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-Original Message-
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 2:10 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
>"You think that's right on the
>"You think that's right on the mark too?"
>
>Yep...stealing from the "rich" is no more honest than stealing from the
>poor.
>
>I forget who said that our system of government would fail when the voters
>figured out that they could vote to steal other people's property. It is
"You think that's right on the mark too?"
Yep...stealing from the "rich" is no more honest than stealing from the
poor.
I forget who said that our system of government would fail when the voters
figured out that they could vote to steal other people's property. It is
now
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Steve Spence wrote:
>This guy is right on the mark!
Uh-huh... James Madison said during the constitutional convention
that the main goal of the new system had to be "to protect the
minority of the opulent against the majori
rust.org
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bryan Brah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:54 PM
>Subject: RE: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
>
>
> > What about Representative Ron Paul? -BRAH
> >
bout Sustainable Technology:
http://www.green-trust.org
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From: "Bryan Brah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:54 PM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
> What about Representati
What about Representative Ron Paul? -BRAH
-Original Message-
From: Kris Book [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 7:53 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
The American system
> yep, and it's the electoral vote that counts in this country, not the
> popular vote.
> Steve Spence
My guess is most people figured that out
but just in case, Steve has seconded the
emotion.
If anyone would like to check the results --
U.S. National Archives & Records Administration
Amen.
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: "Kris Book" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 18:53
Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
> The American system could work fairly well with a few minor
> adjustments, like limits on camp
ot;MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
> After looking at the US American presidential
> Historical Election Results
> http://gi.grolier.com/presidents/results/restable.html
>
> I thought this ref
Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
> Sorry, Hakan - "By the People..." (buy the people?) was made up by Abraham
> Lincoln, the Father of our current unConstitutional Federalist Leviathan,
> it's NOT in the Declaration of In
The American system could work fairly well with a few minor
adjustments, like limits on campaign spending and term
limits. We must stop candidates from buying their posts and
there is no place on this planet for long term politicians.
They are an abomination, every one of them sells out to big
mon
Sorry, I slipped.
Note that neither Socrates nor Plato knew about the American
judge Lynch, he is a more recent democratic phenomena.
Should be,
Note that neither Socrates nor Plato knew about the American
judge Lynch, he is a more recent republican (as in Republic,
not the party) phenomena.
Guy,
OK, I give up. With so many Americans telling me that
US is NOT a democracy and it is NOT democratic, I think
that the experts have made their point. Why should I have
to act like a proud American in this case? I am not and when
I had the chance, I choose not to stay in US. Not because I
di
Dear John,
I do not think that voting in a mob is a democracy, maybe you
could call it an illegal democratic decision. We have seen many
misuse of the democratic systems, maybe one very recent one.
The thing is that we do not have anything better and with a lawful
parliamentary democracy you ar
Sorry, Hakan - "By the People..." (buy the people?) was made up by Abraham
Lincoln, the Father of our current unConstitutional Federalist Leviathan,
it's NOT in the Declaration of Independance nor the US Constitution (nor
even the Articles of Confederation)
-Guy-
>
> Sorry Guy,
>
> "by the
Hakan Falk wrote:
> I do not understand why you think that parliamentary democracy
> has anything to do with mob rule. I have never heard such a stupid
> definition of democracy and never experienced it either. I have to
> ask you what the opposite alternative is?
"It is the besetting vice of de
father "they often start with 'Vote for me and...'"
>
>Kirk
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:22 AM
>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
>
&g
with 'Once upon a
time...'?"
"No" said her father "they often start with 'Vote for me and...'"
Kirk
-Original Message-
From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:22 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biof
- not "democratic" mob rule.
>A democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner.
>All democracies fail as they exploit minorities. It is essential this
>appetite is restrained by law.
>
>Kirk
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTE
Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:38 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
Sorry Guy,
"by the people for the people" sounds very much like the Greek,
Demos = people
Kratein = rule
Introduced in Athen after
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 04:55:33 +0900, "Keith Addison"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15656
>
> How We Lost the Victory
>
> By Ted Rall, AlterNet
> April 16, 2003
>
> NEW YORK - We wanted it to be true. It wasn't.
>
> The stirring image of Saddam's statue
Sorry Guy,
"by the people for the people" sounds very much like the Greek,
Demos = people
Kratein = rule
Introduced in Athen after the war against the Persers 480 BC.
You might be wrong about your "Founding Fathers". They might
not have liked the French variant of it, but democracy YES. They
c
The Founding Fathers hated "democracy", having not only evaluated it
historically (and found it flawed), but observed it in action in the French
Revolution.
Americans having the right to disagree with the US government has nothing to
do with "democracy".
-Guy-
> You obviously don't believe in
And the "magic" is finding a way to do it without
sending good money after bad, and ending up accused of supporting a dictator
or having local bullies take all the assistance,
vs trying to affect some change, and be accused of sticking your
nose in other peoples business.
naturally, if you ar
Doug Foskey wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:10, you wrote:
>
>>Dear Tom,
>>
>>Why do you think I am American citizen and that I
>>live in the US. This is a very International list.
>>
>>Hakan Falk
>>
>>At 03:22 PM 4/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently many posters here feel that the US i
ubject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
>
> Apparently many posters here feel that the US is a horrible
> place to live. Where else would you prefer to live? And of
> course WHY don't you give up your US citizenship and move
> there?
> Tom Fisher
> Dallas,TX
After looking at the US American presidential
Historical Election Results
http://gi.grolier.com/presidents/results/restable.html
I thought this reference would help.
Year Candidate and Party Electoral Vote Popular Vote
2000 George W. Bush, Republican 271 5
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 03:25, you wrote:
> I apologize if my need to simplify things has caused anyone
> undue distress. I am aware that there are wonderful
> conserative people in this world, and also that there are
> liberals who I want nothing to do with. I am so tired of
> hearing affluent/educat
n trying to weed such character
> > > > flaws
> > > > > out of society for
> > > > > our lifetimes.
> > > > >
> > > > > What you might also find is that in societies that
> > keep
> > > > > their tongues in
> >
d or
> threatened,
> > > the
> > > > same "freedom"
> > > > that so many people tout so highly and proclaim to
> be
> > > the
> > > > glory of this
> > > > union (when it suits your purpose) also becomes one
> of
this
> > > union (when it suits your purpose) also becomes one of
> > > the first casualties
> > > of a punitive/submissive society.
> > >
> > > You cannot, nor can anyone else, have it both ways -
> > > "freedom" on the one
> >
e Free' . Go to any country
that does not allow its citizens the right to free speach.--- On Fri 04/18,
tboonefisher < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
From: tboonefisher [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Fri, 18 Apr
2003 15:22:47 -0500Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the
e other.
> >
> > Perhaps you've already conveniently forgotten those
> > examples of abusive
> > power and punitive authority as taught by the recently
> > ousted regimes in
> > Afghanistan and Iraq?
> >
> > Surely not.
> >
> > Todd S
imes in
> Afghanistan and Iraq?
>
> Surely not.
>
> Todd Swearingen
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "tboonefisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
>
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:10, you wrote:
> Dear Tom,
>
> Why do you think I am American citizen and that I
> live in the US. This is a very International list.
>
> Hakan Falk
>
> At 03:22 PM 4/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > Apparently many posters here feel that the US is a horrible
> >place to live
eady conveniently forgotten those examples of abusive
power and punitive authority as taught by the recently ousted regimes in
Afghanistan and Iraq?
Surely not.
Todd Swearingen
- Original Message -
From: "tboonefisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, April 18
Dear Tom,
Why do you think I am American citizen and that I
live in the US. This is a very International list.
Hakan Falk
At 03:22 PM 4/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> Apparently many posters here feel that the US is a horrible
>place to live. Where else would you prefer to live? And of
>course
> Apparently many posters here feel that the US is a horrible
>place to live. Where else would you prefer to live? And of
>course WHY don't you give up your US citizenship and move
>there?
>Tom Fisher
>Dallas,TX
You mean me? Well, I'll leave you to figure that out all by yourself.
I find your c
Apparently many posters here feel that the US is a horrible
place to live. Where else would you prefer to live? And of
course WHY don't you give up your US citizenship and move
there?
Tom Fisher
Dallas,TX
- Original Message -
From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday,
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