Re: [Tagging] Motorroad does not apply to all lanes

2015-01-21 Thread Martin Vonwald
2015-01-21 18:08 GMT+01:00 715371 osmu715...@gmx.de: Here is a picture of the situation. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Special_motorroad_situation.jpg Interesting... and confusing ;-) Is there any motorroad signpost before that part of the road? When looking at the photo I'm

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Traffic Signals)

2015-01-21 Thread Lukas Schaus
The practical use is that routing algorithms can calculate the travel time more accurate if the durations are known. By specifying the via ways a routing algorithm knows which signals can be ignored. Simulations can be done more precisely. To reply to the other comments: I am aware of the

[Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-21 Thread Tod Fitch
Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com Sat Jan 17 21:27:13 UTC 2015 Less work if intermittent is simply used without the frequency extension .. thus: intermittent=yes/no/winter/spring/summer/autum/seasonal/ephemeral (default assumption of no) Note 'fall' = northern American english,

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-21 Thread Lukas Sommer
No! Flood prone means that they are expected to be flooded from time to time. Nothing about the design. So you would have to tag also each wadi, each river and each lake because this area is covered with water? Maybe the terms “designed” and “expected” are missleading. But the question is: How

Re: [Tagging] Motorroad does not apply to all lanes

2015-01-21 Thread 715371
Hi, Here is a picture of the situation. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Special_motorroad_situation.jpg Cheers Tobias Am 20.01.2015 um 15:05 schrieb Martin Vonwald: 2015-01-20 14:56 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 20.01.2015 um 08:44 schrieb Martin

Re: [Tagging] Motorroad does not apply to all lanes

2015-01-21 Thread 715371
Am 21.01.2015 um 00:03 schrieb Mariusz: Judging from Google Street photos (from 2008) all four lanes are motorrad. The sign 331.2 - end of motorrad - can be seen at about this location: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1968608980 This would imply the way

Re: [Tagging] Motorroad does not apply to all lanes

2015-01-21 Thread 715371
Am 21.01.2015 um 19:41 schrieb Martin Vonwald: Is there any motorroad signpost before that part of the road? No. The only existing sign on that link is that one on the picture. There is no second on the right hand side, too. If you mean the other direction:

Re: [Tagging] Mail Threading / was: Wiki Edit War ...

2015-01-21 Thread Tom Pfeifer
jgpacker wrote on 2015-01-21 15:56: I agree. Sorry, I thought the previous messages we renecessary so the server could find out the who answered to who and to which thread this belongs. No that is what References (previous Message-IDs in the thread) in the header are for, in your mail:

Re: [Tagging] Mail Threading / was: Wiki Edit War ...

2015-01-21 Thread jgpacker
Hi, Richard managed to explain to me in a private email after that email, but thanks for the intention! jgpacker wrote on 2015-01-21 15:56: I agree. Sorry, I thought the previous messages we renecessary so the server could find out the who answered to who and to which thread this belongs. No

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Никита
traffic_calming = table; choker in Russia? This is not specific to Russia actually. Not many software will support tagging: traffic_calming:table=yes traffic_calming:chocker=yes Is there problem to tag this in database and covert to traffic_calming = table; choker to get support in legacy

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Никита
When you ask to have it rendered, one of the arguments for not doing so is that those extra fields are not imported in the DB specifically set up for rendering. It's considered too complicated, if data is clean and consistent, conversion process should be easy even for legacy renders or routing

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread jgpacker
Getting all places with japanese and chinese cuisine around the globe in Overpass: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/7b2 2015-01-21 8:09 GMT-02:00 Никита [via GIS] ml-node+s19327n5830778...@n5.nabble.com: traffic_calming = table; choker in Russia? This is not specific to Russia actually. Not many

Re: [Tagging] AddrN

2015-01-21 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 19.01.2015 12:06, Paul Johnson wrote: This seems like a particularly strange edge case for the address scheme, but I'm curious if any of those valid addresses are consider the primary? Usually the postal address which you give in your official documents is considered the primary. But this

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Jo
The 'new' public transport scheme actually has 'binary' keys for bus, tram, train, etc. When you ask to have it rendered, one of the arguments for not doing so is that those extra fields are not imported in the DB specifically set up for rendering. It's considered too complicated, even though the

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Никита
Getting all places with japanese and chinese cuisine around the globe in Overpass: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/7b2 cuisine data is clean is *easy to query right now. *It may get more complicated at every moment. Better try to query for 13 in ref=3;10;13;113;133 without loosing your sanity. Next

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Marc Gemis
Please calm down. And do not insult other people. Java has regular expressions as well [1], I know they are not for the every day user, but this problem also holds for OR, AND. There are a lot of people that do not understand logical expressions. Furthermore, many word editors allow to search for

[Tagging] Ford and other river crossing : (was : waterway=wadi problem)

2015-01-21 Thread Eric Sibert
My apologize for switching the discussion (so I change the title accordingly) and also for slowly answering. First, I was not aware of depth=* use recommendation with ford=yes although it is in the wiki for years. Let me back to Madagascar. We have: - unpaved road crossing permanent river

Re: [Tagging] Ford and other river crossing : (was : waterway=wadi problem)

2015-01-21 Thread johnw
I have one last case: some low profile bridge (without parapet) may be submerged after heavy rain but may be still usable if water depth above the bridge in not too high. How to tag this? I was going to ask this - as most of the fords in Southern California are only made for

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Nadjita
On 21.01.2015 09:06, Никита wrote: If you trying to parse name=school *with any regex *to map it as amenity=school* *you are wrong. OSM is not for you. If you trying to parse currency=bitcoin;coin for coin, then stop it right now. You have no idea how regexes or tags in osm work. While I

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Никита
Just because one can use a regular expression to grep out a certain meaning doesn't mean it's a good thing to do and will always work We easily revert these edits in Russia. Quite often user who want to show their regex fu will fail so hard to guess actual properly of the real world. We care

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Dan S
Now you're insulting the one person who was supporting you? Please STOP this thread everyone. Please. 2015-01-21 8:55 GMT+00:00 Никита acr...@gmail.com: Just because one can use a regular expression to grep out a certain meaning doesn't mean it's a good thing to do and will always work We

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Никита
Никита, you really need to accept regexe is a widely used technology and one you really are not going to stamp out. You missing the point. I do aware of POSIX standard. I do aware of perl quirks and overengineered regex syntax. JOSM uses Java. There no command line wiht perl in Java. STOP your

Re: [Tagging] AddrN

2015-01-21 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 21.01.2015 13:00, Andrew Shadura wrote: if that's the case, what's wrong with creating a node on the building for each additional valid address? People looking for an amenity could look up closest POIs after finding a secondary address. It's not a clean situation, It's a best guess

Re: [Tagging] AddrN

2015-01-21 Thread Andrew Shadura
On 21 January 2015 at 13:17, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: And if that's the case, what's wrong with creating a node on the building for each additional valid address? People looking for an amenity could look up closest POIs after finding a secondary address. It's not a clean

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/21/2015 12:07 PM, Никита wrote: *route_ref:De_Lijn:8=yes* *route_ref:De_Lijn:9=yes* *route_ref:De_Lijn:284=yes* I want to see bolded keys in database directly No. Relations have been invented specifically to avoid this. Conceputally, the value space should not overflow into the

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Mabbett wrote: Are any of the list's moderators reading? Please see https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-January/021249.html Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Please a) stop insulting people and using hyperbolic language b) quote, and snip, properly rather than top-posting and repeating the entire previous message As you can see from https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging I have administrative powers on this list, and if this thread

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Никита
We don't want name:Main Street=yes. You are mixing everything in key, this is not what I suggest. fullsemantickey=fullsemangicvalue shouldn't be moved to fullsemantickey:fullsemangicvalue=yes This makes to sense, now you have to parse key instead of value... I only talk about separating

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=*

2015-01-21 Thread Hubert
Thank you (Warin, fly, Andy) for the replies. I know think that I have a basic understanding why *we* favor sidewalk=* over footway=*. Again, thank you all. Hubert ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] AddrN

2015-01-21 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 19.01.2015 17:41, Clifford Snow wrote: If these are conscription numbers, why not use the addr:conscriptionnumber tag? It is document in the wiki [1] and appears to be in use. It would also appear more accurate and less likely to lead to misuse. [1]

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Richard Mann
Click on the dots, ctrl-a, delete. It's a lot easier than regex. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread jgpacker
I agree. Sorry, I thought the previous messages we renecessary so the server could find out the who answered to who and to which thread this belongs. So when you said snip the message, I thought of quoting the part you are answering and not of excluding previous emails. 2015-01-21 12:51 GMT-02:00

Re: [Tagging] Contents of Tagging Digest, Vol 64, Issue 84, 5 tagging allumination quality

2015-01-21 Thread Volker Schmidt
Hendrik, Great invention I would say, but not my problem here. I would invent something like lit:level=automatic. Volker On 21 January 2015 at 15:50, St Niklaas st.nikl...@live.nl wrote: Message: 5 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 08:55:37 +0100 From: Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com To: Tag

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 21 January 2015 at 02:16, Никита acr...@gmail.com wrote: Ad hominem. Wow. You are so low. Then: You are not only ignorant but annoying person. There no place for your proganda or your unjustified claims. and: And you are egoiste who poison OSM database with garbage data. Are any of

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread jgpacker
Better try to query for 13 in ref=3;10;13;113;133 without loosing your sanity. Next day I will add ref=3;10;13;113;133;13E — will you update your query? I believe the following regular expression is enough for both examples: ref ~ \b13\b \b means word boundary (any character that

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Marc Gemis
Please snip the message to which you are replying to reduce it to the minimum required. The problem might be that some mail programs (such a gmail), just reduce the included message to a button with 3 dots. So, one might not be aware that there are hundreds of lines under it. regards m.

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
jgpacker wrote: [8 lines of text plus 240 lines of quote] Repeated request: Please snip the message to which you are replying to reduce it to the minimum required. Anyone continuing to post disproportionately formatted messages like this will be removed from the list. Thank you. Richard

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Никита
\b means word boundary (any character that starts or ends a word, such as space, colon, semicolon, etc) However, word boundaries can be slow and are not recommended if you need to search large areas (e.g. whole world, germany or similar). In this case, we could use something like: ref ~