Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread mark manchester
Of course it wasn't then a written document but an oral tradition and a model of a working democracy from which the founding fathers drew more than heavily Jess > From: Walt Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:41:04 -0800 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >

Re: [Biofuel] Splenda/sucralose toxic

2005-02-16 Thread John Hayes
Dear Eagle, I was not advocating the use of the little pink packets that contain saccahrin which indeed is a carcinogenic. Splenda comes in yellow packets. As far a reading about food products on the internet I'll trust the Center for Science in the Public Interest, before I'll listen to someone

[Biofuel] Minnesota Seeks 20 Percent Biofuels Requirement

2005-02-16 Thread Dave Shaw
URL: http://www.newrules.org/de/archives/36.html January 28, 2005 Minnesota Seeks 20 Percent Biofuels Requirement The state of Minnesota is considering adopting a stricter mandate for biofuels content in the state's gasoline supplies. A handful of bills have been introduced at the legisl

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto...

2005-02-16 Thread mark manchester
YAY!!! Thanks for the blow by blow, so exciting, Keith. Dazzling pleasure to see this. We absorb and assemble... Cheers, -Jesse > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 06:12:45 +0900 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Biofuel] Kyoto...

[Biofuel] anyone surprised?

2005-02-16 Thread John Guttridge
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[Biofuel] Kyoto...

2005-02-16 Thread Keith Addison
which has lent its name to the Kyoto Protocol, which finally after seven years became official yesterday, 16 February 2005. From the AP coverage at CNN: The agreement, negotiated in Japan's ancient capital of Kyoto in 1997 and ratified, accepted, approved or assented by 141 nations includin

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread Walt Patrick
Has anyone else ever seen a copy of the Six Nations Constitution? It's hard to imagine that any such document could exist. The agreement was formulated sometime between 1200 and 1500, long before the Six Nations had a way to write such an agreement down. Any document prepared in mod

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol stove and barbeque

2005-02-16 Thread Anti-Fossil
Ethanol vapor? Am I the only one looking for a hole in the ground around here? I'm taking the pup's down the hole with me John, just in case! Seriously, I am building BBQ's to earn some "extra" money this year. (Whatever extra money means???) I would like to offer you an alternative to your cu

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread Appal Energy
author would prefer. First, if the author is going to give references, how about not giving an entire littany of books. And notice the source of the littany no less. No bias or bent there, eh? Generally page and paragraph are sufficient. Leave it to those who would like to further indoctrinate

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread Michael Redler
Hi Stephan, Gruss Gott I concur. I can also relate to what you are saying. Christian symbols in government (like in Bavaria) are everywhere. I happened to be in Vienna on Ash Wednesday a few years ago. I counted the percentage of people who have been to mass that day (easy to do on Ash Wed

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread Fred Finch
Keith et. al., When you quote Frank Zappa from the first Frank Zappa album I ever purchased and listened to from beginning to end (rinse, repeat,) it reminds me that when folks start publically espouse their faith, keep one hand on your wallet and the other on your wife (or husband.) They want

[Biofuel] ethanol stove and barbeque

2005-02-16 Thread John Wilson
>An ethanol BBQ ? You do know what you are >doing right ? This is not a gas >gas, it is a liquid gas, like gasoline, and in fact can >be substituted for gasoline in many applications. (REPLY) Nope! I don't know what I am doing this is all experimentation. If I ever get a chance to try it. I plan

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread Keith Addison
> >Did George Bush Lie About America Being Founded on Christian Principles? >By Gary DeMar > Its interesting to note that this article makes the very foolish leap from god to jesus. God is referenced several times but jesus is only refernced 3 times and the author claims that the words lord

Re: [Biofuel] Re: BioD test batch

2005-02-16 Thread Keith Addison
You are awfully quick to assume something is bad based on its name. Not quick, certainly not awfully so - slow and exceedingly patient, in this case, despite immense provocation, but it came to an end eventually, as it had to. Why do you say it's quick? What do you know about the backgrou

Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making

2005-02-16 Thread Andrew Cunningham
You should be able to use the left over lye in the glycerin layer to make soap, but it may end up have way too much glycerin in it and end up be drying for the skin. Andy On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 02:40:12 -0500, Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Glycerin can be added to any soap. But it can't

Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Bill in VA

2005-02-16 Thread Jerry T Van Horn
Tried my first 1 liter test batch using new soy oil, biggest problem seemed to be drawing off the oil after washing without getting some of the white stuff, will try different method. Second batch was using dark, over used , cruddy wvo. PH meter read 5.34 so used 8.34 grams lye in 200ml

[Biofuel] Biofuel bill

2005-02-16 Thread Simon Fowler MADUR-SALES
fuel and replaces teh sulphur compounds in that way. Using straight biodiesel can be a problem in that it cleans all the muck off the inside of the tank and blocks the filters when first used. The problem is short-term. When the muck is cleaned off, then the biodiesel is as clean as any stand

Re: [Biofuel] Re: BioD test batch

2005-02-16 Thread Andrew Cunningham
Keith, You are awfully quick to assume something is bad based on its name. What do you know about the Dr Pepper method to be condemning so quickly? Andy On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:04:35 +0900, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Thank you > > > >(snip) > > > >>I will cross reference your m

Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making

2005-02-16 Thread Andrew Cunningham
Paul, Do you mean glycerin or the glycerin layer as there is a big difference? Andy On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:19:28 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > can some glycerin be added to new oil to make a soap? > Farmer Paul > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _

[Biofuel] Ethanol from glycerin

2005-02-16 Thread JD2005
Anybody achieved this the result of the absolute alcohol process? JD2005 P.S. I saw a Duralog product for sale at our local hardware store, here in Banbury near Oxford, UK.Easy to light burns for two hours!I was reminded of the milk carton, wood shavings and glycerin log detailed at Jfe,

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread stephan torak
with your truly excellent discourse on the American heritage. I am a naturalized citizen, from Austria, and I studied things American in great quantity at our University in Vienna before I finally came over here in the hand luggage of a liberal school teacher from California. I became a US

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread robert luis rabello
Its interesting to note that this article makes the very foolish leap from god to jesus. There are problems with the article my sister sent to me, as there were with Brooke Allen's essay, but from the perspective of a mainstream Christian, equating Jesus with God would not be among them.

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread DHAJOGLO
>http://www.americanvision.org/articlearchive/02-09-05.asp > >Did George Bush Lie About America Being Founded on Christian Principles? >By Gary DeMar > Its interesting to note that this article makes the very foolish leap from god to jesus. God is referenced several times but jesus is only refe

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread Ken Provost
on 2/15/05 11:04 PM, Keith Addison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I think I'd not be alone in that, when someone says they're a > Christian, I'd want to know what kind of Christian - an unknown, > variable factor indeed. If I didn't know that, "X-tian" might be > rather apt. "He's religious, h

Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making

2005-02-16 Thread Appal Energy
Glycerol is an alcohol. Fats/oils are required to make soap. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making can some glycerin be ad

Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Bill in VA

2005-02-16 Thread grahams
Hello Caroline, Thanks for the post, but I have to admit to being completely in the dark as to what was actually done. Maybe you can help. Is there a section that you can point me to that "summarizes" what they actually voted against? Or was it simply a matter of voting against voting for no

[Biofuel] Re: BioD test batch

2005-02-16 Thread Keith Addison
(snip) I will cross reference your methoxide mix with my numbers as I have undertaken the same experiments comparing different processes (batch, two stage, acid base). However, from my experiences, my biod is cloudy after 1 hour of stiring but will settle out rather well over night (12+ h

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread Keith Addison
G'day Hakan; - Original Message - From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution Luc, Sorry but my earlier reply was sent by itself and without following comment. You are right,

Re: [Biofuel] Rice Husks, email wWas Perlite, was Soap & aerated concrete

2005-02-16 Thread Keith Addison
Keith: I checked the California Rice Commission website http://www.calrice.org/a5_ricestraw.htm and only found an arctile on "rice straw". Looks like "rice straw" also in need of alternative uses cause they used to "burn it" but affected air quality. It's easy to find uses for straw, easy to

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Test batch no. 2

2005-02-16 Thread Lars Andersson
Thank You for the reply Todd. Hmmm i might not have been very clear about what happened. Data about titration and some pictures of it all is here: http://user.tninet.se/~qrg733j/Krympta/Snoddastest_1.html The fluff appeared when i shaked the "wash test" (violent shake of BD with water) bottle

Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making

2005-02-16 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
can some glycerin be added to new oil to make a soap? Farmer Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ___

[Biofuel] New member introduction

2005-02-16 Thread D. Mindock
I've been lurking and reading the messages for several months. It was my original intention to set up the biodiesel refining equipment in our garage, but the wife says "No way." So I will do the next best thing and buy biodiesel from a local producer. He says he can deliver to my house for

Re: [Biofuel] question's

2005-02-16 Thread dab007
hello luc, you scared me at first,thanks for the info. now i just need to find somewhere to buy from, thanks dina -- Original message -- > G'day Dina; > > You can't. The car is crap, but I will gladly take it off your hands :-) > Just is jest. Good car, by the way. >

Re: [Biofuel] Re: US Diesel Options

2005-02-16 Thread dab007
hi, would this also pertain to a 300sd turbo diesel 1980 and by the way my mechanic did the tweak thing and my old girl has some getty -up-go! dina -- Original message -- > G'day Chris; > > Word to the wise; when you start burning B100 in your benz be aware that > t

[Biofuel] Cutting biodiesel

2005-02-16 Thread Chris Bennett
oils available for process in my area are solid oils which after processing freeze at even moderate temperatures. I have been performing tests in my vehicle and find it acceptable to run 50% mix with pump diesel. The only time I tried a lower pump diesel percentage unfortunately coincided wit

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread B. Nostrand
i suppose you have a problem with christmas being spelled with an X as well. you know XMAS! i never thought it was intended as any form of denegration. seems we're awfully sensitive here...rbury - Original Message - From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tues

[Biofuel] BioD test batch

2005-02-16 Thread Dana Knight
Thank you (snip) I will cross reference your methoxide mix with my numbers as I have undertaken the same experiments comparing different processes (batch, two stage, acid base). However, from my experiences, my biod is cloudy after 1 hour of stiring but will settle out rather well over night

[Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution ~ Expanded

2005-02-16 Thread knoton
Gary DeMar is one of the founding crackpots of "Christian Reconstructionism" or "Christian Dominionism." "AmericanVision.org" is one of the main sites for that movement. Here are some excerpts from some of that movement's articles, speeches, and books quoted in a report: Ê By Katherine Yurica Se

Re: [Biofuel] Re: US Diesel Options

2005-02-16 Thread Anti-Fossil
Hi Chris, Legal Eagle and Luc are one and the same, two peas in a pod, different sides of the same coin. So you weren't as far off as you thought you were, now were ya! AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tues

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread Kirk McLoren
It is worse than that See http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/7laws.html The U.S. Congress officially recognized the Noahide Laws in legislation which was passed by both houses. Congress and the President of the United States, George Bush, indicated in Public Law 102-14, 102nd Congress, that the United

[Biofuel] Re: US Diesel Options

2005-02-16 Thread Chris
From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry Legal Eagle, I directed my question to Luc instead of you. I am just getting to know you all. This is an amazing community, it is not as 'virtual' as I expected. Chris Kueny ___ Biofuel mailing l

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread robert luis rabello
A breath of fresh air -- thanks! Having been an unabashed atheist for 90% of my long life, it's great to know that my hero Tom Jefferson wasn't even a real Deist (as I've always been taught), much less an X-tian like our rulers would have you believe. 'Course Tom has almost been drummed out o

[Biofuel] Re:US Diesel Options

2005-02-16 Thread Chris
one locally in South Carolina. I posted it because I thought someone on the list might find it attractive. Word to the wise; when you start burning B100 in your benz be aware that there is a screen sediment filter *inside* the tank that will gum up with the loosening crud from the dino. It l

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread Ken Provost
on 2/15/05 5:24 PM, knoton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You can google the same same criteria {dominionism and "christian > reconstructionism"} as mentioned earlier, but specify "death penalty" > and see what they intend to do with that ~both by expanding the list of > crimes eligible, and the

[Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread knoton
Dave, Bingo! That's my read on it. To be more specific, they want "THEIR god's law" (that god of Judaism and Christianity) to be the law of the land. You can google the same same criteria {dominionism and "christian reconstructionism"} as mentioned earlier, but specify "death penalty" and see

[Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread knoton
Using "X" as shorthand for "cross" and by extension "Christ" is not universally offensive among Christians. I see it used for both X-tians and X-mas by other practicing Christians. That this abbreviation offends your particular Christian cult is your personal problem by your personal choice. I

[Biofuel] Objectivity

2005-02-16 Thread Legal Eagle
therefore I wish to express my sincere appologies to the list for this. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archi

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-16 Thread Legal Eagle
- Original Message - From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution Luc, Sorry but my earlier reply was sent by itself and without following comment. You are right, but I