspecified ; e.g., with ffmpeg, specify "-channel_layout 4.0". We're working on improving things regarding other channel layouts. Apologies for the confusion in the

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I've documented the workflow and commands that worked for me here: http://www.brucewiggins.co.uk/?p=666 cheers Bruce On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:15 PM Albert Leusink wrote: > Aaron Heller writes: > > > > > Is there some trick to uploading these files? The files I make upload, > but > > then f

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

Aaron Heller writes: > > Is there some trick to uploading these files? The files I make upload, but > then fail during processing. > Hi Aaron, Try this, start with an MP4 video file and the 4-channel .wav ACN audio file. Maybe the issue is that you are trying to loop a still image? Also, I

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

Is there some trick to uploading these files? The files I make upload, but then fail during processing. I make the files like this: $ /opt/local/bin/ffmpeg -loop 1 -framerate 30 -i cube-1920x960.png -i > AJH_eight-positions-ambix.wav -map 0:v -map 1:a -c:a pcm_s16le > -channel_layout quad -c:v

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We've been running a few tests and I'll be putting more details up on my website when we're happy with the results. 360 Ambisonic VR Tests: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6JlYpSUt3kgtQJou2AfgAVtWA5a6SMO1 The use of wav over aac, by the way, is more to do with ffmpeg messing with the chann

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 17:42:34 +0200 Bo-Erik Sandholm wrote: > Hi > I suspect it could be possible to create a 360 video containing one > cicular/ball panorama with FOA sound and play that via youtube? But only using their Youtube Android app... Those using a non-google-appified Cyagenmod as thei

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* rotate, not pan. On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Ben Bloomberg wrote: > My understanding is that you can use aftereffects to place video on a > sphere which can then be delivered to Youtube. > > http://www.mettle.com/skybox-tutorials/ > > There are some tutorials at the link above. > > If yo

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My understanding is that you can use aftereffects to place video on a sphere which can then be delivered to Youtube. http://www.mettle.com/skybox-tutorials/ There are some tutorials at the link above. If you package one of these videos with ACN/SN3D audio, then when you upload to Youtube, it wou

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Hi I suspect it could be possible to create a 360 video containing one cicular/ball panorama with FOA sound and play that via youtube? Is this possible? if so, which tools to use to create a video to upload. I have foa recordings of my own and panoramas from the recording. Bo-Erik -

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

Aaron Heller wrote: On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 12:14 AM, Trond Lossius wrote: On 20 Apr 2016, at 21:16, Marc Lavallee wrote: I wonder why using uncompressed PCM instead of compressed AAC... Is there a risk of compressed audio altering the phase between the channels, affecting the sp

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Hi Chris. Can you give us more infos about this "open source" object-based platform? Because sometimes, "open source" can mean "mostly closed". Also, PCM (or LCPM) is a lossless format; how can DSD sound better at the same resolution? Are you referring to the format or the hardware? -- Marc On

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DTS-X is based upon an open object codec that SRS labs developed and open sourced,     the decoder  is a proprietary implementation but anyone can make their own decoder. DTS acquired SRS labs to get the technology, it is superior to Dolby Atmos and is scale-able from bin-aural headphones all th

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I could provide an online listening test to compare PCM and LC-AAC (compressed with the FDK-AAC encoder), with a live A-B switch, along with the graphs that Aaron made, so that people with scientifically enhanced golden ears can give some feedback. A blind test would be even better. With the settin

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 12:14 AM, Trond Lossius wrote: > > On 20 Apr 2016, at 21:16, Marc Lavallee wrote: > > > > I wonder why using uncompressed PCM instead of compressed AAC... > > Is there a risk of compressed audio altering the phase between the > channels, affecting the spatial image? > Ma

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> On 20 Apr 2016, at 21:16, Marc Lavallee wrote: > > I wonder why using uncompressed PCM instead of compressed AAC... Is there a risk of compressed audio altering the phase between the channels, affecting the spatial image? Cheers, Trond ___ Sursoun

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

Politis Archontis writes: > > Hi Albert, > > This is interesting! > I don’t have an android and I cannot test it unfortunately. I would like to ask what are you doing with the > B-format? decode it to headphones dynamically? > > Archontis > Hi Archontis, For now, the YouTube app handles the

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

Marc Lavallee writes: > > On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 18:09:40 +0200 > David Pickett wrote: > > > At 17:29 20-04-16, Albert Leusink wrote: > > > > >YouTube is now supporting ACN/SN3D FOA attached to a .mov video > > >container as uncompressed PCM audio. > > > > I am sure I should know, but if th

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David Pickett writes: > > At 18:39 20-04-16, Politis Archontis wrote: > > >Hi David, > > > >if you are asking if the ACN/SN3D FOA is the same as the B-format, > >yes, first-order is the B-format anyway you look at it. > >The B-format in ACN/SN3D convention is the same as in the traditional

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

David Pickett writes: > > At 17:29 20-04-16, Albert Leusink wrote: > > >YouTube is now supporting ACN/SN3D FOA attached to a .mov video container as > >uncompressed PCM audio. > > I am sure I should know, but if this is a multitrack thing, what do > the channels each contain? B format or w

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 18:09:40 +0200 David Pickett wrote: > At 17:29 20-04-16, Albert Leusink wrote: > > >YouTube is now supporting ACN/SN3D FOA attached to a .mov video > >container as uncompressed PCM audio. > > I am sure I should know, but if this is a multitrack thing, what do > the chan

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At 18:39 20-04-16, Politis Archontis wrote: >Hi David, > >if you are asking if the ACN/SN3D FOA is the same as the B-format, >yes, first-order is the B-format anyway you look at it. >The B-format in ACN/SN3D convention is the same as in the traditional >definition without the W scaling and in the

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Hi Albert, This is interesting! I don’t have an android and I cannot test it unfortunately. I would like to ask what are you doing with the B-format? decode it to headphones dynamically? Archontis > On 20 Apr 2016, at 18:29, Albert Leusink wrote: > > Hello all, > > Some welcome news, > > Yo

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Hi David, if you are asking if the ACN/SN3D FOA is the same as the B-format, yes, first-order is the B-format anyway you look at it. The B-format in ACN/SN3D convention is the same as in the traditional definition without the W scaling and in the ACN order: B_ACN_SN3D = [sqrt(2)*W Y Z X]. Re

Re: [Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

At 17:29 20-04-16, Albert Leusink wrote: >YouTube is now supporting ACN/SN3D FOA attached to a .mov video container as >uncompressed PCM audio. I am sure I should know, but if this is a multitrack thing, what do the channels each contain? B format or what? David

[Sursound] YouTube now supports Ambisonics (warning....part advertisement..)

Hello all, Some welcome news, YouTube is now supporting ACN/SN3D FOA attached to a .mov video container as uncompressed PCM audio. This is great, as most of the world gets a lot of their content through YouTube and now they'll all get to experience the power of Ambisonics!. For now, it only wo