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2008-12-24 Thread Hugh Barnes
Hi I shouldn't really post in the beginning-to-middle of my festive intoxication, but it appears Slashdot has a new article relevant to OSM. Loving the separate wording: "Smooth Open Street Maps For the IPhone" => http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/24/2324235 Cheers _

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 01:22:22AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > A possible consideration for a future API is to move the check there: > > JOSM uploads, and indicates what data sources were used in the editing > > session. Server checks, sees GoogleWMS, replies “I’m sorry Dave, I’m > > afraid I

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Pieren wrote: > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Thomas Wood > wrote: >> Frederik does make a good point that it could be used for good. > > I'm probably stupid but what is the aim of having google maps layers > in JOSM - one editor for OSM data - excepted for copy ? You're not stupid --

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Simon Ward wrote: > A possible consideration for a future API is to move the check there: > JOSM uploads, and indicates what data sources were used in the editing > session. Server checks, sees GoogleWMS, replies “I’m sorry Dave, I’m > afraid I can’t do that.” And slap some control freak cry

Re: [OSM-talk] Stills from our new animation available now - full animation due out 31st Dec!

2008-12-24 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Peter Miller wrote: > At ITO we have been getting the message from various places that still > images just aren't good enough these days! So... we will be publishing > a new 90 second animation 'OSM 2008 - A Year of Edits' on Dec 31st > 2008 - and just for fun we w

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcement: Second City, Birmingham, and its surrounds completed

2008-12-24 Thread Tom Higgy
Excellent work! Congratulations to those involved! Hope my partial completeness of some bits hasn't confused anyone. Noticed a cul-de-sac missing which I'll report of OpenStreetBugs. I suppose that's the next stage: getting people to reports errors and improving upon what's there. Looking forw

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Thomas Wood
2008/12/24 Pieren : > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Thomas Wood > wrote: >> Frederik does make a good point that it could be used for good. > > I'm probably stupid but what is the aim of having google maps layers > in JOSM - one editor for OSM data - excepted for copy ? > I still see why peop

[OSM-talk] Stills from our new animation available now - full animation due out 31st Dec!

2008-12-24 Thread Peter Miller
At ITO we have been getting the message from various places that still images just aren't good enough these days! So... we will be publishing a new 90 second animation 'OSM 2008 - A Year of Edits' on Dec 31st 2008 - and just for fun we will be releasing it at midnight Australia time as the

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Earth terms (was google wms)

2008-12-24 Thread Nick Black
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Gustav Foseid wrote: > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Simon Ward wrote: > >> The English version is clearly titled as I have already indicated >> "Google Maps/Earth Terms of Service". The main page heading says >> "Google Maps/Google Earth Terms and Conditions

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map domain... Have we lost it?

2008-12-24 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
I need the godaddy password on the new osmf account to fix this. 80n has it but is not around at the moment. Will fix as soon as poss. The impact, in addition to websites not being available, is that mail to any osmfoundation.org email address since yesterday at about 17:15 will have probably fail

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map domain... Have we lost it?

2008-12-24 Thread Nick Black
We haven't lost the domain. We've had problems with the MX and DNS on osmfoundation.org and stateofthemap.org - AndyR is fixing the problem right now. Cheers, On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Simon Ward wrote: > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 03:38:16PM +, Peter Miller wrote: > > Have we lost t

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Earth terms (was google wms)

2008-12-24 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Simon Ward wrote: > The English version is clearly titled as I have already indicated > "Google Maps/Earth Terms of Service". The main page heading says > "Google Maps/Google Earth Terms and Conditions". That is a very interesting difference, and certainly put

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Pieren wrote: > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Thomas Wood > wrote: >> Frederik does make a good point that it could be used for good. > > I'm probably stupid but what is the aim of having google maps layers > in JOSM - one editor for OSM data - excepted for c

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > have you put google-earth traced data in OSM? > No. - Gustav ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map domain... Have we lost it?

2008-12-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 03:38:16PM +, Peter Miller wrote: > Have we lost the State of the Map Domain recently? > > Google still quotes OSM content for the URL, but the URL itself now > points to a link farm! > http://www.stateofthemap.org/ I guess we did, then someone realised. Extracts fr

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Earth terms (was google wms)

2008-12-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 03:58:26PM +0100, Gustav Foseid wrote: > Are those really terms for Google Earth and not for Google Maps? I get a > Norwegian translation on that URL, that does not mention Google Earth at > all. The English version is clearly titled as I have already indicated “Google Ma

[OSM-talk] State of the Map domain... Have we lost it?

2008-12-24 Thread Peter Miller
Have we lost the State of the Map Domain recently? Google still quotes OSM content for the URL, but the URL itself now points to a link farm! http://www.stateofthemap.org/ Regards, Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://li

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Earth terms (was google wms)

2008-12-24 Thread Nick Black
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Gustav Foseid wrote: > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Simon Ward wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 03:14:14PM +0100, Gustav Foseid wrote: >> > In addition, I have had a hard time finding anything in Google Earth >> terms >> > that limits tracing, as opposed t

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wednesday 24 Dec 2008 7:44:14 pm Gustav Foseid wrote: > In addition, I have had a hard time finding anything in Google Earth terms > that limits tracing, as opposed to Google Maps where this is stated very > clearly. have you put google-earth traced data in OSM? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves A

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Earth terms (was google wms)

2008-12-24 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Simon Ward wrote: > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 03:14:14PM +0100, Gustav Foseid wrote: > > In addition, I have had a hard time finding anything in Google Earth > terms > > that limits tracing, as opposed to Google Maps where this is stated very > > clearly. > > Just s

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 03:14:14PM +0100, Gustav Foseid wrote: > In addition, I have had a hard time finding anything in Google Earth terms > that limits tracing, as opposed to Google Maps where this is stated very > clearly. Just searching for “google earth terms of service” gives (among other hi

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 03:14:14PM +0100, Gustav Foseid wrote: > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Simon Ward wrote: > > > Hard validation wasn't the point. The point was to make the user think > > twice, just as with Richard's comment on using GPSBabel to convert KML > > to GPX, then having to m

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Simon Ward wrote: > Hard validation wasn't the point. The point was to make the user think > twice, just as with Richard's comment on using GPSBabel to convert KML > to GPX, then having to munge it to add timestamps. You can bypass such > a check in the editor j

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 02:34:13PM +0100, Pieren wrote: > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Simon Ward wrote: > > A possible consideration for a future API is to move the check there: > > JOSM uploads, and indicates what data sources were used in the editing > > session. Server checks, sees Google

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Simon Ward wrote: > A possible consideration for a future API is to move the check there: > JOSM uploads, and indicates what data sources were used in the editing > session. Server checks, sees GoogleWMS, replies "I'm sorry Dave, I'm > afraid I can't do that." > >

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 12:09:40PM +, Thomas Wood wrote: > I brought this up in IRC a few weeks back, and I know its been brought > up before that. > It's also appeared on the mls before, Richard's response pretty much > sums it up.. > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2008-September

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:07:06AM +, Tim Waters (chippy) wrote: > Well even so, it would probably be against the terms of use etc from > Google, and they can ask for it to be taken down, so whilst it may be > useful, it cannot be used... It’s up to Google to do that, we can’t speak for them.

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Thomas Wood wrote: > Frederik does make a good point that it could be used for good. I'm probably stupid but what is the aim of having google maps layers in JOSM - one editor for OSM data - excepted for copy ? I still see why people create online mashups where we

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wednesday 24 Dec 2008 3:21:36 pm Nick Black wrote: > Thanks for bringing this up.  I will pass this onto the Foundation team and > get in touch with the person running the site. > > Have you tried to contact the site owner in the past? I havent - but I think the foundation should communicate wi

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Thomas Wood
I brought this up in IRC a few weeks back, and I know its been brought up before that. It's also appeared on the mls before, Richard's response pretty much sums it up.. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2008-September/011891.html I'll also note that it was originally announced on the JO

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik: Wikipedia article length as a heuristic

2008-12-24 Thread A Morris
I love the idea of using wikipedia article size as a proxy for 'importance'. My idea was to do a google fight between overlapping labels. (San Francisco 227M hits, San Jose 93M hits) Aled On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Edward Betts wrote: > How about we use the length of the Wikipedia article

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2008/12/24 Andrew Chadwick (email lists) : > Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> apologies if this has been brought up before, but some people I have brought >> into OSM have stumbled across this site: >> http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/ >> and were all set to pollute the OSM database when I stopped th

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Tim Waters (chippy)
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: > Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> apologies if this has been brought up before, but some people I have brought >> into OSM have stumbled across this site: >> http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/ >> and were all set to pollute the OS

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-WIKI: reducing redundancy, less redundant and standardized data exchange

2008-12-24 Thread Karl Guggisberg
Hi denny I had a second look at the documentation and I now understand how Semantic MediaWiki can help us. Assume map features were described by three attributes: a key, a value and a description, like {MapFeature key="foo" value="bar" description="desc"} Then we would create a Wiki page

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Andrew Chadwick (email lists)
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > apologies if this has been brought up before, but some people I have brought > into OSM have stumbled across this site: > http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/ > and were all set to pollute the OSM database when I stopped them. Can we not > convince this gentleman to cea

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Nick Black
Hi Kenneth, Thanks for bringing this up. I will pass this onto the Foundation team and get in touch with the person running the site. Have you tried to contact the site owner in the past? Best, On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > hi, > apologies if this has been brough

[OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik: Wikipedia article length as a heuristic

2008-12-24 Thread Edward Betts
How about we use the length of the Wikipedia article about a city to decide which should get rendered on OpenStreetMap? We could add a tag to each city with the Wikipedia article URL. Here are some figures for the Bay Area: San Francisco: 119958 Oakland: 113560 San Jose: 84823 Mountain View: 261

[OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
hi, apologies if this has been brought up before, but some people I have brought into OSM have stumbled across this site: http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/ and were all set to pollute the OSM database when I stopped them. Can we not convince this gentleman to cease and desist? -- regards Kenn

[OSM-talk] bed for hotels

2008-12-24 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
hi, somehow the 'bed' symbol for hotels looks like a hospital bed to me - most uninviting. Could we change it? This is in osmarender. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetma

[OSM-talk] WG: OSM-WIKI: reducing redundancy, less redundant and standardized data exchange

2008-12-24 Thread Karl Guggisberg
sorry if this is a repost, not sure whether it made it on the list the first time -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Denny Vrandecic [mailto:d...@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Dezember 2008 10:07 An: talk@openstreetmap.org; karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch Betreff: [OSM-talk] OSM-