I said what I had on my heart, you can now make fun of me, or be respectful.
I agree, I already felt unpleasant manners around here.
Le lun. 21 déc. 2020 à 00:51, Martin Koppenhoefer
a écrit :
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> On 21. Dec 2020, at 00:05, Clay Smalley wrote:
>
> Va téléphone à la
> Le 21 déc. 2020 à 00:54, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit
> :
> France is the spearhead against discrimination and gender disparity, in case
> you missed it, the Paris administration just recently got fined for putting a
> disproportionately high number of women in management positions:
>
>
sent from a phone
> On 21. Dec 2020, at 00:05, Clay Smalley wrote:
>
> Va téléphone à la police.
France is the spearhead against discrimination and gender disparity, in case
you missed it, the Paris administration just recently got fined for putting a
disproportionately high number of
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 5:52 PM Florimond Berthoux <
florimond.berth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> La loi française contre les propos haineux s'applique à tous en France.
>
Va téléphone à la police.
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Bonjour,
J'ai cité le passage problématique.
J'ai trop souffert de phobie sociale dans ma vie pour accepter ce genre de
propos.
La loi française contre les propos haineux s'applique à tous en France.
Bien à vous.
Le ven. 18 déc. 2020 à 12:15, Martin Constantino–Bodin <
Hello,
I can read at the date of this mail (how can you sign a moving
text ??) :
«Power dynamics in OSM are controlled by a dominant
contributor profile: white, Western and male. This power
dynamic has led to a communication style which includes
Hi, so my email has been blocked by a spam filter, I have to try to sent it
again :
Le mar. 15 déc. 2020 à 23:16, Florimond Berthoux <
florimond.berth...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Hi, my email has been blocked by a spam filter, I have to resent it.
>
> I'd like to had to my email below :
>
> Je
On 2020-12-10 19:49, Yves via talk wrote:
Niels, Arnalielsewhere post wasn't about mapping, the map is used to
illustrate something.
I agree with others comments pledging for more time to be taken to
read someone else's lines.
Then I struggle to see the relevance. The whole blogpost seems to
mber 2020 19:06
> *To:* osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org ;
> talk@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* [OSM-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive
> Behavior in the OSM Community
>
> Hello everybody
> I hope you are all well
>
> We, several groups, chapters, org
: Celine Jacquin
Sent: 09 December 2020 19:06
To: osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org ;
talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [OSM-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive
Behavior in the OSM Community
Hello everybody
I hope you are all well
We, several groups, chapters, organizations
This whole thread caused me great distress on account of some messages I saw
that came across as
polarizing.
The reason I would be discouraged from joining OSM discussion right now would
be hostility and
passive aggressive bickering. And this is among people who I suppose all mean
the best for
Niels, Arnalielsewhere post wasn't about mapping, the map is used to illustrate
something.
I agree with others comments pledging for more time to be taken to read someone
else's lines.
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that happened. I am pretty sure that this is not something
systematic. I
know women not feeling this way as you because OpenStreetMap is an open and
welcoming community.
Greetings
Sören
---- Original Message ----
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Call to Take Action and Co
For a community to be resilient, resilient individuals are required. Those who
are offended by everything only contribute to lessening the resistance of the
community. Those who group by collectives only crush the first minority, the
individual. Meritocracy should be the form of government,
That document is despicable, promoting discrimination of some groups
pretending to help others.
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 13:06:45 -0600
From: Celine Jacquin
To: osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org, talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [OSM-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic
t feeling this way as you because OpenStreetMap
>> is an open and welcoming community.
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Sören
>>
>>
>> Original Message
>> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensi
My bad. This was meant to HOT mailing list [1]. Sorry.
[1]: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2020-December/015409.html
jiri
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For the ones who are interested in the whole discussion:
- talk mailing list archive:
- https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085736.html
- osmf-talk mailing list archive:
-
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2020-December/007541.html
-
en please
> point to where that happened. I am pretty sure that this is not something
> systematic. I know women not feeling this way as you because OpenStreetMap
> is an open and welcoming community.
>
> Greetings
>
> Sören
>
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> Subjec
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 6:38 AM tilmanreinecke--- via talk
wrote:
>
> > The lack of discussion by non-men is an undeniable fact.
>
> Right, this is true. Sadly true. Something I also know from Linux Communities
> and other Open Source/Open Data Communities.
>
> > The simplest explanation for
> The lack of discussion by non-men is an undeniable fact.Right, this is true. Sadly true. Something I also know from Linux Communities and other Open Source/Open Data Communities.> The simplest explanation for this is the systematic institutional hostility towards women in the OSM community.I did
@all,
I've posted a user diary about this, at
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/woodpeck/diary/395065, copied below
for your convenience.
Sorry / Bad choice of words
Posted by woodpeck on 10 December 2020 in English (English).
Hi,
I’ve recently got some flak about a
Hi Celine,
Thank you and your collaborators for taking the time to write this
document and thank you all for posting it to our community.
My greatest hope is that people will read it and really make an effort
to hear what you and others have been saying for a long time.
Hopefully, it keeps the
Hi Céline, hi all.
Like you, I'm just another participant in this list*. However, perhaps
it would be helpful to refer the existing etiquette guidelines adopted
by the OSMF ages ago: https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette .
It's clear that Frederik's original post didn't abide by all
Sorry for adding to the noise but this is important. Quote from the
document:
Changes to form part of OSMFs agenda over the coming 1-2 years:
1.
Make Working Groups and OSM activities more equitable: the
Diversity and Inclusion special committee should actively work
Considering the reaction - especially strong in the USA, and the fact
that I'm a candidate to the Board of the Openstreetmap Foundation, I
suppose I have to make a statement of my position.
In preamble, I condemn the use of sexual assault metaphor - that has no
place anywhere.
In understand
I'm noticing a pattern here in the replies to this email:
Only men have replied. This is, unfortunately, par for the course on the
OSM mailing lists. The lack of discussion by non-men is an undeniable fact.
The simplest explanation for this is the systematic institutional hostility
towards women
Hi,
when I write something on a mailing list, it is clear that I am the
author and that I have to take responsibility for what I write. If I
write bullshit, people will rightly point out my mistakes. If I offend
someone, it is clear who the offending party is.
This document that you have
Hello,
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 10:48 PM Maarten Deen wrote:
> I have been silent about this but when a document is drafted where only
> supporters will be heard, I have to speak out in Frederiks support.
> I have seen no systemic aggressive behaviour that demotivates and
> excludes participation
Celine Jacquin:
Hello everybody
I hope you are all well
I have not commented on this before because I thought it was better to just let
it pass.
It was not a very elegant email.
But it was not misogynistic.
I did not think it was offensive or dehumanizing.
Maybe Trumps words were, but that
The issue of diversity is complex. In Africa many of the locals whilst
feeling that it would be nice to have all local mappers they recognise
that the map would not be as complete without the armchair mappers.
Unfortunately when you work in technical areas often you'll see a group
build up
On 12/9/2020 2:34 PM, Maarten Deen wrote:
If you can not make an analogy then conversation and discussion is
lost and I do not see how this comment would degrade women.
Many in the world have the good fortune to live lives where the constant
threat of sexual assault is not an issue. To them,
(1)
I am strongly opposed to quota system
"Board Seat allocation for OSMF members who are women and non-cis males,
and who are citizens of Low and Middle Income Countries"
(also, note that it is "citizens of", not actually poor people, also looking at
Wikipedia
"this definition is not
I have been silent about this but when a document is drafted where only
supporters will be heard, I have to speak out in Frederiks support.
I have seen no systemic aggressive behaviour that demotivates and
excludes participation by women and minority groups in OSM or behaviour
that degrades the
Hello everybody
I hope you are all well
We, several groups, chapters, organizations and individuals, have reacted
to the conversation in the osm-talk-list (
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085692.html)
considering that it is an incident symptomatic of the problem we
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