When a runner I barely heard of runs his first ever marathon 8 seconds off a
record that was just broke I start to wonder. 27:30 10k 2:05:50 marathon.
Call me a pessimist if you want. Icing on the cake would be if he's a part
of Dr. Rosa's camp. Anyone know?
Alan
From: Richard McCann <[EMAIL
Actually, he's 55 seconds off the WR. By my calculation, his time equals
about 26:55 for 10k. Given that few marathoners run equivalent 10k
performances, I don't think he's too far out of line. You need to realize
that the current men's marathon WR is still quite weak, and should be well
und
not barely heard of...
U. S. girl debut in sub 2:30. Where is the rant??
In a message dated 10/13/2003 12:47:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>When a runner I barely heard of runs his first ever marathon 8 seconds
>off a record that was just broke I start to wonder. 27:30 10k 2:05:50
marathon
His PRs in the LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon press guide: 13:02/27:21, both in 2000.
He is 25
(4/8/78) (8/4/78 for the Europeans.) There was a pack of about six Kenyans at about
M20 until Ruttu
threw in a 4:34 (1:03:35/1:02:15) (last 10K:29:26) and it was over.
With first place money and timed b
Alan-
because you have not heard of him it is suspicious? I
will tell you Evans is the real deal and 100% clean. I
had the honor of being part of Dieters training
group,running every day with the guys then hanging out
drinking chai watching tv. unfortuantly I got injured
and did not get to race. Ru
She's a tall, good looking blond. Gave up her job as an air traffic controller in
Albuquerque so she
could train more. I would stake Alan's life on it that she's not taking
performance-enhancing
drugs;)
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> not barely heard of...
> U. S. girl debut in sub 2:30. Where is t
If a "U.S. girl" in her marathon debut ran within a minute of the world
record, you'd probably hear plenty of ranting.
Kurt Bray
not barely heard of...
U. S. girl debut in sub 2:30. Where is the rant??
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>When a runner I barel
What's Khanouchi's 10k PR?
Steve S.
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> I friggin hate assumptions like that. Using that logic all of the
> women's WRs fail in comparison to the 400 mark. You can not compare a
> time at one distance to a time at another distance. It's just stupid.
Tell that to Purdy... Comparisons across ev
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iple times.
What I don't buy is the record being broken by a different person every
year or every week.
Alan
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being broken by a different person every year or every week.
Alan
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It appears that you're conceding my point that top 10k runners are also
running the marathon now. I didn't make a broad generalization about
everyone, rather that enough individuals are doing this that the overall
competitive level has been raised so that the marathon record is beginning
to ca
e) are broken every year in the same event then I
> question every one of those results. The state of the sport leads to
> such
> uncredibility.
>
> Alan
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> "For example, how many 10k WR holders (Gebreselassie) or even 10k WC/Oly
> medalists (Tergat) have run the men's marath
I have problems with the statistical methods used to develop most of these
tables. Even the comparison method I used, which is similar to Hoffman's
is a bit too simplistic. However, the correct method is rather data
intensive. I would want to use the top 100 marks over a series of years to
e
ago dance) are broken every year in the same event then I
question every one of those results. The state of the sport leads to such
uncredibility.
Alan
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"running a near a WR in one event implies drug use. He's going to have
to
use a completely different basis for coming to that conclusion."
It's not just running ne
broken
every year in the same event then I question every one of those results.
The state of the sport leads to such uncredibility.
Alan
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lth
reasons"
Alan
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H...apparently I've been trumped. I'll go back to my cave now.
Alan
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Chicago
Trumping the trump card...
The record KK came within 20 seconds of wasn't 2 weeks old
tnessing now is the
product of better marathon development for young runners.
matt
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Alan wrote:
>Trumping the trump card...
>It should also be known that KK isn't off my suspicion list either. I'm
>suspicious of any current or former WR holder or Olympic/World gold
>medalist. You can damn me for that opinion all you want but it is my
opinion
>and it won't change until WADA,
2003 2:14 PM
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> So now a 9 year old record is considered weak, and it's OK for a debut
mark
> to be near that record? Rutto's debut was 8 seconds off a 4 year old
> record mark--that
ssage-
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>The record
our
>numerous whoppers past us. Why keep trying? I just don't get it?
>
>malmo
>
>
>
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>The record KK came within 20 seconds of wasn't 2 weeks old but 9 years
>old. It sho
Davis
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malmo
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