Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Renaud MICHEL wrote: Users with edits who have not agreed: 86764 Users without edits who have not agreed: 129406 When you write "users who have not agreed", do you mean only those that have explicitly said no to the CT? Or do you include all the users who have not made a choice yet? Th

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-16 Thread Kai Krueger
Tom Hughes-3 wrote: > > To inject some actual hard data into the conversation, here are some > actual numbers, straight from the database: > > Users with edits who have agreed: 96917 > Users without edits who have agreed: 104663 > Users with edits who have not agreed: 86764 > Users without edit

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-16 Thread Tom Hughes
On 16/06/11 17:09, Renaud MICHEL wrote: On jeudi 16 juin 2011 at 10:20, Tom Hughes wrote : To inject some actual hard data into the conversation, here are some actual numbers, straight from the database: Users with edits who have agreed: 96917 Users without edits who have agreed: 104663 Users w

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-16 Thread Renaud MICHEL
On jeudi 16 juin 2011 at 10:20, Tom Hughes wrote : > To inject some actual hard data into the conversation, here are some > actual numbers, straight from the database: > > Users with edits who have agreed: 96917 > Users without edits who have agreed: 104663 > Users with edits who have not agreed:

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-16 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Am 16.06.2011 06:13, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: Heiko Jacobs-2 wrote: Am 15.06.2011 06:59, schrieb Russ Nelson: What about the people who have declared their edits to be in the public domain? Setting PD flag without accepting OBL/DBCL/CT isn't possible in the moment (or did I miss a loop hole,

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-16 Thread Andy Street
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 11:44 +0100, Andy Street wrote: > On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 22:33 +0200, Michael Collinson wrote: > > As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 this > > Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical. This will > > mean that anyone who has e

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-16 Thread Tom Hughes
On 16/06/11 08:17, Eric Marsden wrote: It's quite simple: I object to the OSMF using what I consider to be very misleading statistics in communication on the ODBL process. Michael Collinson's message can be interpreted as saying that 0.2% of users haven't accepted the new contributor

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-16 Thread Eric Marsden
> "rf" == Richard Fairhurst writes: rf> Sorry, you've puzzled me a bit here. rf> You state that it's better to cite "how much data would be deleted". rf> However, that directly contradicts your previous paragraph, in which you rf> quote, um, the number of users, not the amount of data

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Russ Nelson
Heiko Jacobs writes: > Am 15.06.2011 06:59, schrieb Russ Nelson: > > Michael Collinson writes: > > > As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 this > > > Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical. This > > will > > > mean that anyone who ha

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Heiko Jacobs-2 wrote: > > Am 15.06.2011 06:59, schrieb Russ Nelson: >> Michael Collinson writes: >> > As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 >> this >> > Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical. This >> will >> > mean that anyone who has ex

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: "David Murn" To: "Josh Doe" Cc: ; "Richard Fairhurst" Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 14:49 -0400, Josh Doe

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Am 15.06.2011 06:59, schrieb Russ Nelson: Michael Collinson writes: > As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 this > Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical. This will > mean that anyone who has explicitly declined the new contributor terms

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Am 14.06.2011 22:33, schrieb Michael Collinson: I would emphasise there is currently no need to remove data from > the live database since the license is still CC-BY-SA. I believe there is no urgency to do so until acceptances have been maximised, local issues that have a near term solution hav

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 14:49 -0400, Josh Doe wrote: > Perhaps it is trivial, but I have yet to hear of anyone working on a > script or even pseudocode as to how the "cleanup" will be performed. > > Seems like an important item to address IMHO. > -Josh According to the implementation plan, sometime

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Josh Doe
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > [1] I suspect that when obvious bot edits are stripped out, the figure will > be a lot higher, especially in America. Certainly, looking around my local > area, the only significant "non-relicensable" objects are ways edited by > someone

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Eric Marsden wrote: > Reading odbl.de, 60% of users have accepted the new contributor terms > in Europe (40% in the USA, the proportion worldwide is not shown). > There 417k users. So (extrapolating) 200k have not accepted the > new terms and 190k have accepted. > > Hopefully the decision on whethe

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Dave F.
On 15/06/2011 16:55, John Smith wrote: On 16 June 2011 01:47, Dave F. wrote: It's only as the deadline draws near that those in favour of the change are trying to put the blame on the mappers for there potentially being a conflict. I find this irritating. No, this isn't a new thing, this has p

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Eric Marsden wrote: > > compared to over 191,000 who now contribute under the new terms. > > This is disingenuous communication, > > +1. Correct me if I am wrong but I remember a statement in last SOTM saying that 90% of the new accounts are never uploading anyth

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Eric Marsden
> "mc" == Michael Collinson writes: mc> As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 mc> this Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically mc> practical. This will mean that anyone who has explicitly declined mc> the new contributor terms will no longer be a

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 June 2011 01:47, Dave F. wrote: > It's only as the deadline draws near that those in favour of the change are > trying to put the blame on the mappers for there potentially being a > conflict. I find this irritating. No, this isn't a new thing, this has pretty much existed ever since people

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Grant Slater
On 15 June 2011 14:41, Richard Weait wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Chris Jones wrote: > >> It seems a bit backward to block my new contributions just because >> nobody got around to talking to the OS folks yet... > > There have been several attempts to engage with OS, if I remember >

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Dave F.
On 15/06/2011 14:41, Richard Weait wrote: What seems backward to me is deciding to use a previously and famously "verboten" source for your edits without being perfectly clear that those edits are now permitted. Where was it pronounced it was forbidden? Under CC it was acceptable at the time o

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Chris Jones wrote: > On 15/06/11 14:41, Richard Weait wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Chris Jones wrote: >>> It seems a bit backward to block my new contributions just because >>> nobody got around to talking to the OS folks yet... >> There have been s

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Chris Jones
On 15/06/11 14:41, Richard Weait wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Chris Jones wrote: >> It seems a bit backward to block my new contributions just because >> nobody got around to talking to the OS folks yet... > There have been several attempts to engage with OS, if I remember > correctly

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 15 June 2011 14:41, Richard Weait wrote: > There have been several attempts to engage with OS, if I remember > correctly, both by LWG and by individual mappers.  They've been > resistant. There would presumably be no need to "engage with OS" if LWG was happy that the OS OpenData License was co

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Chris Jones wrote: > It seems a bit backward to block my new contributions just because > nobody got around to talking to the OS folks yet... There have been several attempts to engage with OS, if I remember correctly, both by LWG and by individual mappers. They

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Chris Jones
On 15/06/11 11:44, Andy Street wrote: > On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 22:33 +0200, Michael Collinson wrote: >> As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 this >> Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical. This will >> mean that anyone who has explicitly declined

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread NopMap
Mike Collinson wrote: > > I would emphasise there is currently no need to remove data from the > live database since the license is still CC-BY-SA. I believe there is no > urgency to do so until acceptances have been maximised, local issues > that have a near term solution have been addressed

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: "Andy Street" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 22:33 +0200, Michael Collinson wrote: As per the implementation plan [1], we

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread john whelan
I'm also very interested in this. Thanks John On 15 June 2011 06:44, Andy Street wrote: > On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 22:33 +0200, Michael Collinson wrote: > > As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 this > > Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical. This

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Andy Street
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 22:33 +0200, Michael Collinson wrote: > As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 this > Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical. This will > mean that anyone who has explicitly declined the new contributor terms > will no longer

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-14 Thread Russ Nelson
Michael Collinson writes: > As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 this > Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical. This will > mean that anyone who has explicitly declined the new contributor terms > will no longer be able to edit, (unless they

[OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-14 Thread Michael Collinson
As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 this Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical. This will mean that anyone who has explicitly declined the new contributor terms will no longer be able to edit, (unless they decide to accept). This currently