El mar, 28-10-2014 a las 17:05 +0100, Lennart Poettering escribió:
[...]
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-October/024325.html
Looks interesting. Have you think in having some kind of wiki or page
listing this kind of "tricks" to solve things like that. That way we
prevent
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 05:16:38PM +0100, Jan Alexander Steffens wrote:
> On Oct 28, 2014 5:05 PM, "Lennart Poettering"
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 28.10.14 11:28, Dale R. Worley (wor...@alum.mit.edu) wrote:
> > > That is not entirely true. I'm a user (because systemd is in Fedora
> > > 19), and I've co
On Oct 28, 2014 5:05 PM, "Lennart Poettering"
wrote:
> On Tue, 28.10.14 11:28, Dale R. Worley (wor...@alum.mit.edu) wrote:
> > That is not entirely true. I'm a user (because systemd is in Fedora
> > 19), and I've complained that if I mark an /etc/fstab entry as
> > "nofail", some part of systemd
On Tue, 28.10.14 11:28, Dale R. Worley (wor...@alum.mit.edu) wrote:
> > From: Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> >
> > That mostly applies to people who actually don't use systemd and are
> > commenting from the peanut gallery. Actual *users* when they are unhappy
> > are unhappy about bugs.
>
> Tha
On 28/10/14 16:28, Dale R. Worley wrote:
>> From: Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
>>
>> That mostly applies to people who actually don't use systemd and are
>> commenting from the peanut gallery. Actual *users* when they are unhappy
>> are unhappy about bugs.
>
> That is not entirely true. I'm a use
> From: Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
>
> That mostly applies to people who actually don't use systemd and are
> commenting from the peanut gallery. Actual *users* when they are unhappy
> are unhappy about bugs.
That is not entirely true. I'm a user (because systemd is in Fedora
19), and I've com
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 06:25:56PM -0400, Dale R. Worley wrote:
> > From: "Lennart Poettering"
> >
> > Please, let's discuss this elsewhere. Let's keep a strict technical
> > focus on this ML!
>
> I believe that you mean that outsiders are welcome here to provide
> assistance to systemd as it ha
On Mon, 27.10.14 18:25, Dale R. Worley (wor...@alum.mit.edu) wrote:
> > From: "Lennart Poettering"
> >
> > Please, let's discuss this elsewhere. Let's keep a strict technical
> > focus on this ML!
>
> I believe that you mean that outsiders are welcome here to provide
> assistance to systemd as
> From: "Lennart Poettering"
>
> Please, let's discuss this elsewhere. Let's keep a strict technical
> focus on this ML!
I believe that you mean that outsiders are welcome here to provide
assistance to systemd as it has already been implemented. One
difficulty is that outsiders are usually not
On Wed, 22.10.14 15:54, Dale R. Worley (wor...@alum.mit.edu) wrote:
> > From: Lennart Poettering
>
> > We are always interested in technical feedback.
> >
> > We are not very interested in FUD mails that tell us how we'd "force"
> > people, how we'd behave like microsoft and so on. That's not
sktop.org
Subject: Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of
polarity and resistance
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 05:00:04PM +, dennis.mur...@wipro.com wrote:
> One thing I would like to point out, on the project website there is
> NO mailing list for advocacy. The comm
On Tue, 21.10.14 11:25, Martin Steigerwald (mar...@lichtvoll.de) wrote:
> > The "scopes" and "slices" concept does not exist elsewhere, and
> > there's nothing comparable around, so even if we wanted we couldn't
> > make logind work on anything else.
>
> Then why in the first hand are the "scopes
Am 23.10.2014 um 19:14 schrieb Tomasz Torcz:
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 05:00:04PM +, dennis.mur...@wipro.com wrote:
One thing I would like to point out, on the project website there is NO
mailing list for advocacy. The comment "this is for technical email only use a
different ML" is for all
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 05:00:04PM +, dennis.mur...@wipro.com wrote:
> One thing I would like to point out, on the project website there is NO
> mailing list for advocacy. The comment "this is for technical email only use
> a
> different ML" is for all purposes just a brush off. If the proj
way toward segregating the
email.
-Original Message-
From: systemd-devel [mailto:systemd-devel-boun...@lists.freedesktop.org] On
Behalf Of Cristian Rodríguez
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 7:27 PM
To: systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd pro
El 22/10/14 a las #4, Rob Owens escribió:
> It is your ML, so I will oblige. But I think it is a mistake to not consider
> a broader view of your project than just the strictly technical aspects.
It is not *his* mailing list..but it is the place where *technical*
discussions about the systemd p
> From: Lennart Poettering
> We are always interested in technical feedback.
>
> We are not very interested in FUD mails that tell us how we'd "force"
> people, how we'd behave like microsoft and so on. That's not useful,
> that's pretty much only hurtful.
I haven't read this full thread, and
- Original Message -
> From: "Lennart Poettering"
>
> On Wed, 22.10.14 12:11, Rob Owens (row...@ptd.net) wrote:
>
> > > We are always interested in technical feedback.
> >
> > I have seen this comment several times from the systemd devs, and I
> > don't doubt it. But I think much of th
On Wed, 22.10.14 12:11, Rob Owens (row...@ptd.net) wrote:
> > We are always interested in technical feedback.
>
> I have seen this comment several times from the systemd devs, and I
> don't doubt it. But I think much of the criticism of systemd is not
> technical. It has a more social/political
- Original Message -
> From: "Lennart Poettering"
> We are always interested in technical feedback.
I have seen this comment several times from the systemd devs, and I don't doubt
it. But I think much of the criticism of systemd is not technical. It has a
more social/political nature,
Hello Martin,
Firstly, I apologise if you took what I said as a personal insult. It
was not my intention to do so (and I did try to make that explicitly
clear in a footnote).
I will certainly admit that some of my wording was more directed than I
had intended. This is something I would normally e
Hi Martin,
If you were to phrase your complaints/questions in terms of technical
issues, we could probably have a much more useful debate. What is
clear is that the systemd project will not do or change anything
merely based on some bystanders gut feeling (which is basically what
you have argued f
Subject: Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of
polarity and resistance
Colin,
I had the feeling that is a bad idea to read your mail before I go to sleep.
But I was interested in what you have to say since you made quite an effort in
your reply to me. And now I can´t
On Wed, 2014-10-22 at 02:13 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> With that I perceive starts an answer on a technical matter ends with what I
> received as a dire personal attack: I.e. calling me names.
I think it was a mostly justified criticism of your posting style here.
> I will make an effort
Colin,
I had the feeling that is a bad idea to read your mail before I go to sleep.
But I was interested in what you have to say since you made quite an effort in
your reply to me. And now I can´t sleep since my head if full of thoughts and
I am full of emotions as well.
With that I perceive s
Martin Steigerwald wrote on 21/10/14 10:25:
> Am Mittwoch, 8. Oktober 2014, 10:54:00 schrieb Lennart Poettering:
>> On Tue, 07.10.14 23:40, Uoti Urpala (uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi) wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2014-10-07 at 14:15 -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
My question really isn't "why are the Debian dependen
On 21/10/14 09:37, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> In my long years of using Debian and also doing some packages for it in the
> last years I never saw that any introduced changed caused a serious "we may
> need to fork" like announcement
I've seen several instances of Debian people *actually* forki
Am Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2014, 11:59:09 schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> On Tue, 21.10.14 11:47, Martin Steigerwald (mar...@lichtvoll.de) wrote:
> > > > So or so… I think its this kind of attitude that triggers most of the
> > > > polarity and split.
> > >
> > > Well, our priority is to solve technic
Am Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2014, 11:52:50 schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> > When Microsoft back then did something like this it was called "Embrace,
> > Extend and Extinguish"¹…
>
> Oh come on. You are just being a dick now.
For now just this:
Thats a personal accusation.
I didn´t attack you pers
On Tue, 21.10.14 11:47, Martin Steigerwald (mar...@lichtvoll.de) wrote:
> > > So or so… I think its this kind of attitude that triggers most of the
> > > polarity and split.
> >
> > Well, our priority is to solve technical problems in a way we perceive
> > elegant and minimal. Your priority appea
Am Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2014, 11:21:36 schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> On Tue, 21.10.14 10:53, Martin Steigerwald (mar...@lichtvoll.de) wrote:
> > So, aside from it being additional work, is there any *solid* or even
> > *unavoidable* technical reason to couple functionality that tightly?
>
> Yes,
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Martin Steigerwald
wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2014, 11:07:01 schrieben Sie:
>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Martin Steigerwald
>>
>> wrote:
>> > Am Montag, 6. Oktober 2014, 21:53:04 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
>> >> > Systemd-shim provides so
Am Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2014, 11:26:16 schrieben Sie:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Martin Steigerwald
>
> wrote:
> > Then systemd may use it as PID 1, but if someother wants to use it in own
> > project, can use it as well. I consider cgroups as part of the kernel API
> > and I highly dis
On Tue, 21.10.14 11:08, Martin Steigerwald (mar...@lichtvoll.de) wrote:
> > systemd as init", but "logind has to depend on the system having cgroup
> > support, and there's no equally good cgroup support available for inits
> > other than systemd". It is possible to provide the relevant cgroup
> >
Am Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2014, 11:07:01 schrieben Sie:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Martin Steigerwald
>
> wrote:
> > Am Montag, 6. Oktober 2014, 21:53:04 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
> >> > Systemd-shim provides some functionality that systemd-sysv provides,
> >> >
> >> > and al
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Martin Steigerwald
wrote:
> Then systemd may use it as PID 1, but if someother wants to use it in own
> project, can use it as well. I consider cgroups as part of the kernel API and
> I highly dislike the battle on which of the available solutions will get
> contr
Am Mittwoch, 8. Oktober 2014, 10:54:00 schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> On Tue, 07.10.14 23:40, Uoti Urpala (uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi) wrote:
> > On Tue, 2014-10-07 at 14:15 -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> > > My question really isn't "why are the Debian dependencies the way they
> > > are". I understand th
On Tue, 21.10.14 10:53, Martin Steigerwald (mar...@lichtvoll.de) wrote:
> So, aside from it being additional work, is there any *solid* or even
> *unavoidable* technical reason to couple functionality that tightly?
Yes, there always is. For logind for example we need to be able to
group the proc
Am Dienstag, 7. Oktober 2014, 23:40:45 schrieb Uoti Urpala:
> On Tue, 2014-10-07 at 14:15 -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> > My question really isn't "why are the Debian dependencies the way they
> > are". I understand that. I was trying to highlight the strange
> > situation of a desktop application re
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Martin Steigerwald
wrote:
> Am Montag, 6. Oktober 2014, 21:53:04 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
>> > Systemd-shim provides some functionality that systemd-sysv provides,
>> > and allows admins to use init systems other than systemd while still
>> > install
Am Montag, 6. Oktober 2014, 21:53:04 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
> > Systemd-shim provides some functionality that systemd-sysv provides,
> > and allows admins to use init systems other than systemd while still
> > installing things like brasero. I think this is a great thing,
> > exce
Hi Rob,
Am Montag, 6. Oktober 2014, 14:56:22 schrieb Rob Owens:
> - Original Message -
>
> > From: "Martin Steigerwald"
> >
> > Heck, I started a thread here and then didn´t manage to take time to
> > carefully
> > read it and reply here and there as I see fit. But I challenged people o
Am Sonntag, 21. September 2014, 15:31:15 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> Hello!
>
> I know this is a daring post.
>
> I just have one question. In the light of
>
> http://boycottsystemd.org/
>
> http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/
>
> developing some systemd compatible services for BSD:
> http://unde
On Tue, 07.10.14 23:40, Uoti Urpala (uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi) wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-10-07 at 14:15 -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> > My question really isn't "why are the Debian dependencies the way they
> > are". I understand that. I was trying to highlight the strange situation
> > of a desktop ap
On Tue, 2014-10-07 at 14:15 -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> My question really isn't "why are the Debian dependencies the way they are".
> I understand that. I was trying to highlight the strange situation of a
> desktop application requiring a particular init system. I *think* this is a
> result o
- Original Message -
> From: "Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek"
> On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 02:56:22PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> > On Debian, I came across an unusual dependency. Installing a cd burner
> > (brasero) required me to change my init system to systemd. Sounds kind of
> > ridiculous
On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 02:56:22PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Martin Steigerwald"
>
> > Heck, I started a thread here and then didn´t manage to take time to
> > carefully
> > read it and reply here and there as I see fit. But I challenged people on
> > debia
Hello Rob,
this is higly Debian specific (doesn't even apply to Ubuntu) and thus
a bit off-topic, but as the question already is on the upstream ML..
sorry!
Rob Owens [2014-10-06 14:56 -0400]:
> brasero -> gvfs -> gvfs-daemons -> udisks2 -> libpam-systemd -> systemd-sysv
You can break it up aft
- Original Message -
> From: "Martin Steigerwald"
> Heck, I started a thread here and then didn´t manage to take time to
> carefully
> read it and reply here and there as I see fit. But I challenged people on
> debian-user mailing list to constructively voice their concerns upstream, and
On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 05:14:17PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 06.10.14 16:34, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 02:57:17PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > > systemd does a lot. And an 1,3 MiB binary is a hug binary size for
On Mon, 06.10.14 16:34, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 02:57:17PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > systemd does a lot. And an 1,3 MiB binary is a hug binary size for
> > > something
> > > that started out as managing services and sessions v
On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 02:57:17PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > systemd does a lot. And an 1,3 MiB binary is a hug binary size for
> > something
> > that started out as managing services and sessions via control
> > cgroups.
>
> Well, it does a lot more these days.
>
> The Linux kernel
On Sun, 05.10.14 12:20, Martin Steigerwald (mar...@lichtvoll.de) wrote:
> > However, I also believe that the change we are making is for the good,
> > and even though it might not be obvious to many immediately, it brings
> > major benefits when administering machines, and they massively
> > outwe
Hi Jóhann,
Am Sonntag, 21. September 2014, 22:15:32 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> On 09/21/2014 01:31 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > in the light of the ongoing discussions on linux-kernel
>
> Could you provide a link to that ongoing discussion that is taking place
> in the kernel community
Am Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2014, 23:33:43 schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> (What I didn't expect though is how awful the Linux community can
> actually be. That people collect Bitcoins to hire a hitman on me, that
> people start petitions to make me stop working, and all that other
> really hateful, pers
Am Sonntag, 5. Oktober 2014, 12:20:01 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> Well… I may post much more in this thread.
not post much more
--
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Hi Lennart,
Am Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2014, 23:33:43 schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> On Sun, 21.09.14 15:31, Martin Steigerwald (mar...@lichtvoll.de) wrote:
> > I just have one question. In the light of
>
> [...]
Heck, I started a thread here and then didn´t manage to take time to carefully
read it
On Tue, 23.09.14 15:13, Dale R. Worley (wor...@alum.mit.edu) wrote:
> > Again, this seems rather ignorant of the status quo. Between the blog
> > posts and wiki documentation and the 164 man pages, systemd is rather
> > copiously documented. Not to say that things can't be improved, but
> > by Lin
On Mon, 22.09.14 10:16, Dale R. Worley (wor...@alum.mit.edu) wrote:
> 1. Systemd has some very large binaries, each of which implements many
> aspects of the system. Conversely, the typical Un*x approach is to
> separate functions into many executablels, many of which are scripts.
> The latter ap
On Sun, 21.09.14 15:31, Martin Steigerwald (mar...@lichtvoll.de) wrote:
> I just have one question. In the light of
[...]
>
> in the light of the ongoing discussions on linux-kernel, debian-devel, debian-
> user and other mailing lists more than some dozens threads meanwhile:
>
> Did you ever a
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Dale R. Worley wrote:
> OK, I'd like to modify systemd's handling of mounts. I've been told
> only that the units that are created from /etc/fstab are created and
> handled by the main systemd binary. What documentation do I look at
> that explains how systemd ac
Am 23.09.2014 um 21:13 schrieb Dale R. Worley:
> OK, I'd like to modify systemd's handling of mounts. I've been told
> only that the units that are created from /etc/fstab are created and
> handled by the main systemd binary. What documentation do I look at
> that explains how systemd actually d
> From: Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> More seriously, the idea of having shell scripts which you're going
> to modify to customize your setup is simply crazy. How robust would
> your changes be? How would you ever handle upgrades? How would more
> than one admin manage a machine without sitting i
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:16:36AM -0400, Dale R. Worley wrote:
> > From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
>
> > > Did you ever ask yourself why your project provokes that amount of
> > > resistance and polarity? Did you ever ask yourself whether this
> > > really is just resistance against anything new fr
Let me offer this as a suggestion of what might be the root of some
issues:
One of the lessons in Fred Brooks' "The Mythical Man-Month" is that it
takes three times more effort to produce a *program product* as it
does to produce the *program*. That is, 2/3 of the effort is not to
make the softwa
On 22 September 2014 15:16, Dale R. Worley wrote:
> 2. Systemd includes a tremendous number of features and behaviors, but
> a lot of them aren't documented very well. That's not so unusual in
> Un*x, but if you're introducing something new, nobody has any prior
> knowledge of it, and the lack o
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:44 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
>
> On 09/22/2014 12:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 22.09.2014 um 13:45 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
>
>> On 09/22/2014 11:40 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>>> Am 22.09.2014 um 13:28 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
>
On 09/22/2
Am 22.09.2014 um 16:41 schrieb Simon McVittie:
> On 22/09/14 10:23, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> honestly the messages about "reaching target" are nonsense without
>> a prefix pointing out that it is about a *user session* because it
>> looks like a bootlog every minute
>
> You can tell this is not
On 22/09/14 10:23, Reindl Harald wrote:
> honestly the messages about "reaching target" are nonsense without
> a prefix pointing out that it is about a *user session* because it
> looks like a bootlog every minute
You can tell this is not the system instance of systemd (init) because
its process
> From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> > Did you ever ask yourself why your project provokes that amount of
> > resistance and polarity? Did you ever ask yourself whether this
> > really is just resistance against anything new from people who
> > just do not like "new" or whether it contains*valuable*
Am 22.09.2014 um 15:55 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> On 09/22/2014 12:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> i suggest you get rid of that arrogance and some other developers
>> too because it's the reason for the subject and proves that you
>> *do not* care about users as long you have not the same o
On 09/22/2014 12:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
i suggest you get rid of that arrogance and some other developers
too because it's the reason for the subject and proves that you
*do not* care about users as long you have not the same opinion
you are the one demanding a friendly tone from me, well
Hi,
On 22/09/14 15:58, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 22.09.2014 um 14:44 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> Then file a bug report against rsyslog and provide a patch which fixes
> the default log filtering in Fedora to your expectation but leave
> systemd out of it.
>>> wow - in any ot
Am 22.09.2014 um 14:44 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
>>> > Then file a bug report against rsyslog and provide a patch which fixes
>>> > the default log filtering in Fedora to your expectation but leave
>>> > systemd out of it.
>> wow - in any other case the systemd developers saying that
>> the
On 09/22/2014 12:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 22.09.2014 um 13:45 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
>On 09/22/2014 11:40 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>Am 22.09.2014 um 13:28 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
>>>On 09/22/2014 09:23 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 22.09.2014 um 01:48 schrieb Jóhann B
Am 22.09.2014 um 13:45 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> On 09/22/2014 11:40 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> Am 22.09.2014 um 13:28 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
>>> On 09/22/2014 09:23 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 22.09.2014 um 01:48 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> The reason for increased
On 09/22/2014 11:40 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 22.09.2014 um 13:28 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
On 09/22/2014 09:23 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 22.09.2014 um 01:48 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
The reason for increased log entries in the journal is that more things
are happening now since
Am 22.09.2014 um 01:48 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> The reason for increased log entries in the journal is that more things
> are happening now since this is what happening when a job is run.
that don't change the fact that a user not acting as
systemd-developer and not debugging his system d
On Sun, 2014-09-21 at 15:31 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Did you ever ask yourself why your project provokes that amount of resistance
> and polarity? Did you ever ask yourself whether this really is just
> resistance
> against anything new from people who just do not like "new" or whether
On 09/21/2014 11:09 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 22.09.2014 um 00:48 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
On 09/21/2014 10:23 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 22.09.2014 um 00:15 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
Now alot of the resistance and polarity that is taking place like in the url
you pointed at is
Am 22.09.2014 um 00:48 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> On 09/21/2014 10:23 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> Am 22.09.2014 um 00:15 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
>>> >Now alot of the resistance and polarity that is taking place like in the
>>> >url you pointed at is hiding itself
>>> behind
>>> >thei
On 09/21/2014 10:23 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 22.09.2014 um 00:15 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
>Now alot of the resistance and polarity that is taking place like in the url
you pointed at is hiding itself behind
>their misinterpretation of the so called "Unix philosophy" and claiming that
Am 22.09.2014 um 00:15 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> Now alot of the resistance and polarity that is taking place like in the url
> you pointed at is hiding itself behind
> their misinterpretation of the so called "Unix philosophy" and claiming that
> we somehow fall short on the
> guidelines
On 09/21/2014 01:31 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
in the light of the ongoing discussions on linux-kernel
Could you provide a link to that ongoing discussion that is taking place
in the kernel community regarding systemd?
Did you ever ask yourself why your project provokes that amount of r
2014-09-21 23:52 GMT+02:00 Tom Gundersen :
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Martin Steigerwald
> wrote:
>> I had it that it didn´t mount an NFS export and while in the
>> end it was a syntax error in fstab that sysvinit happily ignored, I needed a
>> bug report and dev help to even find that ca
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Martin Steigerwald
> wrote:
>> http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/
>
> Hm, missing content?
Apparently someone attacked and wiped their website.
It's mostly a trimmed-down systemd fork:
https://bitbucket.org/b
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> I just have one question. In the light of
>
> http://boycottsystemd.org/
Please note that this is just (to the best of my knowledge), the
misinformed rants of an anonymous individual (despite it appearing a
lot more serious due to the g
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