RE: t-and-f: women's AOY

I'd buy the non-versatility argument a lot better if all of Radcliffe's accomplishments were from say 10,000m through marathon. The marathon is 14 times 3000 meters. If Devers is such a great hurdler, why doesn't she do the 400 hurdles? That's only 4 times as far as she's used to and the

RE: t-and-f: women's AOY

All you physiologists out there- what are the energy system usage differences between 3k and 42k (especially at the paces Radcliffe is running and are there gender differences)? My recollection is that they're extremely close. The difference in distances (42k is 14 times longer than 3k)

Re: t-and-f: women's AOY

Marty Post wrote: I'd buy the non-versatility argument a lot better if all of Radcliffe's accomplishments were from say 10,000m through marathon. The marathon is 14 times 3000 meters. If Devers is such a great hurdler, why doesn't she do the 400 hurdles? That's only 4 times as far as she's

RE: t-and-f: women's AOY

Methinks Radcliffe's endeavours would be viewed in a different light if she were American . . . Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of ghill Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:46 AM To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: women's AOY

Re: t-and-f: women's AOY

now, you know that she could if she wanted too. Andre Phillips was another great example of hurdling versatily. In a message dated 8/1/2002 2:55:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The marathon is 14 times 3000 meters. If Devers is such a great hurdler, why doesn't she do the 400 hurdles? That's

RE: t-and-f: women's AOY

You are correct. The Brits, the Canadians and the Continentals would diss her and taint her with 'doping by association' :-) My personal view: Radcliffe should be on the 'short list' for AOY, if the season were to end today. So would Devers. But in my book, NEITHER is clear-cook

Re: t-and-f: women's AOY

I'm not so sure that Devers could mimic Andre. He was a long-legged type. She's a short-legged power sprinter. In fact, she's the type I'd pick to set records at Indoor 50 and 60 meter distances. Thus her 100m sprint victory at Barcelona. That usually doesn't translate well to 400H. Jackie

RE: t-and-f: women's AOY

No she wouldn't because Regina got silver in 97 and 99 and wasn't even in the ballpark for OAY My AOY list right now would be 1) Devers 2) Fefanova 3) Radcliffe 4)Bergvist - 2.04 is no joke! 5) Pintesevich 6) Jones From: Paul V. Tucknott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Paul V. Tucknott [EMAIL

t-and-f: AOY timng (was: women's AOY)

From: Randy Treadway[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Randy Treadway[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:05:07 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: women's AOY Today is August 1st. The real season is just starting. It's way too early for AOY talk. Man, it's NEVER too

Re: t-and-f: women's AOY

From: Paul V. Tucknott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Paul V. Tucknott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:53:48 -0400 To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: women's AOY Methinks Radcliffe's endeavours would be viewed in a different light if she were American . . .

RE: t-and-f: women's AOY

And just as field event athletes are hurt in AOY voting because they can only do one discipline, a marathoner is hurt because he/she can't compete but 2 or three times a year at their main event, whereas Devers can run every third or fourth day for virtually the entire summer. If Radcliffe

Re: t-and-f: women's AOY

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 12:59:58 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: women's AOY If Radcliffe runs close to sub-30:00 in München and breaks 2:20 again in Chicago she's gotta be AOY, unless Devers breaks the WR. Hmm...

RE: t-and-f: women's AOY

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the energy system usage for a marathon is something to the tune of 99% aerobic/1% anaerobic. The 10k is 95% aerobic/5% anaerobic. The 5k is 90% aerobic/10% anaerobic. The 3k/2mile is 80% aerobic/20% anaerobic. The mile is 60% aerobic/40% anaerobic.

Re: t-and-f: women's AOY

When you run between 12.40 and 12.60 week after week, for YEARS, and you're neck and neck with your competition, then your competition DISAPPEARS on you and starts running 12.8-12.9ish, are you left as AOY by default? In my mind AOY involves not just head-to-head accomplishments, but usually

Re: t-and-f: women's AOY

From: Randy Treadway[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Randy Treadway[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:51:50 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: women's AOY When you run between 12.40 and 12.60 week after week, for YEARS, and you're neck

t-and-f: fact you don't want to hear: (was women's AOY)

From: Randy Treadway[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Randy Treadway[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:51:50 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: women's AOY In my mind AOY involves not just head-to-head accomplishments, but usually also

Re: t-and-f: women's AOY

on 1/8/02 18:25, ghill at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... Radcliffe has trouble getting much credence from me for a fast 10K in Munich (even if she wins it) simply becuase it won't have any Africans; won't do anything to stamp her as world No. 1 (even if she ranks as that) in my eyes. Devers

Re: t-and-f: fact you don't want to hear: (was women's AOY)

For years, that's the way not only AOY, but also all things of value in the sport were measured: the quest for records. With drugs having artificially altered the curve of a natural progression of WRs, we've lost years of gradual increase and are probably close to out of luck in that

t-and-f: Kim Collins test positive

anyone have the word on this??

Re: t-and-f: Kim Collins test positive- story

A HREF=http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20020801/ap_wo_en_po/s ports_comm_games_drugs_collins_3Yahoo! News - Collins tests positive at Commonw…/A

t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story

from story.news.yahoo.com (under sports) MANCHESTER, England (AP) - Kim Collins, the surprise 100 meters winner from St. Kitts, became the first Commonwealth Games gold medalist to test positive for drugs. Games officials announced that Collins wouldn't face punishment because the substance,

Re: t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story

important question not addressed here is whether or not IAAF will accept the CGF decision. Obviously (see Mary Slaney), what other alphabet bodies do doesn't always count. From: Kebba Tolbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Kebba Tolbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:38:18 -0400

Re: t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story

Games officials announced that Collins wouldn't face punishment because the substance, used in asthma medication to make breathing easier, wasn't performance-enhancing. He was guilty only of not declaring it. If it's not performance-enchancing and it's not illegal, why is anyone or any

Re: t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story

From: Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 23:38:55 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story Games officials announced that Collins wouldn't face punishment because

Re: t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story

Isn't the problem though that the low levels could just be higher levels that have been reduced as the stuff passes through his system? How do they know it isn't? Regards, Martin ghill wrote: From: Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002

Re: t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story

But that is true for any drug/substance if a detection level is used: Above the level, positive; below the level, negative. Same thing happens when a ratio is used - i.e. T/E ratio changes with time. More out-of-competition testing would nab more of these. Martin J. Dixon wrote: Isn't the