Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

On 01/10/18 22:23, yo paseopor wrote: > Technically markings painted on the road are...traffic signs itself (in > some countries there are specific codes to this items) and also they > have their importance , you cannot ignore them This is certainly the case in the UK. A highway=give_way is genera

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

Am Di., 2. Okt. 2018 um 03:17 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > It's not always necessary or possible to interpret the language of a brand > name. > +1 > > But in this case I think we can say it's clearly an English brand name. > "Spazio Italian Bistrot" isn't a re

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

Am Di., 2. Okt. 2018 um 07:00 Uhr schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick < graemefi...@gmail.com>: > As a real common example, you have McDonalds all (or virtually) over the > world, so how does the name appear on OSM maps in non-English speaking > countries? > It is not about language, it rather depends on

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

Am Di., 2. Okt. 2018 um 06:32 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > You are supposed to be able to get all that information by using a closed > way for the boundary of the RV park. Then all the other features are > contained within that boundary. > yes, and from my under

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

Oops, I should have checked the map! I assumed it was in England for some reason. My internet connection is terrible and I avoid following links. If it’s in Germany, it would be perfectly fine to use name:de=Spazio Italian Bistrot, if most local people will be pronouncing it like a German name. Bu

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

Le 02. 10. 18 à 11:27, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > Am Di., 2. Okt. 2018 um 06:32 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg > > You are supposed to be able to get all that information by using a > closed way exept for distributed site like wind turbine site or a school that has 3 buildings on the

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2. Oct 2018 11:44 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com : > or a school that has 3 buildings on the same street but with other > buildings among themselves that do not belong to the school. > Sounds like a simple multipolygon with these 3 buildings as outer ways.

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

There are much better food options than McDonald’s in Thailand! Actually I believe use the original, English brand name on the signs there. https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query= แมคโดนัลด์%20chang%20mai#map=19/18.78375/99.00043 Fortunately, Nominatum will find you things in Thailand even if

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2. Oct 2018 05:15 by ba...@ursamundi.org : >> >> >> >> - this data is basically not usable.  >> > Sure it is.  Say I want to know what amenities an RV park has in another > city...you could go  "hey, what does Somewhereville RV Park have?" or just > throw Somewherev

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

Am Di., 2. Okt. 2018 um 11:40 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > If it’s in Germany, it would be perfectly fine to use name:de=Spazio > Italian Bistrot, if most local people will be pronouncing it like a German > name. But it might make the most sense to just use name=*

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

Am Di., 2. Okt. 2018 um 11:54 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > There are much better food options than McDonald’s in Thailand! > Food? It could be interesting for the toilets. Looking at Dubai, they seem to double post fast food brand names, but the place is clearly

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

BTW, do you have an opinion about the subject of this thread? Should the tag be default:language=* rather than language:default=*? It will be some work to edit the proposal to change the order of the tag, but I'll be happy to do it if a few more people agree. On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Marti

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

Let's start another thread site VS multipolygons. It's interesting and it would be godd to keep in the archives. Le 2 octobre 2018 12:00:15 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : >2. Oct 2018 05:15 by ba...@ursamundi.org : > > >>> >>> >>> >>> - this data is basicall

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

Hi Please be aware OSM is geospatially aware. Your example should have a boundary from which any amenity within can be determined. I've noticed an increase in the unnecessary use relations in the belief they're the only way to 'collect things together'. The 'site' type is just one example. I

[Tagging] relation site <> multipolygon

Le 02. 10. 18 à 11:46, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > Can you link this case if that is more complicated? it's a fictional example. ok not the better one. take again the example you cut in the initial message: a wind turbin site with a few turbines represented by a few nodes I hope your solution i

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

sent from a phone > On 2. Oct 2018, at 12:11, Yves wrote: > > It's interesting and it would be godd to keep in the archives. for the archives it would be best to put summaries of the discussion in the wiki, e.g. on the talk pages, and or link the ML thread from there. I’ve been doing this

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

sent from a phone > On 2. Oct 2018, at 12:09, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Should the tag be default:language=* rather than language:default=*? it is just names, it doesn’t matter for me which one is first. Or default_language. I’m interested in the way it works. Are there multiple values

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:47 AM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > 2. Oct 2018 11:44 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com: > > or a school that has 3 buildings on the same street but with other > buildings among themselves that do not belong to the school. > > > Sounds like a simple multipolygon with these 3 bui

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

But what if the pronunciation of a known brand is different ? e.g. VW is pronounced differently in Dutch and German. IKEA is different in Dutch and English, Opel in French and German, etc. I know that they are brands, but do you expect those "common" names to be pronounced in the local language of

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

>> >> > To keep things simple, we'll do the same thing for traffic signs: >> `traffic_sign:direction=forward/backward` > > > Please , for doing traffic_sign:direction is better to put direction=* tag. > >> > I still highway=give_way and highway=stop with >> direction=forward/backward (which is use

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

Javbw > On Oct 2, 2018, at 8:02 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > 90% of the land in some western American States will be owned and managed by > some level of government This is not about who is on the operator=* tag on a hundred square miles of grazing lands in Colorado. It is about map

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

Ok Are you agree with the tag traffic_sign:direction=forward/backward? If you are agree please change "automatically" all the traffic_signs:forward/backward to the new traffic_sign:direction)=forward/backward If you do that I would change all the presets, the styles and the kendzi3D instructions

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

Oh, I understand this tag. I was just concerned that other mappers might misuse the tag if it isn't clear. I know that as a new user (just a few months ago!) I would often just try typing in words in the ID editor, and picking the tag that looked right. Who has time to follow the link to the wiki

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

Traffic_sign is on a node beside of above a road. There where, it is. This is the basis, the derivative is tagged on the road, as ... The direction=* says, the facing direction of the sign/shield. Important: indicates the direction in which the law applies. This could be various. Depends on

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 8:06 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I’m interested in the way it works. Are there multiple values allowed? Yes; you can use "=fr;nl" for Brussels and "=zh;zh_pinyin" for Hong Kong, because the local communities in those cities have already decided to display both languag

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

It is not the better thing to say " we can't control the tagging of an item so we can map it". Why we can't control them? Can we control the trees you have on the map? Can we control the street lamps of the map?...so we can control EVERYTHING on the map and its orientation (of course with the corr

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Default Language Format

On 24/09/18 14:36, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: "The key language:default=* with a 2 or 3 letter ISO language code should be tagged on administrative boundary relations, such as countries, provinces and aboriginal communities. In Ireland, there are legally defined areas, collectively "The Gaeltacht"

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2. Październik 2018 13:30 od pla16...@gmail.com : > On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:47 AM Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoni...@tutanota.com > > > wrote: > >> >> 2. Oct 2018 11:44 by >> marc_marc_...@hotmail.com >>

Re: [Tagging] relation site <> multipolygon

2. Październik 2018 12:36 od marc_marc_...@hotmail.com : > Le 02. 10. 18 à 11:46, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > > Can you link this case if that is more complicated? > it's a fictional example. ok not the better one. > > take again the example you cut in the in

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 4:02 PM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Why selecting buildings and tagging them to site relation is easier than > selecting building and adding them to a multipolygon realation? > I can't even begin to comprehend how that would possibly work. Well, maybe I can. If we make the

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 11:15 AM Paul Allen wrote: >> Why selecting buildings and tagging them to site relation is easier than >> selecting building and adding them to a multipolygon realation? > > > I can't even begin to comprehend how that would possibly work. > > Well, maybe I can. If we make

Re: [Tagging] relation site <> multipolygon

This my pet use case for a site relation: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3161183#map=7/46.532/6.097 I'm not confortable to draw polygons around the ski pistes to then build a landuse=winter_sport multipolygon. Given the wildlife conservation rules in the area, I also doubt I can include

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

On 02.10.2018 16:44, yo paseopor wrote: > Also it is not the best call "undersigns" . There are signs too, with > their code, and you can put in on second place or third place , like > traffic_sign:2 as Finnish people does. Or put them in a comma-separated list, which is the international standard

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 4:39 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 11:15 AM Paul Allen wrote: > >> Why selecting buildings and tagging them to site relation is easier > than selecting building and adding them to a multipolygon realation? > > Are you labouring under the misapprehension

Re: [Tagging] relation site <> multipolygon

This relation combines a number of cave entrances the belong to the same system that is apparantly protected: http://gk.historic.place/historische_objekte/translate/en/index-en.html?zoom=16&lat=50.67804&lon=7.22231&layers=BFT&detail=3 On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 5:08 PM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 05:01:17PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > I can give you a case that is more complicated.  The University of > > Edinburgh.  As well as a main> campus, and a subsidiary mini-campus,  it > > has individual buildings scattered all around the city.> It could be mapped

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

The description for Edinburgh University applies equally for many of the older universities all over Europe, including "my" local one, University of Padova, Italy. It's not present in OSM as a single entity (e.g. site) but as same fourty separate amenity=university buildings, scattered over the cit

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

On Mon, 2018-10-01 at 23:29 +0200, Viking wrote: > > Hi Alberto, > > Nice to see you back there :) > > Regarding check_date, I'd go in favor of operational_status:date. > > working:* is too specific to fully functional hydrants, what about > > disused or dry ones? > > Then operational_status is a m

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 17:01:33 +0100 Paul Allen wrote: > Even if a multipolygon can have many disconnected outers, it seems > I'd have to make each university > building an outer. And then there are no inners. So even if it can > be done that way, it seems like > an abuse of the concept, which I t

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2. Oct 2018 19:27 by ricoz@gmail.com : > On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 05:01:17PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >> > I can give you a case that is more complicated.  The University of >> > Edinburgh.  As well as a main> campus, and a subsidiary mini-campus,  it

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2. Oct 2018 18:01 by pla16...@gmail.com : > On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 4:39 PM Kevin Kenny <> kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 11:15 AM Paul Allen <>> pla16...@gmail.com >> >> > wro

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 09:05:53PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > > 2. Oct 2018 19:27 by ricoz@gmail.com : > > > > On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 05:01:17PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > >> > I can give you a case that is more complicated.  The Universit

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

The sum total of all of the properties making up a university absolutely is an area. -- Andrew From: Richard Sent: 02 October 2018 20:21:45 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations" On Tue,

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2. Oct 2018 21:21 by ricoz@gmail.com : > On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 09:05:53PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >> >> why abuse? Sole reason for multipolygon relations is to tag >> disjointed areas or areas with holes in them. > > you name it. AREAS. A university i

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

sent from a phone > On 2. Oct 2018, at 21:05, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > why abuse? Sole reason for multipolygon relations is to tag > > disjointed areas or areas with holes in them. > it is also useful for “reusing” way geometries to create different logical entities (one outer way is

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

sent from a phone > On 2. Oct 2018, at 17:01, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Why selecting buildings and tagging them to site relation is easier than > selecting building and adding them to a multipolygon realation? you don’t need polygons for the site relation, you can add nodes... Cheers

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

> On Oct 2, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > >> On 2. Oct 2018, at 17:01, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> >> Why selecting buildings and tagging them to site relation is easier than >> selecting building and adding them to a multipolygon realation? >

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 12:03 PM Paul Allen wrote: > Even if a multipolygon can have many disconnected outers, it seems I'd have > to make each university > building an outer. And then there are no inners. So even if it can be done > that way, it seems like > an abuse of the concept, which I th

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 09:32:59PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > 2. Oct 2018 21:21 by ricoz@gmail.com : > > > > On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 09:05:53PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > >> > >> why abuse? Sole reason for multipolygon relations is to tag > >> di

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

> > There's no reason to reinvent the wheel here. Plus, as far as I can tell, > the suffix (:2) solution doesn't work when there's more than one "main" > traffic sign. > I dont reinvent anything. Multivalues are hard to manage but also you don't have more than one "main" traffic signs. European c

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Default Language Format

Thank you for bringing up this local example. I had wondered about Ireland. How are the Gaeltacht legally defined? Is there a public domain source for the boundaries, beyond the street signs? Do the boundary lines correspond with village or municipal boundaries? I see that Wiki page Ireland/Boun

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 19:54, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > There are much better food options than McDonald’s in Thailand! > I'd be astounded if there weren't! - I don't even eat the stuff here :-) Just picked the name as something that's found world-wide. Actually I believe use the original, Engli

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

I do quite a bit of mapping in Thailand and generally speaking, mappers in our community of OSMers don't tagThai names for brands like McDonalds, KFC, Burger King, 7-Elevens, Starbucks, and simlilar outfits. Occasionally, someone will add a name in Thai characters to one of these but the venues mos