Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage dropped dramatically in Taiwan

2015-04-11 Thread maning sambale
Same case reported in the Philippines. cheers, Maning Sambale (mobile) On Apr 11, 2015 12:20 AM, "Hsiao-Ting Yu [:littlebtc]" wrote: > For mappers in Taiwan, currently the Bing imagery is the only way to draw > details in Taiwan, since only Bing has good zoom 18+ coverage in Taiwan. > > However

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage relations, in particular 1298962

2012-04-28 Thread Claudius
Am 27.04.2012 03:28, SomeoneElse: I noticed this while looking at the map here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.001059&lon=34.825519&zoom=18&layers=M The "Hires coverage of Bing imagery in the Near East" label is from the name on this relation: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage relations, in particular 1298962

2012-04-27 Thread Werner Hoch
Hi there, Am Freitag, den 27.04.2012, 02:28 +0100 schrieb SomeoneElse: > I noticed this while looking at the map here: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.001059&lon=34.825519&zoom=18&layers=M > > The "Hires coverage of Bing imagery in the Near East" label is from the > name on this relat

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage relations, in particular 1298962

2012-04-27 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Someoneelse wrote: > Regardless of the "perhaps the map shouldn't render unknown things > just because of name=blah" issue, I'd argue that metadata such as > this really doesn't belong in OSM. Agreed. OSM is not the world's sole repository of co-ordinate data, and nor should it be. This would b

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage relations, in particular 1298962

2012-04-27 Thread Bráulio
Also, one could just remove type=boundary (since it isn't really a boundary) and name=something from the relation/ways so they don't show up on any renderer. You could put a description=* tag instead or some nonstandard one. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 03:58, Stephan Knauss wrote: > On 27.04.2012 03:

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage relations, in particular 1298962

2012-04-27 Thread Stephan Knauss
On 27.04.2012 03:28, SomeoneElse wrote: The "Hires coverage of Bing imagery in the Near East" label is from the name on this relation: Regardless of the "perhaps the map shouldn't render unknown things just because of name=blah" issue, I'd argue that metadata such as this really doesn't belong in

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage relations, in particular 1298962

2012-04-26 Thread maning sambale
d then delete it. > >> -Original Message- >> From: SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] >> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:28 PM >> To: Open Street Map mailing list >> Subject: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage relations, in particular 1298962 >> >

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage relations, in particular 1298962

2012-04-26 Thread Paul Norman
If I saw one of these locally I would verify that it corresponds to nothing on the ground and then delete it. > -Original Message- > From: SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:28 PM > To: Open Street Map mailing list > Sub

[OSM-talk] Bing coverage relations, in particular 1298962

2012-04-26 Thread SomeoneElse
I noticed this while looking at the map here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.001059&lon=34.825519&zoom=18&layers=M The "Hires coverage of Bing imagery in the Near East" label is from the name on this relation: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1298962 Regardless of the "per

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-11 Thread Renaud MICHEL
On vendredi 11 février 2011 at 02:43, Toby Murray wrote : > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Dave F. wrote: > > At what zoom level to I have to be at to view an already zoomed in area > > to view dark blue (z20)? > > > > I'm trying, but still failing to see the benefit in this. > > If enough of

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-11 Thread ant
Replies to several statements in this thread. On 10.02.2011 23:50, Lennard wrote: On 10-2-2011 23:37, ant wrote: On 10.02.2011 20:25, Lennard wrote: @ant: Would it be possible to have the editors collect and report* on the available zoom levels, as users download Bing tiles while editing? Th

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-11 Thread Lennard
> I do agree that it is a lot of effort for information that Bing must > already have. *Looks at SteveC* Wouldn't be too hard to dump imagery > boundaries into a shapefile or something, would it? :) Or feed it from the editors, as I suggested before. They're already doing the hard work of fetching

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Maarten Deen
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:49:58 +, Dave F. wrote: On 09/02/2011 11:53, ant wrote: What you do mean by "inaccurate readings"? I think the map is quite accurate. http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=51.06122731915702&lon=-2.3915486787965934&zoom=9 The blank areas have hi

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 11 February 2011 02:43, Toby Murray wrote: > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Dave F. wrote: >> At what zoom level to I have to be at to view an already zoomed in area to >> view dark blue (z20)? >> >> I'm trying, but still failing to see the benefit in this. > > If enough of an area has been

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Dave F. wrote: > At what zoom level to I have to be at to view an already zoomed in area to > view dark blue (z20)? > > I'm trying, but still failing to see the benefit in this. If enough of an area has been populated, it shows at pretty low zoom levels. Hey look,

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Dermot McNally
On 11 February 2011 00:27, Dave F. wrote: > At what zoom level to I have to be at to view an already zoomed in area to > view dark blue (z20)? You could be fairly zoomed out if there are enough adjacent z20 tiles turned dark blue. But yes, it all needs a lot of eyes to be zooming into a lot of t

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Dave F.
On 11/02/2011 00:07, Dermot McNally wrote: I think the theory is that if you have already done the hard work of zooming in, the next guy won't have to because he'll see the coloured tiles at that location. if someone has to do that first to highlight the data that's already there, then I think

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Dermot McNally
On 11 February 2011 00:00, Dave F. wrote: > In order to see if an area is "super high" (z20)  I have to be actually > zoomed in on that area to zoom level 20. Therefore I can tell if it is > hi-res from the Bing imagery. > > I'm really failing to see the purpose of this product. I think the theo

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Dave F.
On 10/02/2011 23:49, Dave F. wrote: The blank areas have hi-res imagery (caveat: I have checked every tile) I *haven't* checked To follow on: http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=51.420057188094106&lon=-2.4574914579781226&zoom=20 In order to see if an area is "super high

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Dave F.
On 09/02/2011 11:53, ant wrote: Hi Dave, On 09.02.2011 12:26, Dave F. wrote: Sorry, but I'm failing to see the point in this tool. Why would someone need to "get an idea" about where hi-res is? At <14 it gives inaccurate readings, at >14 you're to far in to *get an idea*. Hope you can explain

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:37 PM, ant wrote: > On 10.02.2011 20:25, Lennard wrote: >> >> @ant: Would it be possible to have the editors collect and report* on >> the available zoom levels, as users download Bing tiles while editing? > > That's a brilliant idea, but I'm not involved in how editors h

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Lennard
On 10-2-2011 23:37, ant wrote: On 10.02.2011 20:25, Lennard wrote: @ant: Would it be possible to have the editors collect and report* on the available zoom levels, as users download Bing tiles while editing? That's a brilliant idea, but I'm not involved in how editors handle Bing maps. So the

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread ant
Hi, On 10.02.2011 20:25, Lennard wrote: @ant: Would it be possible to have the editors collect and report* on the available zoom levels, as users download Bing tiles while editing? That's a brilliant idea, but I'm not involved in how editors handle Bing maps. So the question whether they can

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Lennard
On 10-2-2011 19:03, Toby Murray wrote: I have come across a couple of seemingly immutable tiles that refuse to re-render even though higher resolution imagery is available. For example: http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=39.19008048219242&lon=-96.60511479564622&zoom=14 @an

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread ant
On 10.02.2011 19:03, Toby Murray wrote: I have come across a couple of seemingly immutable tiles that refuse to re-render even though higher resolution imagery is available. For example: http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=39.19008048219242&lon=-96.60511479564622&zoom=14 I

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-10 Thread Toby Murray
I have come across a couple of seemingly immutable tiles that refuse to re-render even though higher resolution imagery is available. For example: http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=39.19008048219242&lon=-96.60511479564622&zoom=14 Toby ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-09 Thread ant
Hi Dave, On 09.02.2011 12:26, Dave F. wrote: Sorry, but I'm failing to see the point in this tool. Why would someone need to "get an idea" about where hi-res is? At <14 it gives inaccurate readings, at >14 you're to far in to *get an idea*. Hope you can explain it to me. this map is a work i

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-09 Thread Dave F.
On 08/02/2011 23:59, ant wrote: On 09.02.2011 00:53, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: I get your point, but the single aim of this tool is to help people *get an idea* about where high resolution imagery is available. Sorry, but I'm failing to see the point in this tool. Why would someone need to

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-08 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 7:59 AM, ant wrote: > On 09.02.2011 00:53, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> >> Don't forget that because of the Mercator projection we use, a level >> 20 tile at the equator (like Singapore) shows the same spatial >> resolution as a level 19 tile at latitudes near 60 (N or S, l

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-08 Thread Jo
For me the tipping point is between 18 and 19. Over Leuven (Belgium) it goes up to 19. 5 kilometers East of Leuven it's only 18 and the difference is enormous. Then again, only a few months ago there was nothing to work from. Cheers, Jo ___ talk mailin

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-08 Thread ant
On 09.02.2011 00:53, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Don't forget that because of the Mercator projection we use, a level 20 tile at the equator (like Singapore) shows the same spatial resolution as a level 19 tile at latitudes near 60 (N or S, like Helsinki). ...so someone make a Bing resolution ma

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-08 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Don't forget that because of the Mercator projection we use, a level 20 tile at the equator (like Singapore) shows the same spatial resolution as a level 19 tile at latitudes near 60 (N or S, like Helsinki). Helsinki at level 19: http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=60.17150065552734~24.93957236409227

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-08 Thread Toby Murray
My only comment would be that the dark green kind of looks like you just turned down the opacity of the regular green layer. But it still gets the point across I suppose. The zoom levels seem reasonable to me. Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetm

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-08 Thread ant
On 08.02.2011 22:32, Stephan Knauss wrote: sounds fine, but I experience that some high resolution images look just like overzoomed lower resolution images. That's true. I gave another example. Interpolation can also be done in JOSM. I would be interested in the real image resolution. This mi

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-08 Thread Stephan Knauss
Hi ant, On 08.02.2011 21:52, ant wrote: 14-17 "high resolution" 18-19 "very high resolution" 20 "ultra high resolution" sounds fine, but I experience that some high resolution images look just like overzoomed lower resolution images. For example compare these parking lots. Both claim to be

[OSM-talk] Bing coverage - more levels

2011-02-08 Thread ant
Hi all, I've been thinking about extra colours for super hires imagery and been doing a little research. See the following list of some notable places sorted by their highest Bing zoom levels. Hamburg 20 Vienna 20 London 20 Rome20 Paris 20 Tokyo 20 Singapore 20 Montreal

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-08 Thread Toby Murray
This tool has helped me to spot a threat to life as we know it! Behold, the zombies are upon us! http://i.imgur.com/rmmQD.jpg And apparently they are hanging out over Haiti. Did I just find patient zero of the cholera outbreak? I'm sure it will re-render shortly but here is the perma link: http:

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread Jo
2011/2/7 Peter Wendorff : > Hi ant. > The tool is great, but it would be even greater to have the specific zoom > level availlable instead of "14 or more". > 14 may be a threshold of useability in many areas, but for other purposes > even 17, 18 or 19 may be the treshold (e.g. mapping of sidewalks,

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread ant
On 07.02.2011 17:36, Peter Wendorff wrote: Hi ant. The tool is great, but it would be even greater to have the specific zoom level availlable instead of "14 or more". That seems to be what most people wish to see. I'll work on that. cheers ant ___ t

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi ant. The tool is great, but it would be even greater to have the specific zoom level availlable instead of "14 or more". 14 may be a threshold of useability in many areas, but for other purposes even 17, 18 or 19 may be the treshold (e.g. mapping of sidewalks, mapping of street lanterns ;) (

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:02 AM, ant wrote: > Can you give an example of a zoom 20 region? I'd like to have a look. http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=39.294169460227224&lon=-94.71799114942492&zoom=20 ___ talk mailing list talk@ope

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/7 ant : > Can you give an example of a zoom 20 region? I'd like to have a look. http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=41.8901512469295&lon=12.492339797131855&zoom=20 cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/7 Toby Murray : > Well the jump from 13 to 14 is a pretty big milestone for aerial > imagery. You go from rough blobs to distinguishable features. So that > does make sense. > > But yeah, all of the US is just going to be solid green with this > definition. Maybe a red/yellow/green scheme? R

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread ant
On 07.02.2011 16:48, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Yes, I agree that more colours could clarify this. Currently, all areas in Italy seem to be green, where some of the ones I checked offer resolutions up to zoom 17 (not quite the very best imagery imaginable) and others up to 20 (absolutely sufficie

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread Toby Murray
Well the jump from 13 to 14 is a pretty big milestone for aerial imagery. You go from rough blobs to distinguishable features. So that does make sense. But yeah, all of the US is just going to be solid green with this definition. Maybe a red/yellow/green scheme? Red means http://lists.openstreetma

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/7 ant : >> What is your definition of "hires"? > the definition of "hires" used in this application is "imagery is available > at zoom level 14 or more". If you compare coverage areas linked to on the > wiki page, you'll see that almost all of them correspond to that definition. > > I'm awar

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread ant
Hi Toby, On 07.02.2011 16:21, Toby Murray wrote: What is your definition of "hires"? Zooming in on my city shows green where I would consider the imagery to be decent but nothing spectacular. (I think it is mostly just USGS ~1m imagery reused by Bing) the definition of "hires" used in this app

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread Toby Murray
What is your definition of "hires"? Zooming in on my city shows green where I would consider the imagery to be decent but nothing spectacular. (I think it is mostly just USGS ~1m imagery reused by Bing) Nice bit of code though. Toby On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 8:41 AM, ant wrote: > Hi, > > I have n

[OSM-talk] Bing coverage

2011-02-07 Thread ant
Hi, I have noticed mappers make various attempts to map coverage of Bing high resolution imagery. Some drawed areas around the imagery and stuffed them into relations, others created xml files etc. etc. (see the wiki page [1]) I thought that a world coverage map wasn't feasible with those meth