Well, whatever the news is, I for one can’t wait.
> On Mar 24, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk
> wrote:
>
> I just saw the following posted on another list:
>
> Hi All,
> I just confirmed with Eric that VFO will be making a statement about the
> future of Window Eyes in q2, i.e. soon
The podcast I heard on Main menu indicated that Window-eyes will be
around for the forseeable future. If any updates have to be made, i'm
sure they'll make them available. Many people have indicated that this
is the case, yet these rumors and speculation that it's dying continues.
People li
If you were treating this industry as a business, when would you make major
announcements?
The speculation from list members suggests close to your summer conventions -
NFB and ACB.
However: Freedom Scientific has a new 40 cell Braille notetaker coming out
later this year. I've already advised
'll purchase another SMA, if one is even available
once the last upgrade I have is gone.
-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 5:35 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: future of window-eyes
The podcast I heard on Main menu
I agree.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 6:36 PM
To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: future of window-eyes
The podcast I heard on Main
Eyes Discussion List'
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 7:21 PM
Subject: RE: future of window-eyes
I agree.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 6
Tony and Vaughan, I am in your shoes! The podcast in question HAD SCANT
information about Window-Eyes! In fact, it seemed as if the statement made
was COERCED or somewhat FORCED out of the mouth of the interviewee.
For me to believe that Window-Eyes is alive, I shall have to see either the
sam
Thanks Loy! I've never ever, in the years I have been a customer of GW
Micro or AI Squared, heard the loud sound of a coin falling on the carpet.
By now, there shall have been so many teasers about upcoming add-ons to
Window-Eyes! As a matter of fact, a number of beta-testing cycles would
have go
You do realized that no one forced AI Squared into an agreement with
Freedom Scientific?
On 4/7/2017 11:24 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
wrote:
> Thanks Loy! I've never ever, in the years I have been a customer of GW
> Micro or AI Squared, heard the loud sound of a coin
I listened to part of the main menu podcast the other day and I was surprised
at how little was said about the future of window eyes. For now, the word is
that nothing is changing. I don't know what that means! I just don't want to
get caught not having the things I need to do the work I need to
And isn't that the truth?
Vaughan.
On 4/8/2017 5:35 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
You do realized that no one forced AI Squared into an agreement with
Freedom Scientific?
On 4/7/2017 11:24 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
wrote:
Thanks Loy! I've never ever, in the
t.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: future of window-eyes
I listened to part of the main menu podcast the other day and I was
surprised at how little was said about the future of window eyes. For now,
the word is that nothing is changing. I don't know what that means! I just
don
It means that there will not be any developments, but the Window-Eyes
for Office deal will still run. I think the question and response
should have brought about some probing for something more satisfactory.
It bothers me that too many people are gagged due to non-disclosure
agreements. Thu
Maybe AI Squared was not technically forced into an agreement with VFO,
but they may have seen the handwriting on the wall and realized it was
their best option. I still wonder if AI knew they were goin to join VFO
prior to merging with GW.
Whatever the case, it is a done deal, and nothing i
when I listened to Jeff bishop talk, on the Main Menu podcast, I felt
like he was all excited that now all the companies - Google, Microsoft,
VFO, would all work together now. I think this is what is being sold to
groups like ACB and NFB, blind service agencies, etc.
To some extent, this may
Yes, AI Squared may not have been forced into a deal with V F O; but it was
most certainly cajoled in some other way by a series of tricks! The
question mark is, did AI Squared see that handwriting on the wall? Did GW
Micro also saw the handwriting on the wall before even agreeing to a merger
wit
If this does come to fruition, the great thing is that
people have choices and they're not tied to just one thing.
They can a. switch to a different screenreader such as NVDA, and cut
the costs of SMA's and other software agreements.
b. They can switch to jaws, although I s
, 2017 7:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
If this does come to fruition, the great thing is that people
have choices and they're not tied to just one thing.
They can a. switch to a different screenreader such as NVDA, and cut the cost
, 2017 7:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
If this does come to fruition, the great thing is that people
have choices and they're not tied to just one thing.
They can a. switch to a different screenreader such as NVDA, and cut the cost
es.com] On
>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:38 PM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>>
>> If this does come to fruition, the great thing is that
>> people have choi
t, quite nicely. Furthermore, JAWS does
not as of this time, support either of these programs.
>> Thanks,
>> Darrell
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>> Sent: Fr
this is true, jfw is the primary screen reader.
-Original Message-
From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:34 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Darrell Bowles
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
...and the following tweet i just saw in my tl. Take it for what you want
would be
very different just now.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 6:34 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Darrell Bowles
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
...and the following
gt; To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Darrell Bowles
> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>
> ...and the following tweet i just saw in my tl. Take it for what you want:
>
> @mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office
> support ends, says Eric Damery a
GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems. The question
then is, how to attract more customers. The more customers, the better
the cash flow.
I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple
If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:
>
> GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems. The question
> then is, how to attract more customers. The more customers, the better
>
Guess NVDA's going to get a lot more use LOL.
-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:18 AM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.
My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one product
"Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
- Original Message -
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Future
to get rid of competition.
-Original Message-
From: Loy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 11:26 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one
product
=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:27 AM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one
product "Window Eyes" then shut down t
-Eyes
this is true, jfw is the primary screen reader.
-Original Message-
From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:34 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Darrell Bowles
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
...and the following tweet i just saw in my tl. Take it for what you
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:27 AM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one
product "Wi
Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:27 AM
> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>
> My question is why would a company pay for a
they do this all the time for pennies on the dollar for the business. then sell
the realistate for millions.
-Original Message-
From: Loy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:26 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
My question is
inal Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:27 AM
> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>
> My question is why would a company p
Blake, were the
>> sighted presidents and CEO of Freedom Scientific, while Tom is sighted but
>> might eventually get Glaucoma.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
Sky, you mention the sighted folks at the now VFO, but aren't the GW Mcro
owners sighted? I know GW had a lot of tech support who were blind and they
knew their stuff and were more helpful than the jaws CSRs. I'm not sure how
many jaws customer service
w-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 3:07 PM
To: 'Michael Capelle' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
When will office support end?
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@
Microsoft supports the free Window Eyes forOffice, so who knows how long this
will last.
- Original Message -
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
Hi Dennis,
Good
via Talk
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
Hi Dennis,
Good question. It's funny how everyone knows what "support for Office"
means, but perhaps someone would like to explain this.
T
w-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:18 PM
To: Loy via Talk
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
With JAWS wanting to rule the world I am sure they will stop the free Window
Eyes as soon as they legally can.
On 5/7/2017 3:13 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
> Microsoft supp
8 May 2017 6:27 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one product
"Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
- Original Message -
From: Darrell Bowles via T
...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, 8 May 2017 5:18 a.m.
To: Dave; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, D
Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, 8 May 2017 4:32 a.m.
To: 'Reeva Webb'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
This is just sad. Nobody knew this would be happening to Window-Eyes when the
office deal happened. Nobody knew. Had we known Window-Ey
s.com]
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:41 PM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
My guess is that things just come down to normal supply and demand. The
customer demand has always been for JAWS. If there is no demand for a pr
Many times, a company will buy out another just to get its user base.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Loy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:27 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
My question is why would a company pay for a company
Wasn't a program rewrite that was needed. Freedom had an in with state
agencies, veterans and so forth. When I was a client in Nevada and also
here in Kansas, all they knew or cared about was jaws. It was like a
religion, and still is in some cases.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.
O
he product.?
- Original Message -
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 7, 2017, at
Hi Ivan,
There is no point. People just like to talk to feel in control of a situation
when the absence of information scares them.
Live long and prosper, in the absence of control,
Rod
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
O
Bowles
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
this is true, jfw is the primary screen reader.
-Original Message-
From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:34 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Darrell Bowles
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
...and the following tweet i just saw
ubject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
Guess NVDA's going to get a lot more use LOL.
-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:18 AM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
If the company had asked for a donation, I wo
With no future development of Window-Eyes, that means window-eyes will never
work with the Edge browser?
-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:56 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
Vaughan,
NVDA and
Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 9:47 AM
To: Rod Hutton ; Vaughan Dodd
; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
With no future development of Window-Eyes, that means window-eyes will
The VFO group got ZoomText out of the deal.
-Original Message-
From: Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:08 PM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
Many times, a company will buy out another just to get its user base.
Sent from Mail
: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:08 PM
> To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
>
> Many times, a company will buy out another just to get its user base.
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Loy via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2
Zoomtext is defenatly superior to MAGic for sure!
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 7:03 AM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
fenatly superior to MAGic for sure!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 7:03 AM
> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Fu
;> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 7:03 AM
>> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>
;>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 7:03 AM
>> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Future Of Windo
2017 8:46 PM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
Wasn't a program rewrite that was needed. Freedom had an in with state
agencies, veterans and so forth. When I was a client in Nevada and also
here in Kansas, all they knew or cared about was jaws. It
, and it will be sad
to see it go.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:05 PM
To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
Yes
Yes, but the next release JAWS will power it instead of WE.
- Original Message -
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
That brings another interesting question up
GW Micro, Window-Eyes developer, had GSA--General Service Administration
contract--which ought to have guaranteed to it enough business for a long,
long time.
But when agencies of government, both federal and state, chewed Jaws and
fell in love, Hinter-Joyce, later Freedom Scientific, just gobbl
;; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
GW Micro, Window-Eyes developer, had GSA--General Service Administration
contract--which ought to have guaranteed to it enough business for a long,
long time.
But when agencies of government, both federal and state, che
Yep.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:24 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
So GWMicro
'
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
GW Micro, Window-Eyes developer, had GSA--General Service Administration
contract--which ought to have guaranteed to it enough business for a long,
long time.
But when agencies of government, both federal and state, chewed Jaws and
fell in love, Hinter-
List
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
That is totally correct.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:20 PM
To: 'Pamela Dominguez'
Hello all. I don't post much here, but I read a few messages here and there.
It's amazing how many differing messages there are on all of this and
yet most of them without actual facts. *smile*. Because VFO Group now is
the actual company, there is no more competition between Jaws and
Window-
...and yet another tweet from my tl. Take it how you want:
@mikelauf1: Some time next week, users of Window-Eyes will be given the
chance to upgrade to JFW 18 for free after filling out a form.
https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/863134385087926273
We's future looking really bright now, right?
Yeah, I saw this stuff on twitter too. However, nothing on the vfo web
site.
Haven't been able to verify this from any credible source?
seems a bit suspect to me.
On 13/05/2017 3:40 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:
...and yet another tweet from my tl. Take it how you want:
@mikelauf1: Some
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
Yeah, I saw this stuff on twitter too. However, nothing on the vfo web
site.
Haven't been able to verify this from any credible source?
seems a bit suspect to me.
On 13/05/2017 3:40 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:
...and yet another tweet from my tl. Take i
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
Not only that but I have a hard time imagining FS giving away JFW for free
no matter what the circumstances.
Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message-
From: Brian Moore via Talk
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 1:45 AM
To: Reeva Webb
Here's a question: I am using Window-eyes4Office. If it too is going away,
can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later date? I
don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration process in
order for it to work.
If so, can I put it on a thumb drive? How would I
gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
Here's a question: I am using Window-eyes4Office. If it too is going away,
can I save a copy for an i
x27;s no longer supported, there won't be any
way of registering it.
Karen P
-Original Message-
From: Amanda Lee [mailto:amandainparadise...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:04 PM
To: 'Karen Poulakos'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Qu
t'
Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
You will have to download Window-Eyes for Office as a new installation per
each computer you use because of how it authorizes per each computer. I
could be incorrect though. I'm sure someone will advise.
-Original Message-
F
indow-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
Here's a question: I am using Window-eyes4Office. If it too is going away,
can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later date? I
don't remember whether it needs to go through a registrat
via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:04 PM
To: 'Karen Poulakos' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
You will have to download Window-Eyes for Office as a new installation per each
computer you use because of how it authorizes p
ne will advise.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: Question RE:
safe place and use it on
as many machines as you need.
Doug
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Qu
: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
Do you know if there is any braille backup for how to deal with JAWS?
WindowEyes was really good with that. I'd hate to have to braille all
of the changes although guess I can.
Natalie
On 5/16/2017 11:16 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
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