wn and out of most anything. Besides for the most part I
think
> >there is alot of postureing going on in an attempt to get the UN to be
what
> >it was intended to be instead of the impotent institution that it has
been.
> >So if I am right then those of you afraid of the US "
>Keith: After working in over 30 countries, I find it does no good to even
>read what most people rant about what they think is going on in the world.
>Richard
I've probably lived in that many countries, don't know, lost count.
Nonetheless, you're the one who's ranting. Your view of Mandela is
I think we cleared many of the controversial things, so I will only take a
few points.
At 03:21 PM 10/3/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Hakan Falk wrote:
>
> > You are really expanding on this issue. US have done a lot for the world
> > and should have all the credits for it too. U
Keith: After working in over 30 countries, I find it does no good to even
read what most people rant about what they think is going on in the world.
Richard
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Michael, gets your "facts" straight, will you, even if you'll never
figure out what they might mean. All your hopeless misinterpretations
aside, you've just confused Zambia and Zimbabwe in a previous post,
now you're giving as a completely distorted version of something that
happened in Pakist
RMcphe werote:
>In a message dated 10/03/2002 10:38:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>
> > "US threatens world peace, says Mandela"
>
>Gentlemen: Look at the source, a convicted bomber and Marxist himself. Also
>a
> > close friend of Bill Clintons. Richard
> >
AAAR
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Hakan Falk wrote:
> You are really expanding on this issue. US have done a lot for the world
> and should have all the credits for it too. US have also earned a lot from
> the world too and the world should have credit for that. Despite or maybe
> because that US is a melting
In a message dated 10/03/2002 10:38:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> "US threatens world peace, says Mandela"
Gentlemen: Look at the source, a convicted bomber and Marxist himself. Also
a
> close friend of Bill Clintons. Richard
>
>
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Yes, yes, yes, Michael, whatever you say, Michael. Sad that you're
left with little but sneers and sarcasm, along with the usual
predictable crap. Sad too to be so predictable. PL480 grain, a boon
to the world? Gimme a break! You know NOTHING about these matters,
except prejudice. Your views o
of the US "going it alone" don't
>have to worry.
>
>
>
>
>- Original Message -----
>From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:26 PM
>Subject: Re: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled...
>
>
Dear Mike,
You are really expanding on this issue. US have done a lot for the world
and should have all the credits for it too. US have also earned a lot from
the world too and the world should have credit for that. Despite or maybe
because that US is a melting pot of ethnic backgrounds, it h
>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled...
>
> I thought that the modern free, democratic societies was based on a sense
> of justice and law. Maybe Plato had all the rights to disbelief the
> democracy when Socrates was sentenced to
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Keith Addison wrote:
> > > You've
> > > swallowed the party line, and the hook and the sinker too, and, as
> > > always, it'll be others who'll choke on it.
> >
> >You have the right to believe that.
>
> I try not to believe things, all it means is a lack of information,
> an
Dear Mike,
I also think it is enough and UN and the law with US as police is not a
very good example anyway. I only want to set a few facts straight. Because
if US is the police in this region and UN resolutions laws, it has been
laws there for 35+ years and the police are not doing anything
>Keith,
>
>I'm almost afraid to ask ... what do ya think about
>me?? (LOL)
>
>I will admit, I certainly lack the travel-the-world
>experience that you have. My experience mainly stems
>from my observations ... then striving to "think on my
>own". Hope I've been doing (at least) "OK".
>
>Curtis
Keith,
I'm almost afraid to ask ... what do ya think about
me?? (LOL)
I will admit, I certainly lack the travel-the-world
experience that you have. My experience mainly stems
from my observations ... then striving to "think on my
own". Hope I've been doing (at least) "OK".
Curtis
--- Keith A
>On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Keith Addison wrote:
>
> > I'm not going to argue with you any more Mike, no point.
>
>I agree - no point in arguing further.
>
> > You've
> > swallowed the party line, and the hook and the sinker too, and, as
> > always, it'll be others who'll choke on it.
>
>You have the rig
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Keith Addison wrote:
> I'm not going to argue with you any more Mike, no point.
I agree - no point in arguing further.
> You've
> swallowed the party line, and the hook and the sinker too, and, as
> always, it'll be others who'll choke on it.
You have the right to believe
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Hakan Falk wrote:
> This with preemptive strikes is so dangerous for the whole world, that I
> sincerely hope that it does not happens.
I agree - I hope that we don't attack Iraq. I hope that the small
democratic governments that the Kurds have been forming in northern Iraq
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, kirk wrote:
> >Of course, the report now is that it was not uranium at all.
>
> LOL-- yes, once it was pointed out by many the story was BS the handlers
> revised it.
> What's the saying?
> "Let's run it up the flag pole and see if they salute it"
> Next justification will be
for all of us and for many generations to come.
Hakan
At 04:45 PM 10/2/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>50,000 dead first?
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:41 AM
>Subject:
50,000 dead first?
- Original Message -
From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled...
> Bryan Fullerton wrote:
>
> >The problem is that some threats are best dealt
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Kris Book wrote:
> Since Hiroshima, war has become obsolete. This world would
> be a lot better off with about 1000 little nations all
> agreeing to disagree. With honest and fair treatment for
> every citizen of the world. Education and communication,
> tempered with respect
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Keith Addison wrote:
> > > So what? There are Americans who would like to overthrow the Bush
> > > regime too, and by force, and with the same stated aims.
> >
> >The difference is that the majority of Iraqis want Hussein out.
>
> Again, how do you know that? It's nothing but
I'm not going to argue with you any more Mike, no point. You've
swallowed the party line, and the hook and the sinker too, and, as
always, it'll be others who'll choke on it. I disagree with
everything you say, and I could certainly weigh the whole list down
and you with supportive references,
-Original Message-
From: Michael S Briggs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:54 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled by a CIA set up...NOT
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, kirk wrote:
> ARGH!
> U238 is not U235 and weap
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, kirk wrote:
> ARGH!
> U238 is not U235 and weapons grade is 60%U235 minimum. 15% is reactor fuel.
The initial report I had read stated that they thought it was enriched to
15%. My mistake.
Of course, the report now is that it was not uranium at all.
See
http://ww
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Keith Addison wrote:
> >1. Since 1991, we have been flying missions over the "no-fly zone" to keep
> >Saddam from using his military to slaughter Kurds and Shiite muslims as he
> >has done numerous times in the past.
>
> The US didn't mind when he did that when he was a US pu
gt; averse to such mass-slaughters in the past, when it saw
> > its interests
> > served. And no I'm not anti-US. I'm just anti-nonsense.
> > And nonsense
> > such as this is quite well known for getting folks killed
> > - other
> > folks, far away.
>
.
> And nonsense
> such as this is quite well known for getting folks killed
> - other
> folks, far away.
>
> Keith
>
>
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Curtis Sakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To:
> >Sent: Tuesday, Octobe
Mike
Probably "Sigh..." would be the best response.
>On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Keith Addison wrote:
>
> > So what? There are Americans who would like to overthrow the Bush
> > regime too, and by force, and with the same stated aims.
>
>The difference is that the majority of Iraqis want Hussein out.
A
t;happy thoughts" if that's what it takes--but it will cost you. Oh well.
Kirk
-Original Message-
From: Michael S Briggs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:27 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled by a CIA set up...N
The "thought police"
1984, ever read it?
-Original Message-
From: Curtis Sakima [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 6:16 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled...
I dunno, I've been hearing a lot about this "
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Keith Addison wrote:
> So what? There are Americans who would like to overthrow the Bush
> regime too, and by force, and with the same stated aims.
The difference is that the majority of Iraqis want Hussein out.
> The US has supported many brutal disctatorships in the past
At 11:41 AM 10/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Hakan Falk wrote:
>
> > >If Germany had large oil reserves, then back in 1941 would you have been
> > >saying that we shouldn't get involved militarily in what was going on in
> > >Europe, because our motivation must be based strictly o
away.
Keith
>- Original Message -
>From: "Curtis Sakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:16 AM
>Subject: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled...
>
>
> > I dunno, I've been hearing a lot about this "Saddam
>
Michael S. Briggs wrote:
>On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Curtis Sakima wrote:
>
> > I dunno, I've been hearing a lot about this "Saddam
> > Hussein/Iraq thing" ... and it annoys me that here we
> > are ... threatening to bomb Iraq. And I can't figure
> > out what Iraq's ever done "to us" first. I mean, ha
Michael S. Briggs wrote:
>On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Keith Addison wrote:
>
> > Now what does all that remind me of? Weak. If there were a smoking
> > gun we'd definitely know all about it beyond any doubt. Just oil. And
> > politics. The two hopelessly confused as ever, when it comes to the
> > US.
>
>
>On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:13, you wrote:
>
> > Personally, I don't think our first priority right now should be going
> > after Saddam. It should be securing the cold war era nukes and fissionable
> > material (that are relatively poorly guarded) in the countries of the
> > former Soviet Union, to tr
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From: "Michael S Briggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 09:41
Subject: Re: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled by a CIA set up...NOT
>
> On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Hakan Falk wrote:
>
>
> > also
> > be a
Go live in Iraq then. While you are there tell one of his elite guard that
you dont like the way he dresses.. see how long you last..
- Original Message -
From: "Doug Foskey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] The BBC
Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:16 AM
Subject: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled...
> I dunno, I've been hearing a lot about this "Saddam
> Hussein/Iraq thing" ... and it annoys me that here we
> are ... threatening to bomb Iraq. And I can't figure
> out what Iraq&
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Hakan Falk wrote:
> >If Germany had large oil reserves, then back in 1941 would you have been
> >saying that we shouldn't get involved militarily in what was going on in
> >Europe, because our motivation must be based strictly on oil, since there
> >is oil there?
>
> You said
I think that this song pretty much puts it all together.LOL
kris
From: "ozregeneration"
Date: Mon Sep 30, 2002 4:00 am
The famous Vietnam War protest anthem written and performed
by Country Joe
McDonald at the historic Woodstock concert in 1969, has
been re-released with
updated
You also forgot to mention that US also have been the major
customer of the oil for food program. All of pure altruistic
reasons.
Hakan
At 09:45 AM 10/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Curtis Sakima wrote:
>
> > I dunno, I've been hearing a lot about this "Saddam
> > Hussein/Iraq t
have
> his shoes."
>-------
>
>
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To:
> >
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, kirk wrote:
> >15,000 grams, so that's 15,000/19=790 cubic centimeters. So, if it was 2
> >feet long (24 inches, at 2.54 cm per inch, so 61 cm long), then the
> >cross-sectional area must be 790/61=13 cm^2. So, assuming it's a cylinder,
> >the radius would be slightly more th
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Curtis Sakima wrote:
> I dunno, I've been hearing a lot about this "Saddam
> Hussein/Iraq thing" ... and it annoys me that here we
> are ... threatening to bomb Iraq. And I can't figure
> out what Iraq's ever done "to us" first. I mean, have
> Iraqi planes ever flown over t
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:13, you wrote:
> Personally, I don't think our first priority right now should be going
> after Saddam. It should be securing the cold war era nukes and fissionable
> material (that are relatively poorly guarded) in the countries of the
> former Soviet Union, to try to preve
a mile away and you'll have
his shoes."
---
>
> Keith
>
>
> >- Original Message -
> >From: kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To:
> >Sent: Tuesday,
I dunno, I've been hearing a lot about this "Saddam
Hussein/Iraq thing" ... and it annoys me that here we
are ... threatening to bomb Iraq. And I can't figure
out what Iraq's ever done "to us" first. I mean, have
Iraqi planes ever flown over the U.S.?? Dropping
BOMBS?? Have any missiles with I
for the prosecution
Now what does all that remind me of? Weak. If there were a smoking
gun we'd definitely know all about it beyond any doubt. Just oil. And
politics. The two hopelessly confused as ever, when it comes to the
US.
Keith
>- Original Message -
>From: kirk <[EM
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 2:42 AM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled by a CIA set
up...NOT
> >15,000 grams, so that's 15,000/19=790 cubic centimeters. So,
if it was 2
> >feet long (24 inches, at 2.54 cm per inch, so 61 cm long),
then the
> >cross-sec
gs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 5:37 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled by a CIA set up...NOT
> - Original Message -
> From: "kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > OK, so what is the gamma fluen
-
From: kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 2:14 AM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled by a CIA set
up...NOT
> Do the math. Discovery is better than me saying one thing or
another.
> BTW
> I was a radiation hardness and susceptibility eng
.
Kirk
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Fullerton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 3:58 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled by a CIA set up...NOT
And you dont think the government has experts in physics?
- Original
> - Original Message -
> From: "kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > OK, so what is the gamma fluence from a 15%U235 pencil 15 kilos and 2 or
> so
> > feet long? Remember effective half life decreases as sample increases
> since
> > U235 is neutron sensitive. Is 15% hot enough for a bomb or just
And you dont think the government has experts in physics?
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From: "kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 9:27 AM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled by a CIA set up...NOT
> OK, so what is the gamma fluence from
Kirk: I started as a nuclear engineer on US Navy Submarines in 1963. I have
been involved in the nuclear business every since. Along the way I
represented the US on a six nation board that grew out of the Chernobyl
accident. Don't be swayed by people writing about the quality, quantity or
e
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Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 3:47 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled by a CIA set up...NOT
Oh you would like that wouldn't you. Problem is you failed to completly read
the article. I read it on msn.com hm or was it yahoo.. anyway i
ave come out of that area. statements
from the few people who have escaped over the last 12 years or so. Not a guy
I would want to even know.
Bryan
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From: "Marc de Piolenc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Biofuel List"
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002
The BBC has been fooled by a CIA set up
"I have just posted this on your forum, BBC Talking Point and I doubt
whether it will be printed as it would be an embarrassment;
Was the "Enriched uranium" found in Turkey real or was it a part of a
ploy
to lend credence to claims that Iraq is building a
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