t-and-f: By George, she's back

2002-02-24 Thread THOMAS,Graham
Encouraging return to the track in Perth today (Sun 24 Feb) by the former world record-holder. The 4.30m ranks her equal third in Australia this year. (result courtesy Dianne Poetschka). Finals WOMEN'S POLE VAULT 1. Emma George, UWA 4.30m; 2. Erryn Boxall, WTC 3.80m; 3. Skye Humphreys,

t-and-f: 42nd annual Los Angeles Invitational

2002-02-24 Thread Michael J. Roth
http://www.frankenenterprises.com/lai02results.htm

t-and-f: LA Indoor Results and Comments

2002-02-24 Thread DougSpeck
Results and commentary on events LA Indoor (surprisingly good Open affair with minimal funding by Franken group) http://prep.caltrack.com Doug Speck

t-and-f: USATF Release

2002-02-24 Thread Randall Northam
My, my - are all the usual suspects out running or is this as indefensible as it looks? I really expected the excuses to have been flowing freely by now... after all it's five hours since I received Ed's post. A few well chosen words in apology to Dick Pound would be in order from some people.

t-and-f: re: USATF Release

2002-02-24 Thread Michael J. Roth
Randall You (nor I) kow the facts of the case. As such, all comments on what happened in the process leading to the appeal are useless banter irresponsible. Dick Pound, nor anyone else, should have anything to say about it. If they want to bitch, remind them of the 1999 World Champs 50km RW

t-and-f: MAC Championship results and photos

2002-02-24 Thread tborish
Complete results from the Mid-American Conference Indoor Track Field Championships held at Bowling Green are now up along with over 70 photos at the MAC Track Field page. Visit www.mactrack.net for the most complete information. Thanks, Tom Borish www.mactrack.net

t-and-f: Pole Vault Tragedy

2002-02-24 Thread Trey Jackson
It would be totally appropriate to say that many of the members of this list are truly shocked and saddened by the untimely passing of the Penn State pole vault athlete at the Big Ten meet on Saturday. Penn State's loss of this fine young man is truly a loss for all of us involved in the sport.

t-and-f: re: USATF Release

2002-02-24 Thread Robert Hersh
Message text written by Michael J. Roth I'm sure that the TFN guys can give a history of Todd Long (who the heck is he anyway), but I've never seen his name anywhere that I can remember. Among other things, he was our National Indoor Champion at 200m in 1995. Bob H

Re: t-and-f: re: USATF Release

2002-02-24 Thread John Sun
I really wish there was a 6 month time limit on all appeals of this process. It would shut a lot of mouths on what goes on. Do the A B tests, if they both fail, you get 6 months from the day of the sample to present your case, no delays allowed for any reason. Present your case, if

t-and-f: Feofanova Again

2002-02-24 Thread Bob Ramsak
Some good pole vault news today after yesterday's tragedy at the Big-10 -- In Lievin FRA today Svetlana Feofanova raised the PV WR for the fourth time this season with a second attempt clearance of 4.74 -- that's roughly 15-6.5 for those of us isolated in Fortress America :) ... With the WR

t-and-f: Re: Penn State Tragedy

2002-02-24 Thread Ed Grant
Netters: Kevin Dare's death is indeed a tragedy, a tragedy that could jhave been averted long before he was born had the IAAF banned the flexible piole as soon as it was invented. If you con't recall, only a few season ago, three US HS athletes were killed in one year. I don not know

t-and-f: RE: PV Coaching

2002-02-24 Thread Michael J. Roth
Trey Sadly HS coaches certification has nothing to do with the individual sports they coach. They take a few courses on 1st aid general coaching. Priority always goes to a teacher in the district, which is mandated by their union contracts. Good (certified) coaches continually get screwed

Re: t-and-f: RE: PV Coaching

2002-02-24 Thread Mike Prizy
A good example of how little thought or concern goes toward certification - and how our U.S. legal system can also work against good common sense - in Illinois last season, the Illinois High School Association caved in on a lawsuit threat from the family of a female TF athlete and added girls

t-and-f: Big Ten calls off championships after death

2002-02-24 Thread Michael J. Roth
By ANDRES YBARRA, Associated Press MINNEAPOLIS (February 24, 2002 02:22 PM EST) - The Big Ten track and field indoor championships were called off Sunday, a day after a Penn State pole vaulter died in competition. The decision was made after a meeting of Big Ten coaches, conference athletic

RE: t-and-f: RE: PV Coaching

2002-02-24 Thread malmo
Nonsense. Bill Bowerman and Jumbo Elliot never had a coaching certificate. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael J. Roth Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 3:36 PM To: TF Listserve Subject: t-and-f: RE: PV Coaching Trey Sadly

Re: t-and-f: RE: PV Coaching

2002-02-24 Thread Michael J. Roth
Malmo Not so much nonsense. They could pass blindfolded and asleep. Its the non-Bowerman/Jumbos that I worry about. Those coaches schooled on Runners World TFN (sorry, nothing personal) are the problem. They have a basic knowledge, but little else, and often do more damage to the athletes

RE: t-and-f: RE: PV Coaching

2002-02-24 Thread malmo
I've seen the blather coming from Level I, II, III certified coaches, many times right here on this message board. You'd have to offer a lot more to convince me (except for the RW part). The best coach I ever had was Robert Budd, my high school coach and DC high school basketball legend. He knew

Best Coach I had (was Re: t-and-f: RE: PV Coaching)

2002-02-24 Thread Ed and Dana Parrot
The best coach I ever had was Robert Budd, my high school coach and DC high school basketball legend. He knew nothing about running, but everything there was to know about coaching and motivating athletes. They teach that at those expensive coaching junkets? For once I am in total agreement

Re: t-and-f: RE: PV Coaching

2002-02-24 Thread Martin J. Dixon
malmo wrote: I've seen the blather coming from Level I, II, III certified coaches, many times right here on this message board. You'd have to offer a lot more to convince me (except for the RW part). The best coach I ever had was Robert Budd, my high school coach and DC high school

Re: t-and-f: RE: PV Coaching

2002-02-24 Thread Martin J. Dixon
malmo wrote: I've seen the blather coming from Level I, II, III certified coaches, many times right here on this message board. You'd have to offer a lot more to convince me (except for the RW part). The best coach I ever had was Robert Budd, my high school coach and DC high school

RE: t-and-f: RE: PV Coaching

2002-02-24 Thread Fred Finke
Hi. Fred Finke Here. Although I sympathize greatly with Harry and the rest of the Penn team, I fail to see how this unfortunate occurrence has degenerated and turned this list into a HS coach bashing situation. Please remember that this was an accomplished collegiate athlete that was

Re: t-and-f: Re: Penn State Tragedy

2002-02-24 Thread Shawn Devereaux
Whether you fall head first on to a metal box mounted in concrete from 14 feet on a steel pole or from 18 feet on a fiberglass pole, odds are you are going to die. Pole material had absolutely nothing to do with it. From the accounts I've seen, he didn't move the pole to vertical and got upside

Re: t-and-f: Re: Penn State Tragedy

2002-02-24 Thread Trey Jackson
The origin this series of posts was not not bash high school coaches or coaching. My intention is to acknowledge that no matter how much we try, things still happen. My contention is that there needs to be a general raising of the standard for those getting into coaching. Yes, there are great

Re: t-and-f: Re: Penn State Tragedy

2002-02-24 Thread Trey Jackson
As a public school teacher who has lost my job due to financial woes of a school system, who has had to teach Phys. Ed. with little equipment, and who had had to deal with the politics of hiring, and all of the other issues that plague our schools, I am the first in line to praise what my fellow

Re: t-and-f: RE: PV Coaching

2002-02-24 Thread Bill Brist
Trey, It looks to me that you are promoting coaching education with your comments. It's a great topic. I'm a bit disappointed that it was brought up because of the accident of the Penn State pole vaulter as if this incident had any connection to lack of coaching education. The examples always