Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops

2011-02-11 Thread Willi
MapFactor Navigator Free does this. It's free with maps based on OSM data and runs out of the box without problems on Windows PC and Windows Mobile. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapFactor_Navigator_Free On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Esben Stien wrote: > > Is there some kind of applicati

Re: [OSM-talk] Manual Point Entry

2011-02-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Esben Stien wrote: > Is there some kind of command line application that would let me enter > data into the database?. Not really. There are some import tools that go from shapefiles to OSM data or so, but usually you will have to upload the data with an OSM editor later. We don't generall

Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops

2011-02-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > Anyway, there's also this to look at: > > http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/travelingsales/index.php?title=Main_Page Oh, just saw Richard W had already posted that link. Thought he posted this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelli

Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops

2011-02-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Gregory wrote: > Actually I got in the 2nd year of my ugrad Computer Science course. > I like to remind people it is impossible* to solve** the travelling salesman > for even 10 cities without spending several years of computer processing. Well, 20 cities maybe. 1

Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops

2011-02-11 Thread Gregory
On 11 February 2011 19:30, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:33:52 +0100 > Esben Stien wrote: > > Imagine a salesman, who has to visit 10 locations. Is there some > > software that can assist me in visiting these 10 locations the > > smartest and shortest way?. > > > > Any pointers?

Re: [OSM-talk] Manual Point Entry

2011-02-11 Thread Jo
Create an xml file with an .osm extension. Open this file with JOSM and upload... The only problem with this approach is that you'd also have to check for double entries. Jo 2011/2/11 Esben Stien : > Is there some kind of command line application that would let me enter > data into the database?

Re: [OSM-talk] Manual Point Entry

2011-02-11 Thread Gregory
Where have you got the GPS coordinates from (is the data agreeable to the OSM license)? What file format is the data in (does it have other data such as names of the repair shops)? You can use the api, but there are various tools to work with certain data. You also need to be careful about doing

[OSM-talk] Manual Point Entry

2011-02-11 Thread Esben Stien
Is there some kind of command line application that would let me enter data into the database?. Let's say I have the GPS coordinates of 100 auto repair shops. Is there any command line way to enter these shops into the database?. Any pointers?. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a

Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops

2011-02-11 Thread Esben Stien
Richard Weait writes: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traveling_salesman Thanks. I'll take a look at that. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid

[OSM-talk] New production build of magicshop

2011-02-11 Thread John-Michael Wiley
I just updated the servers http://magicshop.cloudapp.net with a new build. I apologize that I had to take down the servers for a few minutes during the upgrade. >From Ido: OK, like everything in IDF (Israeli army) the algorithm has three parts: 1. Pre-processing - creating road probabili

Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops

2011-02-11 Thread David Fawcett
If you wanted to do the routing analysis yourself, you could also use the following tools: pgRouting (PostGIS/Postgres) http://www.pgrouting.org/ VirtualNetwork (routing functionality in Spatialite) http://www.gaia-gis.it/spatialite-2.3.1/spatialite-network-2.3.1.html A service is definitely ea

Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops

2011-02-11 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:33:52 +0100 Esben Stien wrote: > Is there some kind of application that can help me with plotting the > smartest route in a set of points, if you're supposed to visit all the > points? > > Imagine a salesman, who has to visit 10 locations. Is there some > software that can

Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops

2011-02-11 Thread Dan Putler
Hi Ant and Richard, Thanks for the information. This isn't actually going into a we based service. It is is based on data I have on people's trips, so I can easily adjust the number of requests I send in a day so as to keep it at its current resource use level. Dan On 02/11/2011 10:36 AM, A

Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops

2011-02-11 Thread Antony Pegg
Barely any restrictions Check this page for full details: http://developer.mapquest.com/web/products/open/directions-service HTH Ant (the Limey) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops

2011-02-11 Thread Dan Putler
Hi Richard, Are you aware if they have a terms of use for these services? I can't find any on the link you sent, or on the MapQuest Open Platform Web Services page. I have an academic research project that this is perfect for, but I don't want to abuse my privileges. :-) Dan On 02/11/2011 0

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM user groups

2011-02-11 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi Matthias. I think, that's a great tool, but ;) At least for "my" local group (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OWL-Treffen) it's not completely correct. I don't have a much better solution, but neither the wiki template nor your bot support irregular meetings (location and date). In this c

Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops

2011-02-11 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Esben Stien wrote: > > Is there some kind of application that can help me with plotting the > smartest route in a set of points, if you're supposed to visit all the > points? > > Imagine a salesman, who has to visit 10 locations. Is there some > software that can a

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-11 Thread Renaud MICHEL
On vendredi 11 février 2011 at 02:43, Toby Murray wrote : > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Dave F. wrote: > > At what zoom level to I have to be at to view an already zoomed in area > > to view dark blue (z20)? > > > > I'm trying, but still failing to see the benefit in this. > > If enough of

[OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops

2011-02-11 Thread Esben Stien
Is there some kind of application that can help me with plotting the smartest route in a set of points, if you're supposed to visit all the points? Imagine a salesman, who has to visit 10 locations. Is there some software that can assist me in visiting these 10 locations the smartest and shortest

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-11 Thread ant
Replies to several statements in this thread. On 10.02.2011 23:50, Lennard wrote: On 10-2-2011 23:37, ant wrote: On 10.02.2011 20:25, Lennard wrote: @ant: Would it be possible to have the editors collect and report* on the available zoom levels, as users download Bing tiles while editing? Th

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM user groups

2011-02-11 Thread Matthias Meißer
Hi thanks Richard, currently I run the bot manually a few times the day. When it moved to the offical server we can do it more often/regular. Oh damn your right, missed that url thing. Will fix it! cya Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreet

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 10:50 +0100, Maarten Deen wrote: > I could even make a case that they are even more interested in OSM. > Since Nokia wants to offer navigation and since map coverage in > little-travelled area's is low, it would make sense for any company > offering maps to use crowdso

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM user groups

2011-02-11 Thread Richard Weait
2011/2/11 Matthias Meißer : > Hi, > > as some might know, the German division has a nice map of all local groups > at www.openstreetmap.de. > Inspired by this one, I created an international version and a simple bot > collecting all together. > > So if you put this on the page of your local meeting

[OSM-talk] OSM user groups

2011-02-11 Thread Matthias Meißer
Hi, as some might know, the German division has a nice map of all local groups at www.openstreetmap.de. Inspired by this one, I created an international version and a simple bot collecting all together. So if you put this on the page of your local meeting wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread Frank Heinen
I know this is not true in Europe at least due to my meeting at MS. They have enough reasons to keep being involved into OSM even if they have access to what ever map. So don't be scared! :) Regards, Frank 2011/2/11 pec...@gmail.com > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680 > > I think we

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread Gregory
On 11 February 2011 09:57, SteveC wrote: > Don't count your chickens until they are hatched. > > Steve > Oh no, Microsoft and Nokia working together? This is the end of it all, the great SteveC will even lose his job. I will read into this further (without any actual knowledge of the companies p

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread Steve Chilton
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." From: Jean-Marc Liotier [j...@liotier.org] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:33 AM To: Chris Browet Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] It'

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread Chris Browet
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:41, Maarten Deen wrote: > On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:35:32 +0100, Jo wrote: > >> 2011/2/11 Jean-Marc Liotier : >> >>> Chris Browet wrote: >>> "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... >>> >>> Can you believe that >>> http://www.google.com/#q="Les+carottes+poussent+l

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread Jo
>> > Chris Browet wrote: >> >> >> >> "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... >> > >> > Can you believe that >> > http://www.google.com/#q="Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit"; does not return >> > a >> > single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the spot ? >> >> It sounds like nonsense: best effo

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread Maarten Deen
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:35:32 +0100, Jo wrote: 2011/2/11 Jean-Marc Liotier : Chris Browet wrote: "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... Can you believe that http://www.google.com/#q="Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit"; does not return a single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the spot

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread Chris Browet
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:35, Jo wrote: > 2011/2/11 Jean-Marc Liotier : > > Chris Browet wrote: > >> > >> "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... > > > > Can you believe that > > http://www.google.com/#q="Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit"; does not return > a > > single hit ? Did you just coin that Fren

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread Jo
2011/2/11 Jean-Marc Liotier : > Chris Browet wrote: >> >> "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... > > Can you believe that > http://www.google.com/#q="Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit"; does not return a > single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the spot ? It sounds like nonsense: best effor

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Chris Browet wrote: "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... It means nothing... It is a private joke to > make fun of people using proverbs too often :-) Take it from a native French speaker that it sounds perfectly legit - it got me googling it as I wondered why I had never heard it before...

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread Chris Browet
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:12, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > Chris Browet wrote: > >> >> "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... >> > > Can you believe that http://www.google.com/#q="Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit"; > does not return a single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the > spot ? >

Re: [OSM-talk] collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-11 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 19:45:48 + Tom Hughes wrote: > On 10/02/11 19:37, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > > > Let's get this completely fair, and remove all the work of others > > who have been caught tracing from Google, admitted it when > > challenged, and only the work which was challenged has been >

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Chris Browet wrote: "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... Can you believe that http://www.google.com/#q="Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit"; does not return a single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the spot ? ___ talk mailing list talk@o

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread Chris Browet
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:53, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > Chris Browet wrote: > >> >> I think he meant that now that MS will have access to Navteq, there is >> more than reasonable doubts regarding their future involvment in OSM... >> > > Don't discount the likelihood of Microsoft hedging its bet

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread Chris Browet
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:57, SteveC wrote: > Don't count your chickens until they are hatched. > > And "Les carottes poussent la nuit"... ;-) - Chris - ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Chris Browet wrote: I think he meant that now that MS will have access to Navteq, there is more than reasonable doubts regarding their future involvment in OSM... Don't discount the likelihood of Microsoft hedging its bets and maintaining a competitive attitude toward its own allies.

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread SteveC
Don't count your chickens until they are hatched. Steve stevecoast.com On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:44, Chris Browet wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:40, Andrew Ayre wrote: > What is the point of spreading unfounded FUD? OSM doesn't need Microsoft to > exist anyway. > > I think he meant that

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread Maarten Deen
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:29:39 +0200, pec...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680 I think we can call it a day. I really doubt Microsoft will be that interested in OSM anymore when they got Nokia on their hook. Why would you think that? Why would Microsoft be interested i

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-11 Thread Lennard
> I do agree that it is a lot of effort for information that Bing must > already have. *Looks at SteveC* Wouldn't be too hard to dump imagery > boundaries into a shapefile or something, would it? :) Or feed it from the editors, as I suggested before. They're already doing the hard work of fetching

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread Chris Browet
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:40, Andrew Ayre wrote: > What is the point of spreading unfounded FUD? OSM doesn't need Microsoft to > exist anyway. > I think he meant that now that MS will have access to Navteq, there is more than reasonable doubts regarding their future involvment in OSM... - Chri

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread pec...@gmail.com
2011/2/11 Andrew Ayre : > What is the point of spreading unfounded FUD? OSM doesn't need Microsoft to > exist anyway. Well, I'm not talking about OSM existence, of course. I'm talking about interesting collaboration between Microsoft and OSM community which just started to give fruits. It was just

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread Andrew Ayre
What is the point of spreading unfounded FUD? OSM doesn't need Microsoft to exist anyway. Andy pec...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680 I think we can call it a day. I really doubt Microsoft will be that interested in OSM anymore when they got Nokia on their hook.

[OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread pec...@gmail.com
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680 I think we can call it a day. I really doubt Microsoft will be that interested in OSM anymore when they got Nokia on their hook. Cheers, Peter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openst

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage

2011-02-11 Thread Andrew Ayre
Toby Murray wrote: Does anyone think more discussion is going to yield anything useful? It is obvious that Anthony is unwilling to accept a nearly universally held community consensus. I initially thought that the wholesale nuking of all his contributions was a little drastic. But his continued a

Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary rendering bug

2011-02-11 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:48 AM, Lennard wrote: > The *way* renders z9-z11. The *relation* renders z11+. Aha. It all becomes clear. It still seems a little odd that a way without any admin_level tag is rendered before an admin_level=6 way/boundary though. I would personally prefer counties to be

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-11 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 09:12 -0500, Mike N wrote: > On 2/10/2011 9:01 AM, Anthony wrote: > > Tracing aerials does not involve copying data. > >Tracing from Google's imagery not only violates their terms of usage, > their spokespeople say that it's explicitly not allowed. There's > nothing to