Re: t-and-f: No XC Please!

In a message dated 8/22/00 1:55:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << My quick top 10 for NCAA XC this season. Discuss. 1. Arkansas - sure they lose a lot of dogs up front, but this is Arkansas. Lots of dogs in the waiting. 2. Stanford - if they recover from the O

Re: t-and-f: Extracts from Ottey ruling (was IAAF inconsistencies)

- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 3:50 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Extracts from Ottey ruling (was IAAF inconsistencies) > > In a message dated 8/22/00 11:37:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << Nothing adds up here. Scie

t-and-f: Hot Women's LJ Friday in Brussels

While everyone argues over the merits of XC and sprinting, I for one will be watching the women's long jump Friday in Brussels. The event is certain to be a great preview of the olympic final. Check out the startlist: Fiona May (World #1, 7.09m) Tatyana Kotova (#2, 7.04m) Marion Jones (#3, 7.02

t-and-f: LJ Rules

Regarding the plasicine discussion. * No one is sure of the distance of Lewis' jump, because it wasn't properly measured. * It's certainly possible to have a toe over the plasicine and not leave a mark. * Any set of rules is imperfect. If we always followed them to the letter, we could have co

t-and-f: SURVIVOR GAME

OK, stealing a page from a TV show I'm proud to say I've never watched (but am not above aping), let's have a track popularity contest. We're gonna decide which OT winner we want to sit and have dinner with. But rather than simply voting for the winner, we'll do it elimination style. There aren

t-and-f: most peculiar momma, strange days indeed

do you realize that there will only be a single Finnish man running in Sydney? And he'll be Tommi Hartonen, a sprinter?! gh

t-and-f: 1500 metre s'chase?

Am I seeing things, or was there a 1500m steeplechase in Karlstadt? I've never heard of that event before and can't find any previous times for it. >From http://www.ifgota.s.se/: 1500mSC: 1. M Kigen (KNE) 4:03.63, 2. J Boit (KEN) 4:04.09, 3. H Skoog 4:05.20

t-and-f: Swedish Grand Prix

Swedish Grand Prix, Götagalan Karlstad, Tingvalla IP 23 Aug 2000 Selected results Men 200m 1 Geir Moen NOR 20,91 2 Johan Engberg SWE 20,97 3 John Ertzgaard NOR 21,01 4 Doug Turner

Re: t-and-f: Swedish Grand Prix

Tom Pukstys's 84.25 in the javelin was just 9 ft or so off his PR... which is great considering he is fighting an injured shoulder. I have to admit that the selection process is awefully rough in situations like his where he has been a perennial national leader and cannot make the games becau

Re: t-and-f: BAILEY WILL WIN 100M

Quick! Turn around and run. It's a trap! - Original Message - From: "bob marchetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:35 PM Subject: t-and-f: BAILEY WILL WIN 100M I THINK DONOVAN IS GOING TO PULL IT OFF AGAIN. WHAT DO YOU THINK?

t-and-f: A break from track AND cross country...

Go to: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/sports/html98/golf23_2823.html Paul Merca

t-and-f: ESPN.com coverage of Olympics

ESPN.com has started a page devoted to the Olympic games at: http://espn.go.com/oly/summer00/index.html The track & field section looks like it will provide updated from every event during the games. Tom Borish www.mactrack.net

Re: t-and-f: BAILEY WILL WIN 100M

Donovan needs to break 10 seconds before he can even think of winning... Right now there are like 15 Americans that are faster then the Great hope of CANADA. I do wish him luck on defending his title. Later, ROLIN Go PILOTS On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, bob marchetti wrote: > I THINK DONOVAN IS GOING TO

Re: t-and-f: BAILEY WILL WIN 100M

Bailey Ran a 9.98 a few months ago - check his website. On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:42:28 -0500, Christopher Goss wrote: > Quick! Turn around and run. It's a trap! > > - Original Message - > From: "bob marchetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, A

Re: t-and-f: BAILEY WILL WIN 100M

Has to be !!! Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Christopher Goss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "bob marchetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 1:42 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: BAILEY WILL WIN 100M > Quick! Turn around and r

Re: t-and-f: BAILEY WILL WIN 100M

Ok .. So I'll treat it seriously .. His 9.98 was questioned by many and is carried by Track and Field News as "questionable rolling start" .. Outside of that he has a 10.06 and a 10.12 .. Times that may not move one out of the semis ... I wish him luck .. But based on recent performances he really

RE: t-and-f: No XC Please!

what the 'tie-dyed triangle' planners really need to address is the explosion of b.o. within those municipalities! can we have some minimum hygiene standards?! (^; --- "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >Boulder's sister city, Eugene (part of the "Tie-dyed Triangle" - Eugene, >Boulder, Berkel

Re: t-and-f: BAILEY WILL WIN 100M

Well, Donovan did run 9.98 into a negative headwind at Lucerne on 27th June, even though it was reputed to be a "flyer" (well, so was Maurice Greene's World Indoor 50M Record). No matter how you cut the cake, an amazing recovery from a complete severed Achilles tendon just a few short months a

t-and-f: more Janvrin

More on Kip Janvrin, the third member of the U.S. decathlon team: His first decathlon was in 1983, as a junior at Panora-Linden High School in Iowa. He scored 6,165, using h-s implements. His first time over 7,000 was in 1986, his sophomore year at Simpson College, also in Iowa. He won

Re: t-and-f: BAILEY WILL WIN 100M

<> Was looking at the Top 20 100m. times this year...check out the last entry. Rolling start 9.98 -0.7 Donovan Bailey CAN 16.12.67 183/82 1 Spitzen Luzern 27 Jun 9.84 -96

t-and-f: Changes to Brussels LJ lineup

Anybody know why Kravets and Johansson pulled out of the Brussels LJ? Disappointing. 'Roo

t-and-f: A masters Rosie Ruiz?

Y ask Y: A source has informed me of a possible cheating case in the masters ranks. A former world-class Kenyan runner named Andrew Masai won the masters division of the Beach to Beacon 10K in Cape Elizabeth, ME, on August 5, 2000. See results at: http://www.coolrunning.com/results/00/me/Aug5

Re: t-and-f: 1500 metre s'chase?

I've thought about this before (10 milers can get really boring). The closest thing I've heard of is the 2000m steeplechase that is run in some US high school meets. Can't think of a world best for this event. Is there one? Was this a junior competition? If not, what's the point of a 1500m

t-and-f: '74 AAU XC Natls. @ CRYSTAL SPRINGS

Crystal Springs (Belmont, CA) served as my "home course" while at both CCSF and SF State University. I therefore have a serious love hate relationship with the less than subtle terrain... exposed, hilly, hot, rutted...all in all, brutal harrier geography. The venue "highlight" that I wanted to s

t-and-f: BAILEY WILL WIN 100M

I THINK DONOVAN IS GOING TO PULL IT OFF AGAIN. WHAT DO YOU THINK? ___ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html

t-and-f: Note to Statisticians

RRW Subscribers & Track Listers: Gianni DeMadonna's office reported that at the recent Meeting di Avezzano (ITA, 20-Aug) the winner of the men's 3000m race was Philmon Kemei Cheruiyot, a junior, 4th at the 2000 World Cross Country Championships Junior 8-K. In second place was Musa Kimeli, who r

Re: t-and-f: No XC Please!

There aren't many "real" XC courses in the US. Give me a creek to run over or a downed tree to jump over...that's "real" XC. A lot of college XC courses are run on what I like to call "grass tracks". Alan Get Your Privat

t-and-f: Re: Extracts from Ottey ruling (was IAAF inconsistencies)

On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Buck Jones wrote: > What I would like explained is how Ms. Ottey's sample became MORE dilute > between the time of voiding ("peeing" for us anti-scientific types), and the > time of analysis - specicfic gravity from 1.025 to 1.019. > > Who added the water? More likely, I thi

t-and-f: XC Please!

Speaking of real XC courses, there's a good chance the NCAA's will be moving back to the Northeast for the first time since 1993. Lehigh University - whose 10K course features lots of winding, twisting, hilly trails through the bucolic cornfields and foothills of Bethlehem, Pa. - has bid on th

Re: t-and-f: No XC Please!

Agreed! I remember Boston having a "Euro XC' race at Franklin Park with hay bales and stuff, but indeed, FP is a grass track. The last 2 NCAA XC courses have been pretty good, especially Lawrence, KS. Joe >From: "alan tobin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "alan tobin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To

Re: t-and-f: Extracts from Ottey ruling (was IAAF inconsistencies)

On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Kurt Bray wrote: > It is exactly these figures that do not make sense. To begin with the > arbitration panel report excerpt does not say what Ottey's positive > reading was prior to correction. I've read elsewhere that it she had > two positive readings, one about 10 and an

t-and-f: Australian Team

The Australian Team list is now displayed accompanied by some indication of their performance standard.   http://www.oztrack.com regardsSteve Bennetthttp://www.oztrack.com  

Re: t-and-f: No XC Please!

Cross Country IS a Field event. Apart from US most cross country is run in fields, and I suppose even golf courses are just well manicured fields. *grin* Keep talking cross country its as much a part of Athletics as sprinting. Mike - Original Message - From: "R.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:

t-and-f: Nandrolone controversy continues

Electronic Telegraph Thursday 24 August 2000 The controversy over nandrolone took another twist yesterday when UK Athletics revealed seven further positive tests - among volunteers taking part in scientific experiments. This research was submitted to the International Amateur Athletic Federation

Re: t-and-f: Nandrolone controversy continues

On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:18:02 -0700, you wrote: >Electronic Telegraph >Thursday 24 August 2000 > > >The controversy over nandrolone took another twist yesterday when UK >Athletics revealed seven further positive tests - among volunteers taking >part in scientific experiments. This research was sub

Re: t-and-f: BAILEY WILL WIN 100M

On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:35:38 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >I THINK DONOVAN IS GOING TO PULL IT OFF AGAIN. WHAT DO YOU THINK? Yes, I agree, he's going to pull off his sweats just before the quarterfinals. So are all the other athletes in the quarterfinals. RT

RE: t-and-f: Liquori 400 split

I think that Greg Fredericks had an identical split in the same meet.   malmo -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ed GrantSent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:33 PMTo: track netSubject: t-and-f: Liquori 400 split Netters:   

Re: t-and-f: XC Please!

Thanks for the update. Maybe I got the year wrong - could Lehigh have been awarded the 3002 race? --- Kelley Halliburton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Indiana State was already awarded the 2002 bid for > the > NCAA Division I cross country championships. = "This content in no way refle

t-and-f: real XC courses

It's a little out of the way, but one of my favorite XC courses is in the small town of Elkins, West Virginia. Davis & Elkins College (a DII school) has a course with two log jumps and four creek crossings for the 8K course, one log jump and two creek crossings for 5K, plus one hell of steep h

Re: t-and-f: real XC courses

Anyone ever run Berea College's XC course in Berea, KY? One nice little creek to hop, skip, and jump across plus the most grueling ungodly hill I've ever seen in an XC race, then you run/fall down the other side. Ran it once, tough as hell. It kinda lures you in with the flat and fast first mil

t-and-f: Crystal Springs

I am a little biased but for my money the best XC course I know is Crystal Springs Cross CountryCourse which is located in Belmont, California on Hallmark Drive. It hosts over 20 meets a year. From high school duel

Re: t-and-f: No CC Please!

>> The last 2 NCAA XC courses have been pretty good... For obvious reasons (see my address), I am partial to the course at Indiana University -- a dedicated CC course with a great set of hills and site of last year's NCAA championship. It's also the site every Wednesday evening in the summer and

t-and-f: sotomayor ok

The Associated Press is reporting that Javier Sotomayor's leg injury is minor -- a bruise of the upper left leg -- and that it is not expected to affect his presence in the Olympics. The AP said he was examined at the University of Pisa, near Viareggio, Italy, and that he would take one week o

t-and-f: Liquori 400 split

Netters:     Some time ago, there was an interchange on this list about Marty Liquori's relay PR at 440Y. I am going back over my newslatters now to compile NJ native all-comer lists for men and women and today came across a report on the 1971 IC4A meet with the note that he split 48.2

Re: t-and-f: Crystal Springs

The West Coast Conference championship is held every year at crystal springs. It is a tuff course because it's dusty and very hilly. My first year the course killed me. I had never run on a course with so many tuff hills. (Untill we went to Lawrence, Kansas for NCAA's) This past year I trained for

Re: t-and-f: No CC Please!

We could have Cross-Country be a part of the winter olympics. The guys would just bundle up and if needed throw on the snow shoes. The US would even have a chance at beating the guys from Kenya and Morraco due to the cold...that would be a great thing to see! Later, ROLIN On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Ch

t-and-f: was Crystal Springs. Now NCAA site selection

K. Rolin asked: "Will a NCAA's cross country meet ever be held on the west coast. Stanford and many other areas would be a great venue for the meet." I am sure another list member can better address this but the NCAA has a stipulation that requires a certain percentage of the participating sch

Re: t-and-f: Crystal Springs

Crystal Spring holds the West Coast Conference Chamionship each year, which is of course the conference meet of all college conference meets. In fact, if you'll remember they had held the PAC-10 Championships at Stanford Golf Course for quite a few years in a row until recently, just a few miles

t-and-f: Bill Sudeck Very Ill

Netters, Bill Sudeck, beginning his 47th year as head coach at Case Western Reserve University, the longest tenure of any head track coach at a four year college in the United States is very ill. The colon cancer which seemed cured has returned, this time metastasized to the lungs. I visited hi

Re: t-and-f: Liquori 400 split

Ed,   Wasn't he also on the winning College Frosh 4x440 relay team at Penn Relays in 1968 when freshman weren't yet eligible to run varsity? Maybe someone knows his split for that race.   Ed Koch -Original Message-From: Ed Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: track net <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: t-and-f: A masters Rosie Ruiz?

Dear Ken, At 09:49 PM 08/23/2000 EDT, Ken Stone wrote: >Y ask Y: > >A source has informed me of a possible cheating case in the masters ranks. A former world-class Kenyan runner named Andrew Masai won the masters division of the Beach to Beacon 10K in Cape Elizabeth, ME, on August 5, 2000. When

Re: t-and-f: Extracts from Ottey ruling (was IAAF inconsistencies)

What I would like explained is how Ms. Ottey's sample became MORE dilute between the time of voiding ("peeing" for us anti-scientific types), and the time of analysis - specicfic gravity from 1.025 to 1.019. Who added the water? More likely, I think, is that the lab made a more acurate measureme