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> On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:05:12 -0400, you wrote:
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> >I have 40 acres, 20 of which is tillable fields. I'm considering starting
a
> >co-op, intentional community f
On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:05:12 -0400, you wrote:
>I have 40 acres, 20 of which is tillable fields. I'm considering starting a
>co-op, intentional community for biofuels and sustainable agriculture. If
>anyone is interested in upstate NY, drop me a line.
Approx. where in upstate NY? I have a friend
ead about Sustainable Technology:
http://www.green-trust.org
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From: "Ken Provost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:51 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: The Debate Over Diesel
Motie writes:
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> I am currently worki
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> On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, motie_d wrote:
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> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael S Briggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > One of
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael S Briggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> If you want more info on his setup, let me know and I can put you
in touch
> with him. They have a webpage for the group, but not much
information on
> it yet.
>
> Mike
Mike,
I am definitely interested in his pro
Whats the webpage?
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From: "Michael S Briggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: The Debate Over Diesel
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> On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, motie_d wrote:
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> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mic
I to would be interested in the info.
Greg H.
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From: "Michael S Briggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 16:04
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: The Debate Over Diesel
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> If you want more info on his setup, let me know and
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, motie_d wrote:
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael S Briggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > >
> > One of our chemical engineering professors here at UNH recently
> completed
> > a project on making (what he calls) bio-oil from wood waste, for
> home
> > heating in the New
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael S Briggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> One of our chemical engineering professors here at UNH recently
completed
> a project on making (what he calls) bio-oil from wood waste, for
home
> heating in the New England area.
>
> Mike
I assume he is using a
Thanks, this is very good stuff, give me a few days to work on it.
>
>I can't offer my own data yet, but here's a few others who can:
>http://forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=217
>
>For energy density, see
>http://www.ott.doe.gov/biofuels/renewable_diesel.html
>On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, murdoch wrote:
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> > but I must admit that
> > what I do question would be to get a handle, down the road, as to
>how *much*
> > fuel this whole system could sustain over a very long period of time, in
> > conjunction with healthy sustainable food production. As a
>matter o
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, motie_d wrote:
> I am in total agreement about using nearly anything else in place of
> Soy for Oil, and Corn for Ethanol.
> However, in the current situation, it is better to make Etahnol and
> Oil from them instead of leaving them to rot for lack of market. It's
> kind of
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, murdoch wrote:
> but I must admit that
> what I do question would be to get a handle, down the road, as to how *much*
> fuel this whole system could sustain over a very long period of time, in
> conjunction with healthy sustainable food production. As a matter of degree,
> t
Michael S Briggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:45 AM
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> On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, motie_d wrote:
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> > Just my personal opinion, but I think Diesels will become much more
> > acceptabl
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> What a great idea! That rotation could probably include even more
> oilseeds. I'm looking hard at safflower. Canola is nice oil for
> biodiesel, but the plant itself may be sort of a "sensitive"
bugger --
> kinda the "Toy Fre
Motie writes:
>
> I am currently working on a proposal to use Rye and Barley
>in a crop rotation plan with Suger Beets, with Canola/Rape seed
>on the side.
>Primary products to be Ethanol and Canola oil with a distinct
>possibilty of Ethyl Ester Biodiesel. Marketable by-products would
>be DDG an
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael S Briggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
SNIP
> If petro diesel and gasoline cost $3 a gallon, then more
> people wouldn't mind paying the $2.20 or so a gallon to buy
biodiesel made
> from soy. Hopefully then more companies would start making
>> I've been 'involved' locally with net-metering and grid interties. I
>> don't see any bright prospects there, unless you just ignore all the
>> regs and just hook up quietly without permissions. Try not to feed
>> back much more than whatever increased amounts you can use. Keep your
>> Net mont
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, motie_d wrote:
> And if Bush would take that initiative, the Dems would be all over
> him for the slightest failure of any one of the proposed programs as
> a waste of taxpayer money, and a favor to his rich buddies in
> Detroit, whether he has any or not.
> Liberal College
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The Bush Administration's lack of urgent action on a dozen fronts on
> reducing foreign petroleum dependencies, insofar as it is an obvious and
> critical economic and military strategic issue, is *stunning*. It is
> unethical. It is a political a
Hello MM
>'>So, no problem producing the crops for ethanol, SVO or biodiesel, and
> >the entire operation can easily be powered on biofuels or
> >by-products. That would include such integrated prodedures as using
> >the DDG from ethanol production as livestock feed, the livestock
> >manure produ
Hello MM
>'>So, no problem producing the crops for ethanol, SVO or biodiesel, and
> >the entire operation can easily be powered on biofuels or
> >by-products. That would include such integrated prodedures as using
> >the DDG from ethanol production as livestock feed, the livestock
> >manure produ
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, motie_d wrote:
> Just my personal opinion, but I think Diesels will become much more
> acceptable when we have better fuel to run in them.
We do - biodiesel. :) Unfortuntely, it's not available at pumps in many
places, so those of us who want to use it have to either make o
>So, no problem producing the crops for ethanol, SVO or biodiesel, and
>the entire operation can easily be powered on biofuels or
>by-products. That would include such integrated prodedures as using
>the DDG from ethanol production as livestock feed, the livestock
>manure producing biogas for
>So, no problem producing the crops for ethanol, SVO or biodiesel, and
>the entire operation can easily be powered on biofuels or
>by-products. That would include such integrated prodedures as using
>the DDG from ethanol production as livestock feed, the livestock
>manure producing biogas for
MM wrote:
>Did I read correctly somewhere in one of these conversations: it will be 2007
>before we have low-sulfur diesel fuel? Or is that a state-to-state issue?
IIRC new EPA requirements for low-sulfur diesel (cutting sulfur by
97%) come into effect in 2007.
>If
>so, that is *way* too long
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> If it can be shown that more widespread use of diesel and diesel
engines
> decreases petroleum dependency and improves access to a domestic
alt-fuel
> (biodiesel), then it becomes a war issue and a matter of greater
u
>> that convinced Dingell that that was not true. A big part of getting
>> diesels to start becoming more mainstream will just be the public
>learning
>> that there have been advances in diesel engine technology, and when
>run on
>> ULSD (or preferably biodiesel), they don't have the "big black
>> that convinced Dingell that that was not true. A big part of getting
>> diesels to start becoming more mainstream will just be the public
>learning
>> that there have been advances in diesel engine technology, and when
>run on
>> ULSD (or preferably biodiesel), they don't have the "big black
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael S Briggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Keith Addison wrote:
>
> > I get the sense things are changing somewhat with diesels anyway,
> > there seems to be some movement, some momentum gathering. For
> > instance, Kerry's rather mild pro-diese
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> Not enough debate. More than there was, and a legislative push by
> John Dingell, but still not enough. US 1%, Germany 37% - which
> Liedtke says would be the case in the US too if consumers were
given
> a choice.
>
> h
All right then, I apologize for what was apparently an over-reaction and a
misdirected-reaction. I think I interpreted a couple of your posts as seeming
to make clear that you thought my own points were run-on total crud. But it was
apparently more the topic and what you perceive as over-doing i
All right then, I apologize for what was apparently an over-reaction and a
misdirected-reaction. I think I interpreted a couple of your posts as seeming
to make clear that you thought my own points were run-on total crud. But it was
apparently more the topic and what you perceive as over-doing i
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If all that you can come up with, in response to what I write, is malevolent
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If you think that what I write is nonense and that you
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If all that you can come up with, in response to what I write, is malevolent
filth, then I ask that you killfile me through your email client.
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On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have yet to see an article which makes the matter clear, except one or
> two articles which pointed out that PNGV vehicles which came close to 80
> mpg on diesel were sort of cheating (though the matter was often
> glossed-over.)
Cheating? How?
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Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:58 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: The Debate Over Diesel
> >> >Certainly, no one argues
>> >Certainly, no one argues with international automotive test
>> >findings that better fuel economy can be had with diesel/electric
>> >hybrids than with gasoline/electric hybrid vehicles.
>>
>> I do most certainly argue with this. I measure mileage by
>> miles-per-unit-energy, and on that basi
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