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malmo
> From: Richard McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/10/16 Thu PM 12:15:34 CDT
> To: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC: "'alan tobin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
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Richard McCann
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Subject: RE: Re: t-and-f: fwd: Marathon debutant Rutto, Boston champ
Zakharova win at Chicago
>The record KK came within 20 seconds of wasn't 2 weeks old but 9 years
>old. It sho
our
>numerous whoppers past us. Why keep trying? I just don't get it?
>
>malmo
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>
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>The record
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> "For example, how many 10k WR holders (Gebreselassie) or even 10k WC/Oly
> medalists (Tergat) have run the men's marath
2003 2:14 PM
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> So now a 9 year old record is considered weak, and it's OK for a debut
mark
> to be near that record? Rutto's debut was 8 seconds off a 4 year old
> record mark--that
Alan wrote:
>Trumping the trump card...
>It should also be known that KK isn't off my suspicion list either. I'm
>suspicious of any current or former WR holder or Olympic/World gold
>medalist. You can damn me for that opinion all you want but it is my
opinion
>and it won't change until WADA,
At 06:01 PM 10/15/2003 +, alan tobin wrote:
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Subject: RE: Re: t-and-f: fwd: Marathon debutant Rutto, Boston champ
Zakharova win at
Chicago
Trumping the trump card...
The record KK came within 20 seconds of wasn't 2 weeks old
H...apparently I've been trumped. I'll go back to my cave now.
Alan
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e) are broken every year in the same event then I
> question every one of those results. The state of the sport leads to
> such
> uncredibility.
>
> Alan
>
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lth
reasons"
Alan
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:57:20 -040
broken
every year in the same event then I question every one of those results.
The state of the sport leads to such uncredibility.
Alan
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tnessing now is the
product of better marathon development for young runners.
matt
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"running a near a WR in one event implies drug use. He's going to have
to
use a completely different basis for coming to that conclusion."
It's not just running ne
ago dance) are broken every year in the same event then I
question every one of those results. The state of the sport leads to such
uncredibility.
Alan
From: Richard McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I have problems with the statistical methods used to develop most of these
tables. Even the comparison method I used, which is similar to Hoffman's
is a bit too simplistic. However, the correct method is rather data
intensive. I would want to use the top 100 marks over a series of years to
e
It appears that you're conceding my point that top 10k runners are also
running the marathon now. I didn't make a broad generalization about
everyone, rather that enough individuals are doing this that the overall
competitive level has been raised so that the marathon record is beginning
to ca
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003 +, alan tobin wrote:
When a runner I barely heard of runs his first ever marathon 8 seconds
off a record that was just broke I start to wonder. 27:30 10k 2:05:50
marathon. Call me a pessimist if you want. Icing on the cake would be
if he's a part of Dr. Rosa's camp. Anyone know
iple times.
What I don't buy is the record being broken by a different person every
year or every week.
Alan
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> I friggin hate assumptions like that. Using that logic all of the
> women's WRs fail in comparison to the 400 mark. You can not compare a
> time at one distance to a time at another distance. It's just stupid.
Tell that to Purdy... Comparisons across ev
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; What's Khanouchi's 10k PR?
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> Steve S.
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What's Khanouchi's 10k PR?
Steve S.
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If a "U.S. girl" in her marathon debut ran within a minute of the world
record, you'd probably hear plenty of ranting.
Kurt Bray
not barely heard of...
U. S. girl debut in sub 2:30. Where is the rant??
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>When a runner I barel
She's a tall, good looking blond. Gave up her job as an air traffic controller in
Albuquerque so she
could train more. I would stake Alan's life on it that she's not taking
performance-enhancing
drugs;)
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> not barely heard of...
> U. S. girl debut in sub 2:30. Where is t
Alan-
because you have not heard of him it is suspicious? I
will tell you Evans is the real deal and 100% clean. I
had the honor of being part of Dieters training
group,running every day with the guys then hanging out
drinking chai watching tv. unfortuantly I got injured
and did not get to race. Ru
if he's a part
> of Dr. Rosa's camp. Anyone know?
>
> Alan
>
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not barely heard of...
U. S. girl debut in sub 2:30. Where is the rant??
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>When a runner I barely heard of runs his first ever marathon 8 seconds
>off a record that was just broke I start to wonder. 27:30 10k 2:05:50
marathon
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Marathon debutant Rutto, Boston champ Zakharova win at Chicago
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CHICAGO (AFP) - First-time marathoner Evans Rutto of Kenya and reigning
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