[OSM-talk] Routing over barrier nodes

Currently the problem with routing is, that routing applications can not check for millions of nodes, but only for thousands of ways without performace problems. That results in the problem, that for example barrier bollards in the middle of the road can not be considered. I recommend to add a

Re: [OSM-talk] Routing over barrier nodes

2009/9/10 : > Currently the problem with routing is, that routing applications can not > check for millions of nodes, but only for thousands of ways without > performace problems. > > That results in the problem, that for example barrier bollards in the middle > of the road can not be considere

Re: [OSM-talk] Routing over barrier nodes

lulu-...@gmx.de wrote: > Currently the problem with routing is, that routing applications can not > check for millions of nodes, but only for thousands of ways without > performace problems. > > That results in the problem, that for example barrier bollards in the middle > of the road can not b

Re: [OSM-talk] Routing over barrier nodes

On 10 Sep 2009, at 08:29, lulu-...@gmx.de wrote: > Currently the problem with routing is, that routing applications can > not check for millions of nodes, but only for thousands of ways > without performace problems. > > That results in the problem, that for example barrier bollards in > th

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map cemetery ?

On 10/09/2009 01:11, Roy Wallace wrote: > But I would support any proposal that merges these and includes > complementary tags to explicitly specify differences as necessary. Does it really matter? Just treat them as synonyms. Or adopt a rule which says if a church is in the middle of it it is a

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map cemetery ?

On a side note, do people render different denominations in cemeteries? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map cemetery ?

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:02 PM, David Earl wrote: > On 10/09/2009 01:11, Roy Wallace wrote: >> >> But I would support any proposal that merges these and includes >> complementary tags to explicitly specify differences as necessary. > > Does it really matter? Just treat them as synonyms. Having t

Re: [OSM-talk] Address interpolation

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Brian > Quinion wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Valent >> Turkovic wrote: >>> Hi, I'm using address interpolation for the first time so I would like to >>> ask if somebody can check if I d

[OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

Hi, how should I map this - http://www.flickr.com/photos/valent_turkovic/3900795904/ highway=cycleway + pedestrian=yes OR highway=footway + bicycle=yes Are these two the same? What is the difference? -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux,

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map cemetery ?

On 10/09/2009 09:44, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:02 PM, David Earl > wrote: >> On 10/09/2009 01:11, Roy Wallace wrote: >>> But I would support any proposal that merges these and includes >>> complementary tags to explicitly specify differences as necessary. >> Does it really ma

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map cemetery ?

On 10/09/2009 10:02, David Earl wrote: > On 10/09/2009 09:44, Roy Wallace wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:02 PM, David Earl >> wrote: >>> On 10/09/2009 01:11, Roy Wallace wrote: But I would support any proposal that merges these and includes complementary tags to explicitly specify

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Street View copyright question

On Thursday 10 Sep 2009 8:37:09 am John Smith wrote: > 2009/9/10 Anthony : > > I'm not sure what help a lawyer is going to be - they're not going to be > > able to guarantee you that much of anything is 100% (or 99.9%) safe in > > 100% (or 95%, weighted by user-base) of jurisdictions, especially no

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Street View copyright question

On 10/09/2009 04:13, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > And since there are two sides to every dispute, you can > count on two differing legal opinions on the matter. Just like OSM then - actually I sometimes think there are more opinions on any topic than there are participants. > (I am a lawyer) Re

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Street View copyright question

2009/9/10 David Muir Sharnoff : > Has anyone set a letter to Google's legal department asking for > clarification or permission? I haven't asked their legal department, but Ed Parsons said in an email yesterday (not sure if my post[1] about it got through to the list?) that it's ok to check our fa

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

Personally I'd go with highway=cycleway & foot=yes The cycle access looks reasonable and the cycle side looks like it's essentially dedicated for cyclists. If it were a shared use path where it looks like cycle access has been added afterwards (perhaps more of a case to take cyclists out of a road

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

highway=cycleway foot=yes cycleway=separated (not a Map Features value) I acknowledge a personal bias towards mapping for cyclists, others will disagree. My rationale is: As a cyclist, I am looking for cycleways on the map. As a pedestrian, I'd like to know if I can got for a nice quiet meander

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hi, > how should I map this - > http://www.flickr.com/photos/valent_turkovic/3900795904/ > > highway=cycleway + pedestrian=yes > > OR > > highway=footway + bicycle=yes > > Are these two the same? What is the difference? > > I prefer highway=cycleway + foot=yes. Cheers,

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map cemetery ?

Hi, > Sorry, I should also have said ... there are two tags because someone > cared enough about the difference to want to differentiate them. I'm > surprised whoever that was hasn't spoken up. That may be me. :) I do see a clear distinction between a grave yard and cemetery. I care little how t

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hi, > how should I map this - > http://www.flickr.com/photos/valent_turkovic/3900795904/ > > highway=cycleway + pedestrian=yes > > OR > > highway=footway + bicycle=yes > > Are these two the same? What is the difference? Valent thank you for your questio

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

On 10/09/2009, at 7:01 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > how should I map this - > http://www.flickr.com/photos/valent_turkovic/3900795904/ > > highway=cycleway + pedestrian=yes > > OR > > highway=footway + bicycle=yes > > Are these two the same? What is the difference? Be prepared for a long drawn ou

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Street View copyright question

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Dan Karran wrote: > 2009/9/10 David Muir Sharnoff : >> Has anyone set a letter to Google's legal department asking for >> clarification or permission? > > I haven't asked their legal department, but Ed Parsons said in an > email yesterday (not sure if my post[1] ab

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009/9/10 James Livingston : > Because of the presence of the bicycle symbol on the ground, I'd say > highway=cycleway;bicycle=designated;foot=yes. If that wasn't there, > I'd say footway=yes;bicycle=yes Isn't that redundent? I assume highway=cycleway to imply bicycle=designated ___

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009/9/10 Valent Turkovic > Hi, > how should I map this - > http://www.flickr.com/photos/valent_turkovic/3900795904/ > Seeing as it looks like the cycleway and footpath are complete segregated (by a clear gutter, not just a painted line), you could always draw two parallel ways, one tagged as a

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map cemetery ?

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:02 PM, David Earl wrote: > >> Having two different ways to tag a particular entity is not the best >> solution when building a database, IMHO. > > Indeed, but when we have an anarchic rather than specified tagging system, > this is the least of our problems! If you don't

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

> highway=cycleway > foot=yes > cycleway=separated (not a Map Features value) > > I acknowledge a personal bias towards mapping for cyclists, others will > disagree. My rationale is: As a cyclist, I am looking for cycleways on the > map. As a pedestrian, I'd like to know if I can got for a nice qu

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map cemetery ?

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Ciarán Mooney wrote: > > I base this distinction on when you point at a cemetery and ask "What > is that?" a local will respond "It's a cemetery.", ask the same > question in a church graveyard and you get "It's a grave yard." Fair enough. > I am happy to continu

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

On 10/09/2009, at 8:05 PM, John Smith wrote: > 2009/9/10 James Livingston : >> Because of the presence of the bicycle symbol on the ground, I'd say >> highway=cycleway;bicycle=designated;foot=yes. If that wasn't there, >> I'd say footway=yes;bicycle=yes > > Isn't that redundent? > > I assume highwa

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:05 PM, John Smith wrote: > 2009/9/10 James Livingston : > >> Because of the presence of the bicycle symbol on the ground, I'd say >> highway=cycleway;bicycle=designated;foot=yes. If that wasn't there, >> I'd say footway=yes;bicycle=yes > > Isn't that redundent? > > I assu

Re: [OSM-talk] Routing over barrier nodes

lulu-...@gmx.de wrote: > Currently the problem with routing is, that routing applications can not > check for millions of nodes, but only for thousands of ways without > performace problems. No, the problem is that programmers haven't implemented it yet. If the software can deal with turn restri

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map cemetery ?

On 10/09/2009 11:07, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:02 PM, David Earl > wrote: >>> Having two different ways to tag a particular entity is not the best >>> solution when building a database, IMHO. >> Indeed, but when we have an anarchic rather than specified tagging system, >> thi

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009/9/10 James Livingston : > I do too. However after the last discussion a lot of people seemed to > think it only implied bicycle=yes not bicycle=designated, so I'd add > it explicitly because of the designation marking on the ground. Of > course, I don't think anyone agreed on what designated

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

On 10/09/2009 11:29, John Smith wrote: > Seems like a silly argument for requiring redundency when it's implied anyway. > > Most path ways in Australia ... Therein lies the problem with each of these debates that comes up every couple of months - while everyone would agree* that cycleways ac

[OSM-talk] Fwd: How to map cemetery ?

> And I think the discussion of committees to decide or better voting is a > hiding to nothing so long as a sizeable proportion of the community > doesn't believe in it, as they'll just carry on doing what they've > always done. They've stopped even contributing to these discussions, > they just ge

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

On 10/09/2009, at 8:32 PM, David Earl wrote: > Therein lies the problem with each of these debates that comes up > every couple of months - while everyone would agree* that cycleways > accommodate cyclists, the rules vary around the world about what > else is allowed by default. > > I don't s

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:shop=massage

Hi folks, On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 11:57:25AM +0200, Sybren A. Stüvel wrote: > I've proposed a tag shop=massage along with a massage=* > specification of the massage that can be received. The proposal can > be found at > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Massage I've updated the

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

On 10 Sep 2009, at 11:21, Roy Wallace wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:05 PM, John Smith wrote: 2009/9/10 James Livingston : Because of the presence of the bicycle symbol on the ground, I'd say highway=cycleway;bicycle=designated;foot=yes. If that wasn't there, I'd say footway=yes;bicycle=

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 08:46:50PM +1000, James Livingston wrote: > I think the first question mostly was the cyclists wanting cycleway > and the non-cyclists wanting footway. Both ways are perfectly valid, > and I can't see either being picked without flipping a coin. Perhaps my perspective is ve

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

Shaun McDonald wrote: > On 10 Sep 2009, at 11:21, Roy Wallace wrote: > > I'd use highway=path; bicycle=designated; foot=designated > > (foot=designated if you feel that the concrete on the left of the > > divider has been "specially designated" for pedestrians, otherwise I'd > > use foot=yes) > > T

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map cemetery ?

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:25 PM, David Earl wrote: >> >> If you don't care, fine. But please don't suggest things that you >> admit aren't good solutions. > > I'm not suggesting it - that's the way it already is. You said "Just treat them as synonyms". It sounded like a suggestion to me. > And I

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: How to map cemetery ?

The established intention is quite clear, and not unreasonable - so there's no need for a working group. Just document that grave_yard is for ones around churches, and cemetery for separate ones, *and* redirect people to the other tag if they've got the other situation. Having tried to clarify a w

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

Shaun McDonald wrote: > This isn't a highway=path since the surface is tarmac. highway=path + surface=tarmac Plenty of <=1 meter wide paths around that have concrete/tarmac/asphalt surfaces, for instance. From all the discussion in the past year, or at least since the invention of =designate

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Shaun McDonald wrote: > > This isn't a highway=path since the surface is tarmac. This is irrelevant. Highway=path does not make any implication on surface: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:46 PM, James Livingston wrote: > > Most of the arguments I saw in the previous debate stemmed from two > questions: > * If a path can be used by both cyclists and pedestrians but has no > signage (or has signage for both), should it be footway or cycleway? > * What does *

[OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

I think we've seen (several times) the different meanings given in the wiki guidelines in different languages/ for different countries; there's little to gain from discussing them over again _until_ someone makes a proposal to clear the issue with well written explanations. But I want to note

[OSM-talk] [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Clearance

Since there have been no feedback in a while, and the discussion on the mailing list seem to have died off, I would like to push this proposal for a vote. It have changed significantly from the initial proposal, and have three parts for the vote: maxheight:legal maxheight:physical maxheight:

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

On 10/09/2009, at 9:01 PM, Sybren A. Stüvel wrote: > Perhaps my perspective is very Dutch, as here in NL you are always > allowed to walk on a cycleway. When a pedestrian sees a cycleway on > the map she'll know that she can walk on it and use it as a footpath. > However, when a cyclist sees a foot

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Clearance

2009/9/10 Aun Yngve Johnsen : > Since there have been no feedback in a while, and the discussion on > the mailing list seem to have died off, I would like to push this > proposal for a vote. It have changed significantly from the initial > proposal, and have three parts for the vote: > > maxheight:

[OSM-talk] Economist article on mapping

Surprising that this mentions Google Map Maker but not OSM: -- Ed Avis ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Street View copyright question

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Dan Karran wrote: > 2009/9/10 David Muir Sharnoff : > > Has anyone set a letter to Google's legal department asking for > > clarification or permission? > > I haven't asked their legal department, but Ed Parsons said in an > email yesterday (not sure if my post[1]

Re: [OSM-talk] Economist article on mapping

2009/9/10 Ed Avis : > Surprising that this mentions Google Map Maker but not OSM: > > Maybe you should drop a friendly email to the journalist, Google has a lot more advertising potential so it's not a surprise r

Re: [OSM-talk] Economist article on mapping

2009/9/10 Ed Avis > Surprising that this mentions Google Map Maker but not OSM: > > < > http://www.economist.com/sciencetechnology/tq/PrinterFriendly.cfm?story_id=14299568 > > > Not so surprising, you are talking about the Economist here. They don't necessarily look at the rest out there. It jus

Re: [OSM-talk] Economist article on mapping

I was a little surprised because OSM got a mention in this article: but not in the more recent one. -- Ed Avis ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http:/

Re: [OSM-talk] Economist article on mapping

2009/9/10 Ed Avis : > I was a little surprised because OSM got a mention in this article: > > > > but not in the more recent one. > Different authors, different sources? Propably one done clearly more home work a

[OSM-talk] edit to vimeo file front page

Could someone please correct the front page on the vimeo file for James Rutter's Surrey Heath SOTM09 presentation: http://www.vimeo.com/6051589 I want to link to it and don't want people put off by it seeming to be wrong. Appreciate it, and a note when done please. Cheers STEVE

[OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

Hi All, I've added proposals for five types of shops I'm finding that are not categorized. Your comments and improvements are welcome. shop=vacant; empty stores should be marked vacant, not removed from map. shop=supplements; specialty food and dietary supplements. shop=cash; non-bank cheque

Re: [OSM-talk] Economist article on mapping

Thats why a few of us added comments if you look at the full article. http://www.economist.com/sciencetechnology/tq/DisplayStory.cfm?story_id= 14299568 Cheers, Chris On Sep 10, 2009 16:06 "John Smith" wrote: > 2009/9/10 Ed Avis : > > Surprising that this mentions Google Map Maker but not OSM: >

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009/9/10 Richard Weait Hi All, > > I've added proposals for five types of shops I'm finding that are not > categorized. Your comments and improvements are welcome. > Nice ideas. The only one I'd question is shop=vacant, as 'vacant' is neither a type of shop (as in bakery, butcher) nor a type

[OSM-talk] mapnik rendering

I don't know whether I have missed something, or else am just lucky, but mapnik is rendering the things I am editing super-fast. Two new and different renders of an area in about 30 minutes. STEVE ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://l

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik rendering

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Steve Chilton wrote: > I don't know whether I have missed something, or else am just lucky, but > mapnik is rendering the things I am editing super-fast. Two new and different > renders of an area in about 30 minutes. Now the renderer is sucking up to the cartogr

Re: [OSM-talk] Routing over barrier nodes

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:29:23AM +0200, lulu-...@gmx.de wrote: > Currently the problem with routing is, that routing applications can not > check for millions of nodes, but only for thousands of ways without > performace problems. > > That results in the problem, that for example barrier bollard

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik rendering

On 10 Sep 2009, at 19:40, Richard Weait wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Steve > Chilton wrote: >> I don't know whether I have missed something, or else am just >> lucky, but mapnik is rendering the things I am editing super-fast. >> Two new and different renders of an area in abou

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik rendering

Shaun McDonald wrote: > It's really old news, that tile.openstreetmap.org is using the > minutely diffs. But Steve was out at a conference when we switched over to the new tile server. Which is fast enough that it doesn't drop any render requests any more. -- Lennard __

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Street View copyright question

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Anthony wrote: > > By "license agreement" you mean the ToS?  A ToS violation, which is not a > violation of copyright or database law, is between Google and the violator. > As long as OSM says "don't do it", and doesn't encourage violations, it > really doesn't ma

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik rendering

Well thanks for those responsible for the change - it is certainly appreciated. And thanks to Lennard for putting the case for the defence! So impressed, I am going to edit some more Cheers STEVE -Original Message- From: Lennard [mailto:l...@xs4all.nl] Sent

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:59 PM, James Livingston wrote: > > I don't really want to get into this argument again, but I believe > that either we're going to end up with local rules for the access > mappings, or some regions are going to have to tag every single > cycleway/footway with overrides.

Re: [OSM-talk] Routing over barrier nodes

2009/9/10 : > Currently the problem with routing is, that routing applications can not > check for millions of nodes, but only for thousands of ways without > performace problems. > > That results in the problem, that for example barrier bollards in the middle > of the road can not be considere

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

And I would be tempted to tag it highway=footway graffiti=yes I am beginning to think cycleway gets added by eager cyclists far more often than should really happen. Jason Cunningham user:jamicu 2009/9/10 Roy Wallace > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:59 PM, James Livingston wrote: > > > > I don't

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009/9/11 Frankie Roberto : > P.S I've tagged Scientology centres with shop=religion  :-) Someone tagged the MS head office in Sydney as a religion too, but it's since been deleted. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/345461052 ___ talk mailing l

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik rendering

>>> I don't know whether I have missed something, or else am just >>> lucky, but mapnik is rendering the things I am editing super-fast. >>> Two new and different renders of an area in about 30 minutes. >> >> Now the renderer is sucking up to the cartographers? >> > It's really old news, that tile.