Re: [OSM-talk] server cannot find mod_tile

2009-02-28 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Friday 27 February 2009 17:08:00 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > So - back a stage, how did you install mapnik? Source or an rpm? > > it was from svn head. I went back and built it again. Then rebuilt > mod_tile. Got no errors. Ran ./renderd - first got an error as it was > looking fonts in /usr/lo

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread 80n
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > El Sábado, 28 de Febrero de 2009, 80n escribió: > > So what percentage of *user contributed* data would other people feel > > willing to see sacrificed in order to move forward with the new license? > > I'm one of the persons who cons

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Sábado, 28 de Febrero de 2009, 80n escribió: > So what percentage of *user contributed* data would other people feel > willing to see sacrificed in order to move forward with the new license? I'm one of the persons who consider CC-by-sa to be a risk for the integrity of the project (i.e. ther

Re: [OSM-talk] Moving the island of Guam

2009-02-28 Thread Craig Harris
Hi David, I was hoping to have a quick and dirty way of moving 40k+ nodes. I'm currently shifting the island of Guam and it will take about 10+ hours. Many thanks for your help as I really needed the search term "source:tiger_import". Craig On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:05:14 -, "David Groom" sa

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM 3D, featured image

2009-02-28 Thread Igor Brejc
MP wrote: > But it could be nice image of what can be done, so I think we should > get one nice image from them to featured images. Maybe it'll inspire > someone to produce similar tool, but an opensource one. > > Martin > Hi, I was inspired some time ago (http://igorbrejc.net/openstreetmap/op

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] "A Creative Commons iCommons license"

2009-02-28 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I always thought that the reverse engineering provision would apply > automatically through the database directive, so even if we allowed a > Produced Work to be PD then reassembling them into a database would > still make that database prot

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] "A Creative Commons iCommons license"

2009-02-28 Thread 80n
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > 80n wrote: > > No. CC-BY-SA does not have a class of derivative works that are not > > share alike. ODbL does. > > No it doesn't, that's the entire point of what I said. (Is this the > five-minute argument or the full half-hour?) This

Re: [OSM-talk] cyclemap layer z18 trouble?

2009-02-28 Thread Jon Burgess
On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 13:38 +, Jon Burgess wrote: > On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 11:20 +, Dave Stubbs wrote: > > The renderd process had crashed for some reason.. I've restarted it. I > > deleted all the z18 tiles the other day because we're running out of > > tile cache space (about 400GB)... a c

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM shortcuts/macro for Gaza editing

2009-02-28 Thread LeedsTracker
2009/2/27 LeedsTracker : > 2009/2/25 "Jonas Krückel (John07)" : >> If this instruction is good enough, i can put it on the wiki page. A >> icon for this preset would be nice, ideas? > > Did it: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_Palestine_Gaza#JOSM_presets_for_highway.3Droad_and_

[OSM-talk] Proposed features/snowshed

2009-02-28 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi Richard,Looking at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/snowshed Based on this proposal, as 'snowshed=yes' is both relevant to the GeoBase NRN, (road segment class), as well as for the CanVec Railway tag features. I will put this tag as temporary, with the note of 'canvec:FIXME

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, David Earl wrote: > But most important of all is to know what's happening or going to happen > so any damage can be repaired (without infringing on the > ex-contributor's changes of course) That's a very interesting topic. We would have to have a kind of "there was something here but I won

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread Donald Allwright
From: David Earl >The 'significant' bit is not the point: it only needs people to have >made *insignificant* changes to other people's *significant* changes >(including original mapping) to be invalidated. Linking this chain of thought with the one that myself and Richard Fairhurst were discu

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread 80n
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Ulf Möller wrote: > 80n schrieb: > > > If the contributions from users who don't agree to the new license > > were to remain in the database for some time, but be marked as > > legacy data (and perhaps shown in a particularly ugly color in the > >

Re: [OSM-talk] oneway yes or true

2009-02-28 Thread Ed Loach
Nick wrote: > However all schemes are correct and therefore no one should > modify someone elses edits just on the basis of a personal > preference.  It depends how you define "correct". Anyone can tag anything any way they like, but it helps to follow the commonly accepted tags (such as those

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread 80n
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Ulf Möller wrote: > 80n schrieb: > > What percentage of data would other people feel willing to see sacrificed >> in order to move forward with the new license? >> > > Judging from the discussions at various places, loosing data seems to be > the main concern wit

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] "A Creative Commons iCommons license"

2009-02-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
80n wrote: > No. CC-BY-SA does not have a class of derivative works that are not > share alike. ODbL does. No it doesn't, that's the entire point of what I said. (Is this the five-minute argument or the full half-hour?) This is what 4.7 in ODbL is all about. The data is still "protected", if t

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] "A Creative Commons iCommons license"

2009-02-28 Thread 80n
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > 80n wrote: > > Indeed it is exactly this case I had in mind, where the license gives > > the contributor fewer rights. It creates a class of derivative works, > > called Produced Works, that are not share alike. > > No. This is really

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread OJ W
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > 80n wrote: >> What percentage of data would other people feel willing to see >> sacrificed in order to move forward with the new license? > > I'd be interested to see this related to our userbase and editing stats. > > If (say) we lose

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
80n wrote: > What percentage of data would other people feel willing to see > sacrificed in order to move forward with the new license? I'd be interested to see this related to our userbase and editing stats. If (say) we lose 5%, how many months - at current rates of growth - does it take us to

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread David Earl
On 28/02/2009 13:29, veg...@engen.priv.no wrote: > - how many users with significant/long-term contributions have not > logged in for a month/year ? The 'significant' bit is not the point: it only needs people to have made *insignificant* changes to other people's *significant* changes (includ

Re: [OSM-talk] cyclemap layer z18 trouble?

2009-02-28 Thread Jon Burgess
On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 11:20 +, Dave Stubbs wrote: > The renderd process had crashed for some reason.. I've restarted it. I > deleted all the z18 tiles the other day because we're running out of > tile cache space (about 400GB)... a combination of that and the > process crash means that it's bee

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread vegard
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 01:09:31PM +, OJ W wrote: > Do we need to collect stats on what percentage of data is from users > who are active and contactable and still care about editing maps? > (e.g. what percentage of non-bulk-upload data was originally from > someone who logged-in within the las

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread OJ W
Do we need to collect stats on what percentage of data is from users who are active and contactable and still care about editing maps? (e.g. what percentage of non-bulk-upload data was originally from someone who logged-in within the last month) ___ talk

[OSM-talk] oneway yes or true

2009-02-28 Thread Nick Hocking
I think that the important issue here is respect for others' edits. Personally I only use true/false 0/1 when coding computer programs. In real life I think that yes/no is much better. However all schemes are correct and therefore no one should modify someone elses edits just on the basis of a

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread David Earl
On 28/02/2009 12:21, 80n wrote: > So what percentage of *user contributed* data would other people feel > willing to see sacrificed in order to move forward with the new license? I think I'd need to see what the data is rather than put it in percentage terms. For example, let's say we're going

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread 80n
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Ben Laenen wrote: > On Saturday 28 February 2009, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > > My hope basically when starting this thread was that these > > > fundamental issues would have been cleared up by now in > > > legal-talk or wherever since you now made the schedule

[OSM-talk] OSM 3D, featured image // OpenStreetMap 3D Germany

2009-02-28 Thread Alexander Zipf
Hi there, as the website already says: all data, images and videos are cc-by-sa. The software was produced mainly in another project, so it can't be open source for now. The preprocessing and resultig structure of the data is very specialized for our service infrastructure, database and use cas

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread Ben Laenen
On Saturday 28 February 2009, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > My hope basically when starting this thread was that these > > fundamental issues would have been cleared up by now in > > legal-talk or wherever since you now made the schedule available. > > Seriously - who is this "you"?!!! With "you" I

Re: [OSM-talk] permission to derive from Romanian streetview-alike?

2009-02-28 Thread Ciprian Talaba
I have created a new account called norcTracks http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/norcTracks, where I have uploaded all the tracks donated by norc.ro. I managed to tag each track with the city where the track belongs. Besides the Romanian cities of: Bucharest, Constanta and the seaside resorts, Ias

Re: [OSM-talk] oneway yes or true

2009-02-28 Thread Łukasz Jernaś
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM, wrote: > BTW, I added "values"-sections to the english, german and polish wiki-pages > and stated that the semantics of other values are undefined and what cases > may most likely happen. Thanks, translated. -- Łukasz _

Re: [OSM-talk] cyclemap layer z18 trouble?

2009-02-28 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/27 Richard Weait : > Anybody else having trouble with cyclemap at z18? > > For me, this link delivers only a blank white map area.  The browser > claims to have finished loading.  Right-clicking on the map area does > not offer view image. > > I've tried this on Firefox/Linux and Epiphany/Li

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] "A Creative Commons iCommons license"

2009-02-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Could we ask CC to declare that the new fabulous ODbL, after due revision > and comments by the community, can be considered a Creative Commons iCommons > licence No, you'd never get Apple to agree. Bye Frederik ___ leg

[OSM-legal-talk] "A Creative Commons iCommons license"

2009-02-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
CC-BY-SA says: You may distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, or publicly digitally perform a Derivative Work only under the terms of this License, a later version of this License with the same License Elements as this License, or a Creative Commons iCommons license that contains the sam

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ben Laenen wrote: > Great use of the ellipsis. You may have missed that I actually had > some things to say there. Yes, I'm sure you did. But what I was trying to say is that (IMO) the really important bit is this: > My hope basically when starting this thread was that these > fundamental issu

Re: [OSM-talk] oneway yes or true

2009-02-28 Thread David Earl
On 27/02/2009 22:42, Andy Robinson wrote: > David Earl wrote: > Clearly you have run out of mapping to find time to spot this :-D Just monitoring the RSS feed for my area to spot breakages, which do happen from time to time. > I recall the very early discussions and the first draft of Map Featur

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM 3D, featured image

2009-02-28 Thread MP
Nice images, but I found no software for generating the data (I'd like to see another country in that way), so usability is somewhat limited. But it could be nice image of what can be done, so I think we should get one nice image from them to featured images. Maybe it'll inspire someone to produce

Re: [OSM-talk] rights of way and designation=*

2009-02-28 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Robert Vollmert wrote: > I've had a look at tagwatch (unfortunately not terribly up-to-date) > and documented this suggestion and current use at > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:designation > . Please flesh the page out! It'd be nice to have a list of sens

Re: [OSM-talk] cyclemap layer z18 trouble?

2009-02-28 Thread Andy Robinson
Richard Weait wrote: > Anybody else having trouble with cyclemap at z18? > > For me, this link delivers only a blank white map area. The browser > claims to have finished loading. Right-clicking on the map area does > not offer view image. > > I've tried this on Firefox/Linux and Epiphany/Linux

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM 3D, featured image

2009-02-28 Thread Andy Robinson
OJ W wrote: > Hi, this program has been suggested as a featured image: > > http://www.geographie.uni-bonn.de/karto/osm-3d/screenshots.en.htm > > but I can't decide which picture is best. can anyone help? > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.or