Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA?/consider the alternative*

2002-02-15 Thread Dana Linscott
Motie, This is a regulatory matter not a court of law. Innocent till proven guilty only applies in court matters and seldom in day to day business matters. As far as I know no charges are pending and YBD has only been warned that he is producing biodiesel without the proper permits. He applied fo

[biofuel] Re: EPA?/consider the alternative

2002-02-15 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Neoteric Biofuels Inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At first, I sympathized with YBD's plight, a sort of common reaction of > sympathy for the "little guy". I'm still at that stage I guess. I grew up on a Dairy Farm, and I'm glad there was no government agency that

[biofuel] Render Unto Caesar . . .

2002-02-15 Thread robert luis rabello
> > There are two types of citizens in the United States of America. The > > American Citizen (big "C") is one who is a citizen of his State, > > with > > American Citizenship derived from that. The other type is the United > > States > > citizen (small "c") who is a "resident" of the state he

Re: [biofuel]Re:EPA-I hate keeping my opinions to myself.

2002-02-15 Thread Joke Falcon
On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:41:14 -0700 "Arne P. Ryason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There are two types of citizens in the United States of America. The > American Citizen (big "C") is one who is a citizen of his State, > with > American Citizenship derived from that. The other type is the Uni

Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds

2002-02-15 Thread John Harris
Hi George If you go to the link on that post to the actual Ethanol article this discrepancy will be understood - that snip was from a paper listing what can be made from a bushel of corn it gives two examples one results in 1.5lbs of oil one in .7lbs of oil. These figures are very flexible and var

[biofuel] Re: US Senate panel can't reach deal on fuel standards

2002-02-15 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/14512/story.htm > Planet Ark : > The legislation would combine the passenger car and light truck > categories beginning with the 2010 model year. However, heavy-duty > pickup t

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA?/consider the alternative

2002-02-15 Thread rmcphe8888
In a message dated 02/15/2002 2:22:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > If I were to file a complaint against the station down the street, > would they have to shut down until they could prove they were selling > clean fuel? NO Or would I have to provide some evidence befo

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA?/consider the alternative

2002-02-15 Thread fleurderos
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[biofuel] Re: EPA?/consider the alternative

2002-02-15 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dana Linscott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim, > I doubt that this is true. Sloppily made BD can not > only ruin an engine but spew much more crap into the > air than commercial petrodiesel. More importantly > sloppily made commercial BD will ruin the chances of > any s

Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds

2002-02-15 Thread MH
Nicola Smith wrote: I think the oil is just another by-product here. So it is 2.5 gallons of ethanol AND this small amount of oil. I particularly liked the idea that cheese puffs were a by-product of ethanol production! George wrote: Would someone help me out on this. This says that a bushel o

Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds

2002-02-15 Thread rmcphe8888
In a message dated 02/15/2002 12:53:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > 200 feet x 200 feet area in an acre 43,559.63 square feet or 208.7' X 208.7' to be a little more precise. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Ya

[biofuel] Re: self-made vacuum

2002-02-15 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dana Linscott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Motie, > Try using a water well pressure tank instead of a 55 > gal drum. Units that have ruptured the internal > membrane are free and plentiful and often have a port > on the bottom which can be unbolted and the membrane > r

RE: Copper - was Re: [biofuel] Re: Vacumn distillation

2002-02-15 Thread Juan Boveda
About testing BioD with copper, and to avoid the interference of other metals. You could find very easy, a pure source of copper metal, over 99 %. It is a new, clean, soft copper wire used as electrical conductor. Just remove the plastic insulation and rub its surface with some steel knife. Rega

[biofuel] Re: Environmental group releases list of 'green cars'

2002-02-15 Thread motie_d
> >In a market test > > What's a "market test"? A test of the market to see who would buy them. > > >between the Pinzgaur and a Chevy Suburban, which > >would win? My personal choice is still a Chevy Dually 4X4 Ext cab. I > >would hate to think of pulling a 25,000 pound trailer for 500 miles >

Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds

2002-02-15 Thread Harmon Seaver
But is it possible to grow oil palm in the corn belt? Not that I'd grow corn for oil anyway, rapeseed would be much better, but anyway... On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 10:54:59PM -, jmwelter wrote: > Corn has a very low percentage of oil in the seed so 129 lbs over an > acre where the average y

oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds

2002-02-15 Thread jmwelter
Corn has a very low percentage of oil in the seed so 129 lbs over an acre where the average yield in corn is about 150 bushels or 8400 lbs makes corn only about 1-2% oil which means that it is extremely hard to extract. An acre of palm would produce that much since each tree produces bunches

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA?/consider the alternative

2002-02-15 Thread rmcphe8888
You guys...dialogue is good. Keep it positive and as factual as you know it to be, so that you will not lose readers. There is too much good information being exchanged on this site to harm its utility. Richard McPherson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [biofuel]Re:EPA-I hate keeping my opinions to myself.

2002-02-15 Thread rmcphe8888
Arne: To tell you how bad the IRS is...they sent me a bill that was not mine for something just over $293,000. Do you think they have ever said their sorry or better yet sent me a letter to give to the financial community so they would know that I did not really have tax bill? The answer aft

Re: [biofuel] ?Biodiesel from Palm Oil

2002-02-15 Thread Keith Addison
>Can somebody a clue where I can find the information >about making the biodiesel out of palm oil? > >Bambang Mertani >Sumatra Island, Indonesia The link's dead, but you can do a search, or ask them. Continuous Production of Palm Methyl Esters http://www.aocs.org/press/jaocs/jabs1200/j0081200

Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds

2002-02-15 Thread Keith Addison
>Would someone help me out on this. This says that a bushel of corn will > yield 1.5 pounds of corn oil on the top part and .5 pounds a little >farther down. At 56 pounds a bushel, that's 2.6 percent oil for the >higher number and .89 percent oil for the lower number. At the very >bottom it sa

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA?/consider the alternative

2002-02-15 Thread Keith Addison
Dana wrote: >--- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Reference? You keep talking about the scourge of > > sloppily made > > biodiesel and the damage it does, you imply you know > > of blown-up > > engines which people keep quiet about, and now you > > claim that the > > emissions are wor

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA?/consider the alternative

2002-02-15 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc.
At first, I sympathized with YBD's plight, a sort of common reaction of sympathy for the "little guy". But on further reflection, I have to agree with Dana's assessment. It is clear that in highly industrialized countries, regulations exist for everything, and these are often the result of legiti

RE: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds

2002-02-15 Thread Nicola Smith
I think the oil is just another by-product here. So it is 2.5 gallons of ethanol AND this small amount of oil. I particularly liked the idea that cheese puffs were a by-product of ethanol production! Nicola. -Original Message- From: George & Lola Wesel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1

Re: Copper - was Re: [biofuel] Re: Vacumn distillation

2002-02-15 Thread Greg and April
Not to say you did a bad test or anything, but, the new copper / zinc pennies react to alot of chemicals because of the zinc. A better test would have been: 1) An old true copper penny. 2) A clean 1 inch section of copper pipe (better yet). 3) Test all of them at the same time (as well as oth

Re:[biofuel]Re:EPA-I hate keeping my opinions to myself.

2002-02-15 Thread Arne P. Ryason
Dana Linscott wrote: > > Since all "state citizen(s)" are located within the > boundaries of the "United States" they are under the > jurisdiction of the Federal AND State governments and > associated agencies (like the EPA). Arguing that the > Federal Govt. does not have authority over its > c

Copper - was Re: [biofuel] Re: Vacumn distillation

2002-02-15 Thread jim6669jim
I'm not a chemist but I have seen copper react with biodiesel. I placed a US penny ( copper/zinc ) in a pint of biodiesel. In 2 months it turned black. I would test bd on a copper sample before commiting to a copper vessel. Somewhere on the Web I ran across a bd compatibility chart. It listed w

[biofuel] Corn oil (was Re: oilseed content )

2002-02-15 Thread Greg and April
That is something that I never figured out, how do they get oil from something that to my way of thinking is basicly oilless (corn)? Greg H. - Original Message - From: "John Harris" <> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 03:19 Subject: Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds

Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds

2002-02-15 Thread George & Lola Wesel
Would someone help me out on this. This says that a bushel of corn will yield 1.5 pounds of corn oil on the top part and .5 pounds a little farther down. At 56 pounds a bushel, that's 2.6 percent oil for the higher number and .89 percent oil for the lower number. At the very bottom it say

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA?/consider the alternative

2002-02-15 Thread Dana Linscott
--- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Reference? You keep talking about the scourge of > sloppily made > biodiesel and the damage it does, you imply you know > of blown-up > engines which people keep quiet about, and now you > claim that the > emissions are worse than dino-diesel's. I

Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds

2002-02-15 Thread Keith Addison
Gosh, Hoagy, good going! And I've got that VITA paper too... Think I'll add those tables to the Yield tables. Regards Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ >Shukrainternationals wrote: > > >Is there any data available about the oil conte

Woodland B.V - was Re: [biofuel] BioD in Portugal

2002-02-15 Thread Keith Addison
Well, well... Response below, please read carefully. (By the way, Portugal isn't in North-Western Europe.) > Hi James, > Biofuels for transportation purposes in North-Western Europe consists of >2 variations. > 1- Pure plant oil (we call it "solardiesel" as it is stored sun energy !) > 2-

Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds

2002-02-15 Thread MH
Shukrainternationals wrote: > >Is there any data available about the oil content of different oil seeds? > >Any Government body or non-profit organization maintaining this data? Keith Addison wrote: > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html > Vegetable oil yields, characteristics: Journ

[biofuel] Re: oilseed content

2002-02-15 Thread John Harris
I don't know of any commercial plants available in my part of the world - West Aust.I guess if someone has something available here they will reply to this. I think the research going on for rice bran which I posted in reply to your question on paddy husk (11th Feb) would be equally applicable

Re: [biofuel] BioD in Portugal

2002-02-15 Thread Woodland B.V.
- Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: Verzonden: vrijdag 15 februari 2002 14:27 Onderwerp: [biofuel] BioD in Portugal > A pal of mine says that quite a fair amount of BioD is made in > Portugal. Does anyone know anything about this? > Best regs James > > Biofuel at J

Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds

2002-02-15 Thread Shukrainternationals
Thanks John. Is there any small biodiesel units available? Is it possible to make one? If yes, where can I find information? - Original Message - From: "John Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:19 AM Subject: Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed

Re: [biofuel] BioD in Portugal

2002-02-15 Thread Shukrainternationals
If you have any information about Portugal, please let us all know. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 8:27 AM Subject: [biofuel] BioD in Portugal > A pal of mine says that quite a fair amount of BioD is made in > Portugal. Does anyone kn

[biofuel] BioD in Portugal

2002-02-15 Thread milliontc
A pal of mine says that quite a fair amount of BioD is made in Portugal. Does anyone know anything about this? Best regs James Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to:

Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds

2002-02-15 Thread John Harris
Yes I recon you are interpreting it correctly. Corn 129 Pounds of oil per acre = 18 gallons BioD Palm Oil 4465Pounds oil per acre = 635 gallons BioD On a biodiesel basis alone you could never justify growing corn - however if you are throwing the oil away as an unwanted byproduct when you husk th

[biofuel] EPA hassle - letter

2002-02-15 Thread Keith Addison
Forwarded from Tom Leue of Homestead Inc. (Yellow Biodiesel) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.yellowbiodiesel.com Homestead Inc. posted 13 February 2002 10:45 AM To the EPA Here is the text of the proposed correspondence to the EPA from my congressman. Note that he has not agreed to send this on

[biofuels-biz] EPA hassle - letter

2002-02-15 Thread Keith Addison
Forwarded from Tom Leue of Homestead Inc. (Yellow Biodiesel) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.yellowbiodiesel.com Homestead Inc. posted 13 February 2002 10:45 AM To the EPA Here is the text of the proposed correspondence to the EPA from my congressman. Note that he has not agreed to send this on

[biofuel] EPA hassle - forum

2002-02-15 Thread Keith Addison
There's also much discussion of this issue at Biodiesel Discussion Forum (the Maui Board). http://biodiesel.infopop.net/ See Biodiesel > General Biodiesel Discussion > USA EPA and BioD Here's the url, not sure of it'll work though: http://biodiesel.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=465094322&f=07

[biofuels-biz] EPA hassle - forum

2002-02-15 Thread Keith Addison
There's also much discussion of this issue at Biodiesel Discussion Forum (the Maui Board). http://biodiesel.infopop.net/ See Biodiesel > General Biodiesel Discussion > USA EPA and BioD Here's the url, not sure of it'll work though: http://biodiesel.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=465094322&f=07