Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-12 Thread Brendan Morley
The momentum within Australian Governments is now to foster an environment of 99% free with 99% coverage. Best of both worlds, but requires a shift to CCBY thinking. On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:56:12 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-12 Thread Brendan Morley
I just assumed street maps was its original purpose that it outgrew as it became more popular. However, there's great value in having everything with a position on the Earth in the one true geofabric. Assuming the OSMF is happy to have the database be populated with said objects. I'm sure

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread James Livingston
On 11/12/2009, at 8:02 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: so we don't need imported data? In most cases we don't need imported data, but it can be useful. For example rather than painstakingly crafting the entire coastline of Australia from a few GPS traces and a lot of imagery (much is relatively

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread paul youlten
James, I am sure there are other examples of things that can't be easily mapped by humans walking, cycling and kayaking around (drains, underground tunnels and long lines of electricity pylons spring to mind). Luckily street maps don't usually depend on these things to be useful. PY On Fri,

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread Dave F.
paul youlten wrote: James, I am sure there are other examples of things that can't be easily mapped by humans walking, cycling and kayaking around (drains, underground tunnels and long lines of electricity pylons spring to mind). Luckily street maps don't usually depend on these things to be

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread John Smith
2009/12/11 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: so we don't need imported data? --  Forwarded Message  -- Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Why PD is not better for business Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 From: paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com To: Liz ed...@billiau.net Liz, The coastline

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread paul youlten
34,218 kilometres of beautiful, sunny coastline. ... sounds like you need to organise a huge mapping party... ... or maybe someone should set up a OSM-au holiday company - people in Northern Europe would pay good money to go on that sort of mapping adventure. PY On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:11

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:39 PM, paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com wrote: James, I am sure there are other examples of things that can't be easily mapped by humans walking, cycling and kayaking around (drains, underground tunnels and long lines of electricity pylons spring to mind).

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread paul youlten
But it is still a street map that we are making - administrative boundaries, top secret government installations, Al Qaeda training camps, water catchment areas and so on are fascinating (and probably great fun to map) but they are not necessarily part of a street map. PY On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread Dave F.
paul youlten wrote: But it is still a street map that we are making - administrative boundaries, top secret government installations, Al Qaeda training camps, water catchment areas and so on are fascinating (and probably great fun to map) but they are not necessarily part of a street map. PY

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread paul youlten
Dave, Clearly all those things, and much more, can and should be mapped. They can all be seen on the street and they all have public access. I agree: If it's a physical entity then it can be mapped. ++ What is less clear is what happens if changing the licence means we lose invisible

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread Peter Childs
2009/12/11 paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com: Dave, Clearly all those things, and much more, can and should be mapped. They can all be seen on the street and they all have public access. I agree: If it's a physical entity then it can be mapped. ++ What is less clear is what happens if

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org wrote: From having seen it in quite a few Open Source projects, it would be a death sentence. I'll have to take your word for it. From my point of view, I think I'd rather see a 70% free project with 100% coverage, than a 100% free

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread paul youlten
Peter, That sounds bad. Can you give us some examples? PY On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org wrote: 2009/12/11 paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com: Dave, Clearly all those things, and much more, can and should be mapped. They can all be seen on the street and

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread Peter Childs
2009/12/11 paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com: Peter, That sounds bad. Can you give us some examples? PY On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org wrote: 2009/12/11 paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.com: Dave, Clearly all those things, and much more, can and should be

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread Shalabh
Dont see that as necessarily bad. If there is a fundamental difference in ideologies/beliefs of members, I think the project, in the longer term is better served by a split. Neither do I see it as a setback, its more like a step backward to take many steps forward for each of the splits. Regards,

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread paul youlten
Oh, so you are talking about a fork in an open source project. Of course I realised that you didn't really mean death but I thought you might mean that Liz Dodds and Talk-au were going to cut my nodes off. ;-) I was under the impression that a certain amount of forking was encouraged in open

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread Emilie Laffray
2009/12/11 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org Hmm Maybe these have not all died but the split did cause serious damage. X (You now have a choice of X.org and XFree86), The split caused a long halt in development and the original is hardly used now, only the branch Joomla/Mambo I'm sure

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread Peter Childs
2009/12/11 Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com: 2009/12/11 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org Hmm Maybe these have not all died but the split did cause serious damage. X (You now have a choice of X.org and XFree86), The split caused a long halt in development and the original is hardly used

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread Shalabh
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org wrote: 2009/12/11 Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com: 2009/12/11 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org Hmm Maybe these have not all died but the split did cause serious damage. X (You now have a choice of X.org and

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread Liz
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Shalabh wrote: While I am not advocating a fork (I am anyway voting a yes to ODBL), I dont think a single community is always the answer. Single communities tend to get static for the lack of competition. All successful open source projects have parallels, whether through

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 11/12/2009 16:16, Peter Childs wrote: Hmm the Fork is strong? in the case of X XFree86 (ie the original) is almost unknown now. and the Fork meant many years of little or no development on what is the main graphics sub-system used across multiple operating systems. In the case of

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread Shalabh
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Shalabh wrote: While I am not advocating a fork (I am anyway voting a yes to ODBL), I dont think a single community is always the answer. Single communities tend to get static for the lack of competition.

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Fwd: Re: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-11 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Shalabh shalab...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Shalabh wrote: While I am not advocating a fork (I am anyway voting a yes to ODBL), I dont think a single community is always the answer.