Re: [OSM-talk] Routing Applications

Hi, > In theory competition drives functionality improvements, although in > this case it's not clear if this happened. Any map based website that > doesn't include a permalink option isn't worth using, Unless it's been > recently added & is very well hidden OSMR hasn't this option. OSRM has the

Re: [OSM-talk] 'Allowed data'

As a result of some miss communication I stopped reading the email before the wall of text ended. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline updates

Hi, > I think we have to face it: The approach of allowing the user to add > anything to the map and later fix it has failed. I strongly believed in > it for the longest time. But I don't any more. We have to have stronger > guarantees in the data structures and more checks in editors and in > the

Re: [OSM-talk] Making iD the default editor on osm.org

Hi, > 4. There are concerns that iD (and thus osm.org ) will > promote Facebook and Twitter, over other social networks. The problem I have with those big share buttons is not that they promote Facebook or Twitter over G+ or other sites but that the (hopefully soon default) e

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsubscribe

Hi, It is very common for a mailing list to offer the unsubscribe link in the footer. Is there a reason to not adding the link to the footer ? The list already adds a link to the listinfo page which already contains the option "To unsubscribe from talk, get a password reminder, or change yo

Re: [OSM-talk] Airspace & Co.

Hi, > we have this recurring topic in various parts of OSM - airspace > mapping. It's really a recurring topic spanning more then just airspace mapping but extending to DVB-T coverage, GSM mapping and other stuff. > I'm strictly against it. Me too, but with the restriction mentioned further down

Re: [OSM-talk] is it just me

Hi, > ... or does this map look like an older Texas osmarender layer > screenshot plus a tilt-shift blur added? > > http://www.wm.com/contact-us.jsp > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=29.75507&lon=-95.36237&zoom=17&layers=O It does. Especially the oneway arrows are quite distin

Re: [OSM-talk] Why isn't any XAPI server available ?

Hi, > For simple map calls there is TRAPI[1]. As far as I know, TRAPI performs > much better on map (bbox) queries than either the main-API, XAPI or ROMA (on > equivalent hardware). Rather than using a database, I think it used a > pre-tiled file structure, so that it simple needs to peace togeth

Re: [OSM-talk] Why isn't any XAPI server available ?

Hi, > Am I missing something here...? People are complaining about how bogged > down and slow the current service is, so its being re-written in java? > Is there any language slower or more resource intensive than java? If > the service isnt designed to be portable (it only runs on one system >

Re: [OSM-talk] Is there a key for any of the major renders?

Hi, >>> Other than the one you get by clicking "Map Key" on the left hand side >>> of the map you mean? >> Try doing that when osmarender or the cyclemap layers are displayed > Exactly - the technology is there. It just needs somebody to provide the > images. Following a similar discussion in sept

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Hi, > Hmm, I didn't realize we did that. I thought that would count as 'tagging > for the renderer' - after all wouldn't Mapnik be capable of finding both names and printing both on the map? Perhaps it could. > Does the 'on the ground rule' not give guidance here? Who says that is doesn't apply?

Re: [OSM-talk] Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people

Hi, >> No matter if the claim is 10% or 100% it should be made and it should be >> heard. > Without more details about contributor intent we are left to speculate... True. But I think we both agree that it is a valid point that should be discussed and handled (hopefully in a manner to minimize da

Re: [OSM-talk] Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people

Hi, >> There is a big difference between pointing out "the current form of the >> contributor terms means that we will loose 80% of the data in Australia. >> Do you really want to proceed?" and jumping into every thread and >> spreading FUD that has been dissected and disproved several times by >>

Re: [OSM-talk] Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people

Hi, > While others are afraid to contribute to the discussion because of the heat. > I think the Australians have a good point about the contributor terms and > loss of data, but I'm not going to get involved and risk being labeled a > "poisonous person" for agreeing with them. There is a big diff

Re: [OSM-talk] Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people

Hi all, > I know this first hand. Many (if not most or all) of the key people > in OSM are feeling drained, distracted and upset. Some are talking of > hiatus or resign. These are the key people who write code, build > things, maintain things and run our working groups. I'm not sure if I (still) q

Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 69, Issue 64

Hi, > in looking at the maxspeed page, i see that in going from mph to > km/h, rounding is always down. can someone speak to why that choice > was made? If you stick to _that_ value, you are legally save. If you go at the limit calculated from round to the closest integer you might be going (slig

[OSM-talk] Russians at it again

Hi all, judging from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:ВикиПроект_Россия/Голосования/Государственная_тайна (see http://tinyurl.com/2cx9v9h for english version) and http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=6905&p=3 (see http://tinyurl.com/327ooaa) the Russian make a second attempt to reg

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of Marinas changed

Hi all, >>> Is there a reason why Mapnik's rendering of leisure=marina has change >>> from a blue area to a dashed border line? >> IIRC there was a discussion in #osm which basically went like this: >> [..] >> "ok lets make it a blue dashed line and see who complains". > > Count me as a complain

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of Marinas changed

Hi, >> IIRC there was a discussion in #osm which basically went like this: > Which forum do you mean by #osm? The IRC channel #osm in the oftc network. (The one mentioned in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IRC#IRC) HTH, Patrick "Petschge" Kilian ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of Marinas changed

Hi all, > Is there a reason why Mapnik's rendering of leisure=marina has change > from a blue area to a dashed border line? IIRC there was a discussion in #osm which basically went like this: "Does leisure=marina cover the land portion or the water portion of the marina" "hm, well don't know. w

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

Hi all, > If there is something in the Russian DB that their government wants us > to remove, then we should remove it. Otherwise it could escalate to > the point where they block osm.org, or even have an edit war between > us and hackers employed by the KGB^H^H^H Russian Intelligence. The > entit

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

Hi, > Many of the administrative boundaries in my area follow roads (or vice > versa). (E.g. http://osm.org/go/Zcll6ubE?layers=B000TTF ) It seems > like the TIGER import has a separate list of nodes for the two ways > (one administrative and one road), but the nodes are at identical > locations.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for walkers / hikers - getting it going!

Hi, >> So Roy suggests "smoothness" and you suggest "sac_scale". Neither is >> really definitive. > I don't get you here. What do you mean by "really definitive"? By > August 2009 we had 36770 occurencies of sac_scale in our database [1] > Probably in the meantime it became even more. AFAIK it is

Re: [OSM-talk] Freemap - OpenStreetMap for walkers (hikers) - feature ideas?

Hi, > Walking isn't just about long-distance stuff. > Being able to say: x is my starting point and I have [10|30|60mins|...] > and I am [slow as a snail|average|running from mad mappers], please take > me on a circular route that avoids busy roads, goes through nice parks, > maybe goes to places

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: [CrisisMappers] FW: I NEED SUPPLIES NOW/ Location of Functioning Hospital : OSM PIPELINE SUGGESTED !]

Hi, > This is exactly the reason why I advocate reusing existing, proved, > known technology : > OpenStreetBugs > that has already been tried in crisis situation (see wiki/Task) > and which just needs a new NAME As per your request there is a dedicated OSB instance for haiti available at ose.petsc

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Tagging for Haiti: Humanitarian Data Models in support of OSM tagging for Haiti EQ

Hi, > If the idea of removing one of the two does not generate enthusiasm, > would applying both tags everyhere be a better idea ? I don't believe > so, but I would love to read other opinions... Not in general. In this case it might be. > Actually, I'm surprised that no one else commented on th

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Haiti Field requirement: Haiti OSM maps in PDF

Hi all, >> I just ran osmarender on the haiti dump and generated a 24MB svg file >> with haiti in the z17 style. Should I upload it somewhere for you? Or >> should I rasterize it first? Should I use another stylefile? > > Hey thanks, man, this is highly appreciated! > The stylesheet stuff could

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Haiti Field requirement: Haiti OSM maps in PDF

Hi all, > I did another try with osmarender, as the 22 MByte OSM file I > exported in parts via josm might be inconsistent somehow. > > So I took the larger "whole-Haiti" (80MByte, > http://labs.geofabrik.de/haiti/2010-01-17-02-44.osm.bz2 ) file to let > it render, but it took 2 Gigs of RAM and

Re: [OSM-talk] Boundaries in Haiti

Hi all, > Based on the data here : > https://www.geoint-online.net/community/haitiearthquake/default.aspx > of the US Census Bureau, I extracted the city and town borders for > Haiti. > The tags I used are : > > is_in="name of the district" > name=* > boundary=administrative > admin_level=8 > sou

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Tagging for Haiti: Humanitarian Data Models in support of OSM tagging for Haiti EQ

Hi all, >> But I don't know yet how to perform mass edits to correct such >> typo... Can anyone do that - and tell us how it is done ? > > I think I've fixed it. Using http://www.petschge.de/osm/fixme_haiti/ > and JOSM. No conflicts when uploading, 14xx objects changed. Looks good. Only 4 collaps

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoEye Haiti imagery Ok'd

Hi all, > Maybe I've missed it but is there any page that's easily accessable > to OSM outsiders about the Haiti mapping efforts? This page is full of > info but intimidating: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti#Mapping_the_earthquake_area > > I'd really like to se

Re: [OSM-talk] icon for veterinary

Hi, > I didn't expect that my previous question would make such a great > fuss. I didn't aim to hit you personally. Your email was just the straw which broke my composure. > Since I now volunteered for implementing an icon for > amenity=veterinary, I couldn't get my mind off the icon itself toda

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

Hi, please not that I speak only for osmarender as other renderers are maintained by other people. The following is basically a rant. So don't get mad at me or take the following personally. You mapped something? great You checked the wiki for tags to model the reality with? ok You whine about

Re: [OSM-talk] New "Highways" view in OSM Inspector

Hi, > THAT depends on your definition of "straight line". > I suppose, but it'd have to be a pretty contrived definition of > "straight line" to be equivalent to Spherical Mercator, would it not? I think that line that are straight in mercator projections are loxodroms. But I'm not 100% sure abou

Re: [OSM-talk] New "Highways" view in OSM Inspector

Hi all, > And, thinking about it a bit, I guess the proper rule is that (10, > 10) -> (30, 30) passes through (20, 20), since it's completely > unrealistic to assume that the basic renderers will do otherwise. And this is where you are wrong. On zoomlevel 0 (one tile for the whole earth) (10,10)

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM rewriting history : France is now part of Germany !

Hi, >> I think that there was someone on IRC a while ago pointing out the name >> of a natural reserve on the South African mainland which was rendered >> way out west on the water. > This happens with postcode boundaries too, due to the irregular shape > the name renders outside of them some tim

Re: [OSM-talk] Ticket on trac fixed properly ???

Hi, > Someone fixed my request to render "leisure=dog_park" on osmarender, > but neither the node nor the areas are visible on the map. The someone was me. It most likly doesn't appear yet because most clients haven't updated yet. > My suggested icon attached with the ticket, was for the nodes (P

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

>>> I live in the United States. I can do whatever the heck I want >>> with the OSM database. Now you want me to agree to a contract >>> limiting those rights. So I'll ask again: What's in it for me? >> My data. The streets I mapped. The trails I mapped. The POIs I >> mapped. The Indonesian

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

Hi all, > I live in the United States. I can do whatever the heck I want with the > OSM database. Now you want me to agree to a contract limiting those > rights. So I'll ask again: What's in it for me? My data. The streets I mapped. The trails I mapped. The POIs I mapped. The Indonesian island

Re: [OSM-talk] Mountain Passes - Display Issue

Hi all, >> Just to bring to the group's notice. I added a few mountain passes a >> couple of days ago along with the hiking trails and waypoints >> >> When I now check on OSM, while the trails are there along with the >> waypoints, the passes are missing. However, when I download data from >> O

Re: [OSM-talk] Instead of voting

Hi, >> What exactly, in your opinion, should the talk list be used for >> exactly, now that everything has been branched off to it's own list? > > From a quick scan through the last couple of months, perhaps stuff > like: feeds, Software Freedom Day, GPS in planes, 35 servers from > Wikimedia F

Re: [OSM-talk] fine line style for osmarender

Hi, > I need any style file for osmarender (osmarender.xsl) by > walkin-papers.org print style or fine-line style from cloudmade. I suspect that both use mapnik and not osmarender for rendering the map. The stylefiles are not compatible between the two renderers. Therefore I fear you have to eithe

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announcement] Support added for route waypoints in YOURS

Hi all, > Hereby I would like to announce that YOURS now has the capability to use > the long awaited "via points" (waypoints) in a route. The code for this > feature has been contributed by Philip Homburg. Web design is still rather > crude, but that will hopefully improve over time. Very cool f

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] NHD Dataset

Hi all, > Mapnik already support this,see: > http://openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/24849/ > > But production osmarender not yet: > http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.6758&lon=15.9996&zoom=12&layers=0B00FTF > > What's the problem with osmarender patch? The problem is that neither bobkare nor I r

Re: [OSM-talk] Curling icons for OSM

Hi, > The sport of curling has been ignored by OSM for too long. I've made a > set of icons for curling rinks. k:sport; v:curling can now have the > dignity it deserves. > > http://weait.com/content/curling-icon > > Would somebody please commit these to svn? Commited to osmarender as r1368

Re: [OSM-talk] Boundaries broken on t...@h?

Hi, > The last days the administrative boundaries have been disappearing and > re-appearing on the t...@h tiles on new renderings, and now it seems like > they're not re-appearing anymore. Can this be looked into? This in an intentional change in the stylesheets for some zoom levels. Please have

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetBugs - open or not?

Hi, >> I think its worth beeing included on the main page - Probably it would >> be a good idea to make it more open, put the code into svn, make the >> database schemas visible so that we do not depend on a single person. > > Has there been any development on this or is OSB still just as closed?

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal for a map-bug tracker (Openstreetbugs)

Hi, > It would be nice if we could decide on one solution instead of > implementing two competing ones. So, it would be good to have a look at > the advantages and disadvantages of a bugzilla and a rails-port > solution and decide then which one fits best. Perhaps which should also > ask the softw

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps - OSM comparison

Hi, > I made a comparison Google Maps - OSM for all capitals. > http://lamp2.fhstp.ac.at/~lbz/beispiele/ws2008/capitals/index.php First of all: Thanks for the effort to build this comparison. It's very interessting that OSM is good in many of the "less famous" capitals, but not (yet) as good for

[OSM-talk] TIGER - new maplint test

Hi all, I just implemented a new maplint test to check for tiger:reviewed=no tags. Currently it would generate notices (shown in yellow) because lots of objects are going to be highlighted by this test and I don't want to obscure other warnings. The new test can be seen at http://www.petschge.de/o

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on the wiki "map features"

Hi, >> We should stop the game now. All the people who like the "Map >> Features" page should say something about this edit war even if they >> don't care about "smoothness". I really feel disappointed. >> > > Agreed. It needs to stop, people need to discuss the issue here instead. > Is the featu

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

Hi, >> I prefer the second because it makes a street having no name and having no >> sign with a name impossible. >> ( If find them exclusives, since if there is no name, there can't be a name >> sign, or else there is an error) >> But if some people thing it should be possible, then I'll prop

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

Hi, >> If you can spend the time to find good names for the individual option >> (and merge say residential-without-name and poi-without-name to noname) >> and do all the stuff in the wiki, I'm certainly not opposed to change >> the naming in maplint. If we can reach consensus in this way and have

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

Hi, >> From my point of view internal=noname and noname=yes both tell me that >> the street has no name. validate:residential-without-name=ignore tell's >> the validator not to highlight the fact that there is no name. > Then we have the same definition. Good. >> But I want a _consistent_ way to

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

Hi, > Patrick Kilian wrote: >> validate:empty-tag-key >> validate:empty-tag-value >> validate:untagged-way >> validate:bridge-or-tunnel-without-layer >> validate:deprecated-tags >> validate:motorway-without-ref >> validate:place-of-worship-

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

Hi, >> noname and validate are not really the same thing. "noname" say that >> something does not have a name. The validate namespace is a lot more >> universal in its goal. > > Exact, but I was making a comparisson between > * higwhay=residential > * noname=yes > and > * higwhay=residential >

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

Hi, >> to disable specific tests. If other variants (like unnamed=yes) or >> other namespaces for annotations (like the internal namespace) show >> up prominently enough I'll update maplint again to support those >> tags too. > > I think, we, as validation tools developpers/maintainer, have a > r

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

Hi all, As of revison 12060 maplint supports noname=yes for residential roads and POIs as well as validate:empty-tag-value validate:bridge-or-tunnel-without-layer validate:motorway-without-ref validate:place-of-worship-without-religion validate:poi-without-name validate:residential-without-name

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

Hi all, see http://www.petschge.de/osm/ignore-tags/noname.patch for a dead simple non-extensible alternative which only supports noname=yes. Patrick "Petschge" Kilian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/

Re: [OSM-talk] Validator tags

Hi, > Whoops, looks like we are working on the same thing, with same goal and > almost > the same method Looks like you want to formalize the note=* thing a bit. Which is a good think. I guess the patch could be expanded to not expect a name for "internal:noname=yes". Alternativly you could exc

Re: [OSM-talk] POI layer for [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi all, > in the last couple if days the discussion of a POI layer appeared again. > With the new server we should have enough disk space to store such a > layer and I'm willing to resurrect the old stylesheets / create new > stylesheets for that layer. But since I'm not scratching my own itch >

[OSM-talk] Validator tags

Hi all, I want to propose a technically clean way to deal with unnamed streets and other false positives of the maplint checks. The patch at http://www.petschge.de/osm/ignore-tags/maplint.patch modifies the maplint checks to suppress the warning / error if a tag with validate:$testname=ignore is

[OSM-talk] POI layer for [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi all, in the last couple if days the discussion of a POI layer appeared again. With the new server we should have enough disk space to store such a layer and I'm willing to resurrect the old stylesheets / create new stylesheets for that layer. But since I'm not scratching my own itch here I hav

Re: [OSM-talk] gpsbasecamp.com

Hi, > Can data from GPS base camp (gpsbasecamp.com) be used in OSM? It might be technically possible, but it is most likely illegal. > The site has state and national park data formatted in GPX XML. Would be nice to have those, but the people who uploaded their files to gpsbasecamp.com only made

Re: [OSM-talk] Many roads missing

Hi, > What would cause these roads not to render? > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.9455&lon=-87.7344&zoom=13&layers=0B00FTF That one looks a lot like the "missing stripes" bug. That bug should have been fixed by Dirk Stöcker on 21.10. Either the bug is not totally gone, or the person who ren

Re: [OSM-talk] Spam in OSM diary :-(

Hi, > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Ickogg/diary/3606 > Hope this isn't the start of something messy :-( Unfortunately there is more: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/fresnikors/diary/3603 Patrick "Petschge" Kilian ___ talk mailing list talk@o

[OSM-talk] [patch] correct icons for graveyards

Hello, I decided to give the correct display of religious symbols a shot. As a first step I created icons for the graveyards of the different religions and to extend the osm.xml file. The png icons were generated from higher resolutions bitmap files (sorry no svg (at least not yet)) which I