Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-30 Thread althio
Sorry, I was thinking of gas as a product (as in natural gas), not a state of matter. Confusing, so I proposed natural_gas for natural gas. I was thinking of substance=* as a category (water, fuel, oil, gas, coolant, etc etc I think we need (as often as possible) to tag separately nature and

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-30 Thread althio
John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: Substance=gas Substance:detailed:multiphase_gas Substance:state=multi That is not coherent. Do you mean that (substance=gas) is for mainly gas or gas-only? If it is gas only (substance=gas), it can be multiple gaseous products. But it is not multiphase. And

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-30 Thread John Willis
Is there some decision on helping it all in one tag - Btw - isn't it states of matter? Substance:state= solid liquid gas (plasma?) multi would a pneumatic garbage pipe be gas or solid, since it moves solid stuff (and implies pneumatic or such ?) Substance=gas

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-30 Thread johnw
On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:51 PM, althio althio.fo...@gmail.com wrote: John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: Substance=gas Substance:detailed:multiphase_gas Substance:state=multi That is not coherent. Do you mean that (substance=gas) is for mainly gas or gas-only? If it is gas only

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-29 5:41 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com: if this is the proper term used for pipelines, then this would be the right one, Otherwise, =multi (like sports) would be the best. but you would not need such a tag, since it would be substance=gas substance:detailed=multiphase_gas if you

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-29 Thread fly
Am 29.01.2015 um 10:59 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2015-01-29 5:41 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com: if this is the proper term used for pipelines, then this would be the right one, Otherwise, =multi (like sports) would be the best. but you would not need such a tag,

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-29 Thread althio
Throwing out my ideas... Disclaimer: These are generic proposals for pipeline sub-tagging with example values for illustration. I do not want to derail this towards water/drinking_water and multi-values (semicolon or namespaced). ;) I propose 3 keys: use/purpose (as main subtag), state/phase and

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-29 Thread Rainer Fügenstein
I'd like to repeat once again that substance doesn't seem to be a nice key descriptor for values like ... during the draft stage, I (we) couldn't come up with an expression that covered everything that might one day be transported in a pipeline. content ... too static medium ... too spooky

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-29 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Rainer Fügenstein r...@oudeis.org wrote: during the draft stage, I (we) couldn't come up with an expression that covered everything that might one day be transported in a pipeline. fluid? ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-29 Thread Rainer Fügenstein
and what exactly is a neutron bean? correction: should read neutron beam ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-29 Thread Warin
On 30/01/2015 5:07 AM, Rainer Fügenstein wrote: I'd like to repeat once again that substance doesn't seem to be a nice key descriptor for values like ... during the draft stage, I (we) couldn't come up with an expression that covered everything that might one day be transported in a pipeline.

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-29 Thread Warin
On 29/01/2015 3:41 PM, johnw wrote: substance=fuel substance:detailed=drinking_water isn't it just as error prone as substance=fuel fuel=drinking_water ? As the error is on one line it is easier for a human to pick up, either as it is made or on checking. An error that is a relation

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-29 Thread Warin
On 28/01/2015 10:57 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: if you want the liquid information, use aggregate_state=liquid IMHO for pipelines it would be more interesting to tag the pressure and the inner diameter of the tube. Agreed in part. If 'we' tag what we see at the site .. then the pipe

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-29 Thread althio
On 29 January 2015 at 22:54, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/01/2015 5:07 AM, Rainer Fügenstein wrote: I'd like to repeat once again that substance doesn't seem to be a nice key descriptor for values like ... content ... too static medium ... too spooky product ... is sewage a

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-28 13:06 GMT+01:00 SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk: grey water has a specific meaning (waste water that isn't sewage and can be further used for e.g. irrigation). If that's what you mean - great. If you just mean water that you can't drink, then just use something that describes

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread Rainer Fügenstein
Hello Warin, Wednesday, January 28, 2015, 8:48:16 AM, you wrote: W Request For Discussion W http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:substance thanks for picking up thus topic. I have to leave in a few minutes for a 6 week assignment, therefore only just a few words: - my intention impression

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-28 12:01 GMT+01:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: So for natural gas worked out to that basic level, as one example, that would be substance = gas gas=fuel fuel=natural_gas I believe this is pointlessly complicated and semantically incorrect, why not tag: substance=natural_gas

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread SomeoneElse
On 28/01/2015 11:43, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-01-28 8:48 GMT+01:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com: Unfortunately this does not have a tag for non drinking water .. possible values could be non-potable_water grey_water I like grey_water

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread Warin
On 28/01/2015 8:41 PM, Rainer Fügenstein wrote: Hello Warin, Wednesday, January 28, 2015, 8:48:16 AM, you wrote: W Request For Discussion W http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:substance thanks for picking up thus topic. I have to leave in a few minutes for a 6 week assignment, therefore

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-28 8:48 GMT+01:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: Unfortunately this does not have a tag for non drinking water .. possible values could be non-potable_water grey_water I like grey_water According to taginfo the values in decreasing use are water (30%), gas, heat, sewrage,

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread Rainer Fügenstein
hi, first, I wouldn't use the value of substance=* as key for the detailed level, because in this case we would introduce a new key (i.e. fuel=) whenever a new substance is introduced (i.e. substance=fuel). second, I'd stick with two levels (general, detailed), otherwise we'd eventually end

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread johnw
On Jan 28, 2015, at 8:01 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Oh.. 'multiphase' is a mixture of gas, fuel and water as it comes out of some well heads if this is the proper term used for pipelines, then this would be the right one, Otherwise, =multi (like sports) would be the best.

[Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-27 Thread Warin
Request For Discussion http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:substance Pipe lines currently exist for non drinking water in various part of the world. And have done for some time. They are becoming more numerous as efforts to save water and reduce environmental impacts increase.