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> On 20. Nov 2018, at 19:56, Christoph Hormann wrote:
>
> It is also completely
> non-verifiable (anyone can claim something is theirs).
it is completely verifiable: you can read, hear and see that they claim it.
As long as we agree that ‚anyone‘ is not sufficient (as in
Are we looking for a solution of existing problem?
Or thinking of hypothetical future problems and how they could
potentially be harder (but not impossible) to solve using proposed
solution? With a purpose of declaring it "too difficult" so "lets do
nothing"?
Most of us are happy to live in countr
On Tuesday 20 November 2018, Andy Townsend wrote:
> >Do you know a country which has a fluctuating representation of
> > its borders say in schoolbooks?
>
> In my lifetime, lots - [...]
Back in the days when i was at school typical German school maps knew at
least four different types of nati
>>Do you know a country which has a fluctuating representation of its
>> borders say in schoolbooks?
>
> In my lifetime, lots - countries (and I don't mean where boundaries
> changed, but the external recogition of them did). For example, the US
> only recognised the People's Republic of China
On 20/11/2018 19:43, Tomas Straupis wrote:
Do you know a country which has a fluctuating representation of its
borders say in schoolbooks?
In my lifetime, lots - countries (and I don't mean where boundaries
changed, but the external recogition of them did). For example, the US
only recog
All borders are verifiable mostly only by checking official documents.
I think you are missing something very basic here.
If two official documents are in disagreement then which one is correct? Two
countries claiming the same territory for example.
Those apps, which cannot tolerate over
> From a practical point of view different applications such as OSMand take a
> snapshot of the database at a point in time.
> How would your proposal work with these derivatives and there are quite a few
> including the odd one that gets updated once or year or so.
Sorry, I did not understand
On Tuesday 20 November 2018, Tomas Straupis wrote:
>
> But it would eliminate all border DISPUTES and ELIMINATE all this
> political crap out of OSM discussions.
Yes, sure, by allowing every mapper to map his or her specific
subjective desire how the reality should look like we could eliminate
>From a practical point of view different applications such as OSMand take a
snapshot of the database at a point in time.
How would your proposal work with these derivatives and there are quite a
few including the odd one that gets updated once or year or so.
Are you suggesting that all applicati
2018-11-20, an, 20:58 Christoph Hormann rašė:
> This is not a workable approach as an universal rule. The volume of
> boundary relation overlap world wide would be enormeous. You would
> have a significant number of boundaries that have no practical meaning
> today. Some countries have pretty ex
On Tuesday 20 November 2018, Tomas Straupis wrote:
> > How should we decide which way to map disputed borders?!
>
> As it was mapped a week ago: BOTH ways (included in BOTH country
> polygons).
This is not a workable approach as an universal rule. The volume of
boundary relation overlap world
2018-11-20, an, 19:59 Rory McCann rašė:
> How should we decide which way to map disputed borders?!
As it was mapped a week ago: BOTH ways (included in BOTH country polygons).
If required - disputed territory (polygon geometry) can be mapped as
"disputed=yes" with a tag "ground_control=ICHTAMN
OSM currently maps borders based on "physical control", which can have
outcomes like this. I can see why it would be.. undesirable to some. If
you think OSM should use a different rule, then please suggest another
rule. We can talk about it and see what that rule would be like. It's a
little more
Tomas,
If you want OSM to reconsider the disputed boundaries problem, you should
analyse a selection of problems from around the world and come up with a
policy that can address the issues there. As a charicature, you could say
that we were faced with the choice of making a map that's illegal in
On 20/11/2018 13:09, Tomas Straupis wrote:
Can you give an example where things in OpenStreetMap are mapped in
a different way than overwhelming majority of world thinks?
If "the UN" counts for "the overwhelming majority of the world", there
are quite a few examples.
The UN recognises terr
2018-11-20, an, 14:33 john whelan rašė:
> I think you have expressed your opinion but unfortunately whilst difficult
> for you to accept traditionally OSM maps a certain way and has done
> for sometime even though many governments and others would wish
> we did something else.
Can you give an ex
I think you have expressed your opinion but unfortunately whilst difficult
for you to accept traditionally OSM maps a certain way and has done for
sometime even though many governments and others would wish we did
something else.
The world isn't perfect, but from a pragmatic point of view I think
2018-11-20, an, 12:42 Elena ``of Valhalla'' rašė:
> looking at a map where Crimea is part of Ukraine may lead people to plan
> a trip to it, only to be stopped and possibly questioned.
But going to Crimea without Ukrainian visa (and not via Ukraine
controlled territory) would have legal conseque
On 2018-11-20 at 11:22:46 +0200, Tomas Straupis wrote:
> While I have already stated a number of negative effects (which have
> so far been ignored), what positive effects does excluding Crimea from
> Ukraine gives? The only way you can get to occupied territory of
> Crimea from government contro
> If you ask students to contribute to the map and at the same time say
> "btw they are in favour of evil Russian aggression" then of course
> students (at least in Lithuania) will give it the thumbs-down. But if
> you patiently explain the "on-the-ground rule" and that using this rule
> has many p
Hi,
On 20.11.2018 09:13, Tomas Straupis wrote:
> How can I ask students to contribute to the map, which makes such a
> damaging statement and has data which cannot be used to produce maps?
*You* are making the statement, and publicly misinterpreting OSM's
motivations. In doing so, it is *you* who
Youre saying something written in pdf is more important than huge practical
and reputational damage done?
Pdf cannot be wrong and it does not matter that OpenStreetMap loses a lot
of opportunities and probable contributors?
What will ordinary people understand from this decision? Will they read
s
Hi,
On 20.11.2018 07:15, Tomas Straupis wrote:
> It would also be nice to know how members of DWG voted, to have more
> information on their attitudes towards Russian aggression.
The attitudes towards Russian aggression do not matter. DWG is not a
body that rules about justice in the world, DW
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