On Thursday 05 August 2010 20:31:39 Malcolm Herring wrote:
> Bernhard,
>
> The "*" is a wild card for the light number.
> The Render Hint has one additional parameter, the suggested radius of the
> sector arc that will appear on the chart. All the previous items are to
> create the annotation.
Th
Nathan Edgars II writes:
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Russ Nelson wrote:
> > Nathan Edgars II writes:
> > > If a way is tagged tiger:reviewed=no, JOSM puts a highlight behind it,
> > > and when you select it the red is a lot fatter. How do I disable this?
> >
> > Delete tiger:revi
2010/8/8 Dirk-Lüder Kreie :
> Am 08.08.2010 16:59, schrieb John Smith:
>> On 9 August 2010 00:58, Erik Johansson wrote:
>>> Australia 2 people per km^2
>>> Sweden 21 people per km^2
>>
>> Canada is ~3 people per km^2...
>
> You seem to forget that the most interesting Data (to most people) is
> al
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Anthony wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Anthony wrote:
>> Incidentally, I'd also guess the "30,000 'CT 1.0' signups" is a
>> similarly misleading figure.
>
> What's the UID of the first user to sign up under "CT 1.0"? Can I
> assume that any higher uids h
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Anthony wrote:
> Incidentally, I'd also guess the "30,000 'CT 1.0' signups" is a
> similarly misleading figure.
What's the UID of the first user to sign up under "CT 1.0"? Can I
assume that any higher uids have likewise agreed to the contributor
terms, and any low
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Cartinus wrote:
> It doesn't take as many manhours to map a desert as it takes to map
> downtown Melbourne.
Cartinus
Please don't come up with this sort of nonsense
Imports have increased our number of contributors, not decreased them.
I have mapped, with my partner, a VERY la
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:44 PM, John Smith wrote:
> I think that is considerably on the high side of things, since someone
> gave an estimate of total number of contributors at about 75k
Good call. There are 5,404,188 changesets. Only 11,631 changesets
are completely anonymous (no user id). Of
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> I don't see any reason for an outcry other than this might make the
> coastline less precise for a while. Chances are it is going to be fixed
> very quickly in areas with Yahoo imagery, and might retain some of the
> typical "blockiness" of the PGS impo
On Sun, 8 Aug 2010, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Therefore OSMF need not treat the two groups separately as long as it
> does not exert the future licence change option for the 30,000 'CT 1.0'
> signups.
For OSMF not to treat them separately it cannot exert a future licence change
option at all
On 9 August 2010 04:38, Anthony wrote:
> 12,094 active users in the past month. How many in the past 6 months?
> Even if we assume 12,094 times 6 (which vastly overestimates things),
> and assume that 100% of such users agree to relicensing (another
> overestimate), that still leaves 213,727 use
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:43 PM, John Smith wrote:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/stats/data_stats.html
12,094 active users in the past month. How many in the past 6 months?
Even if we assume 12,094 times 6 (which vastly overestimates things),
and assume that 100% of such users agree to relicens
Carsten Nielsen wrote:
Why is this island not rendered on mapnik and osmarender maps ?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4119119
You need to add a natural=coastline tag. Make sure the direction of the
way is correct, land on the left. It will not render in Mapnik until the
coastline polyg
On 9 August 2010 04:06, Carsten Nielsen wrote:
> Why is this island not rendered on mapnik and osmarender maps ?
I don't think natural=island renders., it should be natural=coastline
or natural=land.
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On Sun, Aug 08, 2010 at 10:39:43AM -0400, Anthony wrote:
> If the license change is important, why don't the people who want the
> license change make their own coastline, on the dev server.
I want to be seeing coastlines as good as these:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/marrowp/4446458388/in/pool-c
Why is this island not rendered on mapnik and osmarender maps ?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4119119
I tried to remove the island from the multipolygon relations that had no
other ways than this island but it seems not to make any difference.
ablansinger / Carsten Nielsen
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On Sun, Aug 08, 2010 at 02:24:03PM +0200, andrzej zaborowski wrote:
> I'm a little surprised that there has been no flame^Wdiscussion about
> the order of the buttons yet, as the UI designers always observe that
> the defaults is always what 90% of users will choose.
You started it… :P
I thought
On 9 August 2010 03:47, John F. Eldredge wrote:
> John Smith is saying that the idea that there aren't many Australian
> contributors is incorrect. In other words, he is saying that there _are_ a
> lot of Australian contributors.
No, there is a distinct lack of contributors outside cities, and
John Smith is saying that the idea that there aren't many Australian
contributors is incorrect. In other words, he is saying that there _are_ a lot
of Australian contributors.
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2010/8/9 80n <80n...@gmail.com>:
>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Nick Black wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> The % of users actively contributing to OSM each month has fallen
>> from 5.7% in March 2010 (13,675 / 238,985) to 4.7% in June (297,041 /
>> 14,018).
Nick, how do you calculate the above num
On 9 August 2010 03:24, John Smith wrote:
> On 9 August 2010 02:48, Cartinus wrote:
>> 2) The numbers say there is an _increase_ in the number of active mappers
>> from
>> 13,675 to 14,018. "drop of 1% of users actively contributing" <> "1% drop in
>> active contributors"
>
> What is the current
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Cartinus wrote:
> On Sunday 08 August 2010 18:29:07 80n wrote:
> > The
> > following figures, from Nick Black, show a 1% drop in active contributors
> > in one month. This suggests that the size of the community may already
> > have peaked. Data loss will not imp
On 9 August 2010 02:48, Cartinus wrote:
> 2) The numbers say there is an _increase_ in the number of active mappers from
> 13,675 to 14,018. "drop of 1% of users actively contributing" <> "1% drop in
> active contributors"
What is the current projection of active contributors?
An increase of 500
Am 08.08.2010 18:29, schrieb 80n:
> With enough (motivated) people we can take any data loss, and rebuild
> our database to be better within a short timeframe.
>
>
> Any data loss will be a serious morale blow. Just the talk of data loss
> is already having an impact.
The point being
On Sunday 08 August 2010 18:29:07 80n wrote:
> The
> following figures, from Nick Black, show a 1% drop in active contributors
> in one month. This suggests that the size of the community may already
> have peaked. Data loss will not improve this picture.
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Nick
On 9 August 2010 02:38, Cartinus wrote:
> Wrong metric: As pointed out before, the metric you want is contributors per
> number of inhabitants.
>
> It doesn't take as many manhours to map a desert as it takes to map downtown
> Melbourne.
Nice stereotyping... but not everything outside cities is a
Am 07.08.2010 10:09, schrieb Mitja Kleider:
We actually do:
http://toolserver.org/~osm/locale/
Working with overlays might lead to overlapping objects, though.
That's not quite true, as the overlays respect the POIs position by
rendering them "in memory" with opacity=0. It's about to discuss
On Sunday 08 August 2010 18:20:01 John Smith wrote:
> On 9 August 2010 01:57, Cartinus wrote:
> > Which probably has the same cause as the lack of contributors in the
> > Netherlands: Too many imports!
>
> No, too few people, and a VERY VERY big land area.
Wrong metric: As pointed out before, the
2010/8/8 Dirk-Lüder Kreie
> Am 08.08.2010 16:59, schrieb John Smith:
> > On 9 August 2010 00:58, Erik Johansson wrote:
> >> Australia 2 people per km^2
> >> Sweden 21 people per km^2
> >
> > Canada is ~3 people per km^2...
>
> You seem to forget that the most interesting Data (to most people) is
On 9 August 2010 02:03, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Well, here in Austria, we lack contributors in areas where we had a (80%
> botched) import of some existing data, and the community is thriving in
> those areas where we didn't have an import. Interesting, isn't it?
The problem here isn't imports, if
On 9 August 2010 01:57, Cartinus wrote:
> Which probably has the same cause as the lack of contributors in the
> Netherlands: Too many imports!
No, too few people, and a VERY VERY big land area.
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On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Anthony schrieb:
>>
>> And I'm sure if you do it that way you'll be infringing on the
>> copyright of the CC-BY-SA data.
>
> Gah, what are we? I thought we were an OPEN project that likes share-alike
> licensing, mostly without that the expli
John Smith schrieb:
You've made a couple of big incorrect assumptions, firstly we have a
big lack of contributors at present in Australia
Well, here in Austria, we lack contributors in areas where we had a (80%
botched) import of some existing data, and the community is thriving in
those area
Anthony schrieb:
And I'm sure if you do it that way you'll be infringing on the
copyright of the CC-BY-SA data.
Gah, what are we? I thought we were an OPEN project that likes
share-alike licensing, mostly without that the explicit terms of those
licenses really matter. Only lawyers can really
On Sunday 08 August 2010 17:40:40 John Smith wrote:
> You've made a couple of big incorrect assumptions, firstly we have a
> big lack of contributors at present in Australia
Which probably has the same cause as the lack of contributors in the
Netherlands: Too many imports!
--
m.v.g.,
Cartinus
John Smith schrieb:
On 8 August 2010 23:23, Robert Kaiser wrote:
Offending them doesn't help either. We are still ONE community in ONE
He seems to be doing a good job of offending Australians and anyone
else that has been involved with either importing or cleaning up
imports in the past...
One alternative way for selecting only roads that aren't present in OSM
would be RoadMatcher (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geobase/NRN_-_OSM_Map_Feature ), though
some programming will definitely be required, as the currently described
process process takes .gml at the final stage.
On Sun,
80n schrieb:
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
And if we want to change the
direction os OSM, [...]
Who's talking about changing the direction of OSM?
Hehe, another case of jumping on the conclusion, rather than the "if". ;-)
I should probably noted that I don't think a
2010/8/9 Dirk-Lüder Kreie :
> With enough (motivated) people we can take any data loss, and rebuild
> our database to be better within a short timeframe.
>
> It may sound arrogant, but if you look at it rationally, we could even
> compensate for mappers demotivated by any data loss by the growth of
Am 08.08.2010 16:59, schrieb John Smith:
> On 9 August 2010 00:58, Erik Johansson wrote:
>> Australia 2 people per km^2
>> Sweden 21 people per km^2
>
> Canada is ~3 people per km^2...
You seem to forget that the most interesting Data (to most people) is
also where the people are.
Forests, lakes
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:15 AM, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There's likely to be 20% data loss based on the feedback I'm getting.
I can't imagine it'll be anywhere near that low. What percentage of
contributors are even still active? Maybe 20% of active contributors
will disagree with the c
Doesn't seem _that_ complicated. I guess it's a choice between using
technology and doing manual labor (I know which one I would choose...).
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:43 AM, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For some time I've been looking for an easy way to import some OSM
> formatted data back int
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 08/08/2010 05:13 PM, Anthony wrote:
>>
>> No, what I said is that you need to start from a blank map. If you
>> want to create a map which isn't CC-BY-SA, you aren't allowed to use
>> the CC-BY-SA map to do it.
>
> Depends on how
Hi,
On 08/08/2010 05:13 PM, Anthony wrote:
No, what I said is that you need to start from a blank map. If you
want to create a map which isn't CC-BY-SA, you aren't allowed to use
the CC-BY-SA map to do it.
Depends on how exactly you use it. If you use the CC-BY-SA map to flag
stuff that need
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> John,
>
>
> On 08/08/2010 11:38 AM, John Smith wrote:
>
>> Basically those in favour of PD but not directly effected by or
>> benefiting from data imports would like to have them all ripped out
>> and replaced with surveyed data.
>>
>
> It's
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 08/08/2010 04:39 PM, Anthony wrote:
>>
>> If the license change is important, why don't the people who want the
>> license change make their own coastline, on the dev server. This can
>> be done quickly, right? *Then* you can del
On 9 August 2010 01:00, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> In fact, this is exactly what I said I would do - not delete the existing
> coastline, but replace it with a version that has a suitable license. For
> some reason John Smith does not seem to share our view that this is a
> reasonable thing to do!
Wh
Hi,
On 08/08/2010 04:39 PM, Anthony wrote:
If the license change is important, why don't the people who want the
license change make their own coastline, on the dev server. This can
be done quickly, right? *Then* you can delete the import, and replace
it with the one on the dev server.
I hav
On 9 August 2010 00:59, John Smith wrote:
> On 9 August 2010 00:58, Erik Johansson wrote:
>> Australia 2 people per km^2
>> Sweden 21 people per km^2
>
> Canada is ~3 people per km^2...
>
Oh and most people in Canada live within 100km of the US border, and
in Australia most people live within 10
On 9 August 2010 00:58, Erik Johansson wrote:
> Australia 2 people per km^2
> Sweden 21 people per km^2
Canada is ~3 people per km^2...
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On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> There are many places in the world where we have the "second-best" data in
> OSM because the best available data is not under a suitable license.
Might those places follow patterns like this:
Germany 230 people per km^2
UK 250 people per km^2
On 9 August 2010 00:39, Anthony wrote:
> If the license change is important, why don't the people who want the
> license change make their own coastline, on the dev server. This can
> be done quickly, right? *Then* you can delete the import, and replace
> it with the one on the dev server.
Beca
On 9 August 2010 00:07, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> It's nothing to do with PD. It's that I'm sick and tired of hearing we
> cannot go ahead with ODbL because someone in Australia imported some
> coastline.
And I've tried to explain numerous times that it goes well beyond
coastlines, and that's only A
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> I don't see any reason for an outcry other than this might make the
> coastline less precise for a while. Chances are it is going to be fixed very
> quickly in areas with Yahoo imagery, and might retain some of the typical
> "blockiness" of t
John,
On 08/08/2010 11:38 AM, John Smith wrote:
Basically those in favour of PD but not directly effected by or
benefiting from data imports would like to have them all ripped out
and replaced with surveyed data.
It's nothing to do with PD. It's that I'm sick and tired of hearing we
cannot go
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> John Smith schrieb:
>>
>> For anyone still fence sitting over the new contributor terms and the
>> ODBL this is what you have to look forward to in the near future:
>>
>>
>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-August/00390
On 8 August 2010 23:31, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Who's talking about changing the direction of OSM? There's no consensus for
> any change of direction that I'm aware of. Arguing that imports should not
> be allowed because there *might* be change in direction is very
> presumptuous.
He wa
On 8 August 2010 23:23, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Let's go "what if" and weigh the grand outcomes logically, not not fight
> over some people pointing out some details of some possible outcome.
So those people that have been importing cc-by-sa go "what if" and
conclude that most of their efforts for
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> John Smith schrieb:
>
> For anyone still fence sitting over the new contributor terms and the
>> ODBL this is what you have to look forward to in the near future:
>>
>>
>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-August/00390
John Smith schrieb:
For anyone still fence sitting over the new contributor terms and the
ODBL this is what you have to look forward to in the near future:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-August/003908.html
Don't fight his conclusion, but his "if" in that sentence: |If
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> PD has nothing to do with it. Full stop.
What's the difference between PD and DBCL?
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On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 08:43, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I'm now contemplating the much simpler path of rendering the data and
> then tracing. But before I do that I really want to be sure that there
> isn't a better way of doing this. Does anyone have any suggestions?
You could import i
Ups! This is the address http://osm2po.de
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Hey folks,
I started an own Routing-Engine project.
Sorry, it's "only" freeware and not OpenSource
but it might be interesting for people who are looking for an inhouse
solution.
The focus is on car-routing. It also supports the pgRouting / PostGIS
format.
Regards,
Carsten.
Alias PIMapper
On 8 August 2010 13:25, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Richard Fairhurst
> wrote:
> What mandate does LWG have to change the contributor terms anyway? Would
> they need to put it to a vote of OSMF members or would they need to follow
> the guidelines that the CT
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> 80n wrote:
>
>> Isn't it going to present some complicated management problems if the
>> LWG changes the contributor terms at this stage in the process?
>>
>
> No, not in this case. The proposal is a subset of the powers currently
> avail
On 8 August 2010 13:25, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Isn't it going to present some complicated management problems if the LWG
> changes the contributor terms at this stage in the process? There are
> already some 30,000 accounts that have signed up to CT 1.0, if the next
> batch agrees to a di
2010/8/8 Richard Fairhurst :
>
> Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
>> I respect PD guys, but in overall, I start to grow to openly
>> dislike their attitude.
>
> Could you cite who these alleged PD guys are, please? Thanks in advance.
Sorry, it wasn't meant PD supportive persons in OSM in general.
However,
80n wrote:
Isn't it going to present some complicated management problems if the
LWG changes the contributor terms at this stage in the process?
No, not in this case. The proposal is a subset of the powers currently
available to OSMF, not a superset. It is the existing CT _minus_ the
option o
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>
> Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
> > I respect PD guys, but in overall, I start to grow to openly
> > dislike their attitude.
>
> Could you cite who these alleged PD guys are, please? Thanks in advance.
>
> I'm getting increasingly exasperated
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Russ Nelson wrote:
> Nathan Edgars II writes:
> > If a way is tagged tiger:reviewed=no, JOSM puts a highlight behind it,
> > and when you select it the red is a lot fatter. How do I disable this?
>
> Delete tiger:reviewed=no after you've reviewed a road. The high
Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
> I respect PD guys, but in overall, I start to grow to openly
> dislike their attitude.
Could you cite who these alleged PD guys are, please? Thanks in advance.
I'm getting increasingly exasperated with people projecting this big
bogeyman (or strawman. A big man made o
2010/8/8 John Smith :
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-August/003908.html
>
> Basically those in favour of PD but not directly effected by or
> benefiting from data imports would like to have them all ripped out
> and replaced with surveyed data.
I respect PD guys, but in
Probably if you live in an area with a fairly large number of mappers
on the ground imports have less impact, reality is trying to map
Canada from GPS traces is a bit unrealistic. I tend not to go for
walks at minus thirty, or even minus twenty come to that.
Cheerio John
On 8 August 2010 05:38,
For anyone still fence sitting over the new contributor terms and the
ODBL this is what you have to look forward to in the near future:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-August/003908.html
Basically those in favour of PD but not directly effected by or
benefiting from data
On 8 August 2010 18:43, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I'm now contemplating the much simpler path of rendering the data and
> then tracing. But before I do that I really want to be sure that there
> isn't a better way of doing this. Does anyone have any suggestions?
I think some people have
For some time I've been looking for an easy way to import some OSM formatted
data back into OSM.
It's not that easy. This is what it takes at the moment:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/BMO
So I'm now contemplating the much simpler path of rendering the data and
then tracing. But before I do
Nathan Edgars II writes:
> If a way is tagged tiger:reviewed=no, JOSM puts a highlight behind it,
> and when you select it the red is a lot fatter. How do I disable this?
Delete tiger:reviewed=no after you've reviewed a road. The highlight
is supposed to be ugly and annoying, by way of encourag
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