[biofuel] Re: Last word on forests

2002-12-15 Thread Prairie Dog
Very well said, Hakan! And yes, I did know that Motie was talking of his own forest and experience, but no, I didn't catch Keith's note with the info on it from Wilderness Society. Being on the Digest version, I sometimes read things in reverse order.. :-) I, too, have often wondered if humans w

Re: [biofuels-biz] skin on biodiesel

2002-12-15 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Paul, Michael How do you maintain the heat during the processing hour, Paul? You're using an aqueous solution of catalyst to make methoxide? Wouldn't draining off the glycerine as soon as possible also drain off some excess methanol? And doesn't severe emulsification during washing indicat

Re: [biofuel] Last word on forests

2002-12-15 Thread Hakan Falk
Dear Joel, This information was provided earlier by Keith as an argument on this issues. Since it is the round for last word, I like to clarify my understanding of the discussion. Motie who is deeply involved with forest management in the area where he lives, have some local and particular prob

[biofuel] Last word on forests

2002-12-15 Thread Prairie Dog
Sorry to dredge up an old thread, but I just came across this in The Wilderness Society's magazine for 2002-2003: "Some politicians maintain that conservation groups profess to support forest thinning and other preventative measures but then appeal the lion's share of the actual plans.Yet in

Re: [biofuels-biz] Hemp Fuel Conspiracy?

2002-12-15 Thread Appal Energy
Why not? > I also wonder about farming (i.e., if a Hemp farmer could make just > enough to forestall having to go off-farm for fuel, if this could be > worth it to him, just for his own fuel needs... probably not.) - Original Message - From: murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: Sent: Su

Re: [biofuels-biz] skin on biodiesel

2002-12-15 Thread rpg
- Original Message - From: Michael Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] skin on biodiesel > Thanks Paul, > > I'll try to follow that up. > > Currently in Thailand, we wash the BD made from stearin with almost indecent > haste. > > Of course, if the skin comes from near

Re: Radiant heating with (bioD or WVO-fired) radiators (was Re: [biofuel]Steel roofing plus other building links -(Wasembodied energy)

2002-12-15 Thread robert luis rabello
craig reece wrote: > Heating with biodiesel or SVO would involve a diesel coolant heater, and > I'm in the beginning stages of calculating how large a unit I'd need, > but I suspect that a diesel coolant heater would work if it had same > BTU's that a hydronic heating engineer or contractor wou

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Hakan Falk
I have my doubts that it can be used in that way. Maybe on ready surfaces, but during the building process? Hakan At 05:19 PM 12/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: >At 02:22 PM 12/15/2002, you wrote: > > >Linseed oil as concrete sealer: > >http://www.flaxcouncil.

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Hakan Falk
I have a problem with this, is it anyone who can point me to the referred testing program. Humus is normally the most dangerous enemy of the strengthening of concrete. In the past I have many times seen this and wonder how the humus in linseed oil can be offset and how it works. The company t

Re: [biofuel] More on Catalytic Converters

2002-12-15 Thread Keith Addison
Diesel Oxidation Catalyst PM emissions from diesel engines are composed of carbonaceous particles, a soluble organic fraction (SOF), sulfates and adsorbed water. Oxidation catalysts reduce the SOF fraction and have little effect on the carbonaceous portion of PM in diesel exhaust. This limits

[biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Hemp Fuel Conspiracy?

2002-12-15 Thread murdoch
Thanks Tim. Many good things, and I was looking for this part about co-products, which I was glad to see you did get in. I was not aware that it was so accepted that co-products are what is relatively more profitable from a barrel of oil. I also wonder about farming (i.e., if a Hemp farmer coul

Re: [biofuels-biz] Hemp Fuel Conspiracy?

2002-12-15 Thread murdoch
Thanks Tim. Many good things, and I was looking for this part about co-products, which I was glad to see you did get in. I was not aware that it was so accepted that co-products are what is relatively more profitable from a barrel of oil. I also wonder about farming (i.e., if a Hemp farmer coul

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Grahams
At 02:22 PM 12/15/2002, you wrote: >Linseed oil as concrete sealer: >http://www.flaxcouncil.ca/flaxind7.htm prevents the breakdown of reinforcing steel. So an interesting idea would be to coat your rebar with oil before pouring your concrete. Then also

Re: [biofuels-biz] Things Therrmodynamic

2002-12-15 Thread Steve Spence
actually, engines will run on a fairly low proof alcohol. as low as 160 or so. only when making gasohol do you need "anhydrous" ethanol. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

[biofuel] Key actors in the palm oil business could save Indonesian forests, new WWF report says

2002-12-15 Thread Keith Addison
http://panda.org/news_facts/newsroom/press_releases/news.cfm?uNewsID=4 94311, Dec 2002 Key actors in the palm oil business could save Indonesian forests, new WWF report says Download WWF's report on oil palm plantations in Indonesia (1034kb Acrobat file) http://www.panda.org/downloads/forests

[biofuels-biz] Key actors in the palm oil business could save Indonesian forests, new WWF report says

2002-12-15 Thread Keith Addison
http://panda.org/news_facts/newsroom/press_releases/news.cfm?uNewsID=4 94311, Dec 2002 Key actors in the palm oil business could save Indonesian forests, new WWF report says Download WWF's report on oil palm plantations in Indonesia (1034kb Acrobat file) http://www.panda.org/downloads/forests

RE: [biofuel] cold weather starting - No starting fluid!

2002-12-15 Thread harley3
It was a very cold day, and the engine was cranking very slow. That's when I remembered the story, how my father use to start an old diesel tractor with starting fluid. Heck if I remember how much fluid I used, but it was to much. I let the glow plugs warm up, and tried to start the engine. It

RE: [biofuel] Diesel Sawmill

2002-12-15 Thread desertstallion
My personal opinion is that for most applications along these lines you should get electric machinery and then run it from a biodiesel powered generator. It is a lot more flexible. For example, I have been looking at oil press machinery and at first thought I would want to power it directly with a

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
Linseed oil as concrete sealer: http://www.flaxcouncil.ca/flaxind7.htm On Sunday, December 15, 2002, at 09:23 AM, Greg and April wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Grahams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 09:20 > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing p

Re: [biofuels-biz] skin on biodiesel

2002-12-15 Thread Michael Allen
Thanks Paul, I'll try to follow that up. Currently in Thailand, we wash the BD made from stearin with almost indecent haste. Of course, if the skin comes from near the BD/glycerol interface, we should suspect methanol evaporating from the glycerol. So is the skin on the top of the BD or re

[biofuels-biz] Things Therrmodynamic

2002-12-15 Thread Michael Allen
Hi Murdoch, >Ad hoc comment: > >One of the issues that tugs at me when I have seen recent "debate" (or >quasi-science or shouting) over whether some of the biofuels are >"sustainable" is that the fuel itself, if it is a relatively simple >standardizeable not-horrifically-toxic chemical, is a some

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodied energy)

2002-12-15 Thread Hakan Falk
Dear Caroline, Then it was not the copper pipes, so it must have been joints, or he refilled the floor frequently. Copper pipes in tap water with 0.6 mm thickness have average life span of 15 years, 1 mm thickness 40 years. In a heating system with circulating water the 0.6 mm also have average

Re: [biofuel] More on Catalytic Converters

2002-12-15 Thread martin
Get one off of a recently crashed car perhaps? bruce_leininger wrote: >Thanks for the info. I've checked up on price for a Catalytic Converter for >an >'85 Golf . . . $200+ . . . so how do you know if the one in the junkyard is >still >good? :-) > >Also, if anybody knows anything about dies

Re: [biofuel] Radiant heating (was: steel roofing)

2002-12-15 Thread Doug Foskey
> What do you folks think? (BTW, there sure seems to be a lot of expertise in > this group on the subject of house construction! Please keep it > coming... :-)) > Maybe should rename: Energy conscious Biodiesel?? We just are alternative thinkers, thats all. Doug Biofuel at Journey to

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Doug Foskey
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 03:20, you wrote: > At 01:34 AM 12/15/2002, you wrote: > >I let my wife read this because I couldn't understand why anyone would get > >a floor so wet that it would even have an opportunity to drain, and she > >couldn't understand this either! I clean all the floors at home us

Re: [biofuel] More on Catalytic Converters

2002-12-15 Thread Steve Spence
part of our yearly inspection is an emissions test. is this what you are referring to? any car in the wrecking yard with less than 50k miles should have a functioning cat converter. new ones are $70 High-flow brick-style ceramic catalyst with 400 cells per square inch. Stainless steel shell and

[biofuel] More on Catalytic Converters

2002-12-15 Thread bruce_leininger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Thanks for the info. I've checked up on price for a Catalytic Converter for an '85 Golf . . . $200+ . . . so how do you know if the one in the junkyard is still good? :-) Also, if anybody knows anything about diesel smog checks . . . Thanks! Bruce --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Sp

Radiant heating with (bioD or WVO-fired) radiators (was Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Wasembodied energy)

2002-12-15 Thread craig reece
Caroline, We're planning on heating our house with hydronic (hot water) radiators - plumbed with copper under the (wood) subfloor. Obviously not an option for you - you've already got a hydronically-heated slab. I'm hoping to heat the water with biodiesel or WVO. There are several companies that

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: "Grahams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 09:20 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy) > We have dark grey colored > concrete and applied various finishes after it was dry-(once again

Re: [biofuel] Radiant heating (was: steel roofing)

2002-12-15 Thread Ken Provost
Robert writes: > > I cringed at all the concrete we used building this house. My only >philosophical relief comes from knowing that we wasted very little >concrete, whereas a lot drywall, vinyl siding (another compromise >to suit local building guidelines) and other materials went to the >landf

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodied energy)

2002-12-15 Thread Grahams
At 01:01 AM 12/15/2002, you wrote: >Graham, > >Did you already built your new house? Leaking floor in concrete, I >hope that you did not install copper pipes in it. It was a long time, >around 30 years, since I heard anyone do this. The unfortunate old man did have copper I think, installed about

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Grahams
At 01:34 AM 12/15/2002, you wrote: >I let my wife read this because I couldn't understand why anyone would get >a floor so wet that it would even have an opportunity to drain, and she >couldn't understand this either! I clean all the floors at home using a small >vacuum cleaner to get rid of dust

Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 431

2002-12-15 Thread Thor Skov
--- biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com wrote: Message: 1 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:22:36 +0800 From: Marc de Piolenc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Taxes are GOOD for you! >"Following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, the Wall Street Journal (9/10/90) reported on >why Japan has been so much more succe

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Hakan Falk
Doug, I am happy to hear that it works well. Many of this kind of building techniques are proven during many hundreds of years. If you have respect for physical laws and understand how they work, they are all low energy houses. They are also more comfortable than many of constructions invented t

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Doug Foskey
> I have 30 years experience from those special pipes, stands for 98 degree > Celsius or more. It can be white / yellow also. > If you do this, do not ever connect it to any septic system, since the > necessary water locks dries out fast in heated floor. Smells bad and it is > hard to believe th

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Hakan Falk
At 10:34 PM 12/14/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Grahams wrote: > > > While I am pleased thus far with the performance of my radiant floors, I am > > not sure I would get it again, especially in concrete. I would prefer to > > have more access to the pipe . > > We discussed this issue in depth dur