Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-25 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 25.10.2013 um 17:42 schrieb Pieren : > Or tagging each lane as an individual carriageway. We duplicate > "highway=*" only with physical separators which is not the case here > until the individual booth. Vehicles can switch from one lane to the > next at any time. The physically divided par

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-25 Thread Johan C
Unfortunately http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editing_Standards_and_Conventions#Divided_highways is one of the most misunderstood editing standards in OSM. Originally intended to make sure that motorways and other highways would be tagged as separate ways, the 'physical separation' almost seems

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-25 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Dave F. wrote: > What shouldn't be done is tagging incorrectly to get it to > render, such as labelling a golf bunker as a beach to get it to appear > yellow. Or tagging each lane as an individual carriageway. We duplicate "highway=*" only with physical separator

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-25 Thread colliar
Am 25.10.2013 17:04, schrieb Dave F.: > On 23/10/2013 10:01, Pieren wrote: >> But I can say that tagging each lane with >> "highway=motorway" + "lanes=1" is incorrect and seems to be "tagging >> for the renderer" (just to show the toll on mapnik) > > There's nothing wrong with that. It's mapped ac

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-25 Thread Dave F.
On 23/10/2013 13:00, Martin Raifer wrote: There is another complication with this kind of lane mapping: At many motorway toll areas, not all toll booths are open all the time. Often even the allowed traffic direction through the individual booths is changed dynamically to meet asymmetric demand

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-25 Thread Dave F.
On 23/10/2013 10:01, Pieren wrote: But I can say that tagging each lane with "highway=motorway" + "lanes=1" is incorrect and seems to be "tagging for the renderer" (just to show the toll on mapnik) There's nothing wrong with that. It's mapped accurately as individual lanes & clarified with the

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-24 Thread Richard Welty
"Martin Raifer" writes: > There is another complication with this kind of lane mapping: At many > motorway toll areas, not all toll booths are open all the time. Often even > the allowed traffic direction through the individual booths is changed > dynamically to meet asymmetric demand! this

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-24 Thread Philip Barnes
Is cash precise enough? Some exits off the M6 Toll accept payment by electronic pass, cards and coins, but not notes as those exits are unmanned. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 24/10/2013 1:38 Paul Johnson wrote: I've been using payment:pikepass=yes payment:cash=no on Pikepas

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-23 Thread Paul Johnson
I've been using payment:pikepass=yes payment:cash=no on Pikepass lanes. Though I may be adding payment:kpass and payment:txtag if the turnpike authority starts cooperating with other states on this. Curious how you'd handle Colorado's turnpikes... payment:licenseplate=yes payment:cash=no? On We

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-23 Thread James Mast
Here's what I did for the Gateway Toll Plaza on the PA Turnpike (I-76): http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/40.90416/-80.49337 I know it isn't perfect, but at least it has the correct # of lanes for the toll plaza. Till we can a agree on a proper tag for "Toll Tag Only" lanes when there are st

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/23 Martin Raifer > There is another complication with this kind of lane mapping: At many > motorway toll areas, not all toll booths are open all the time. Often even > the allowed traffic direction through the individual booths is changed > dynamically to meet asymmetric demand! > while

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-23 Thread Martin Raifer
There is another complication with this kind of lane mapping: At many motorway toll areas, not all toll booths are open all the time. Often even the allowed traffic direction through the individual booths is changed dynamically to meet asymmetric demand!

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/23 Pieren > I will not reply on the question if tagging lanes is correct or not in > this example. But I can say that tagging each lane with > "highway=motorway" + "lanes=1" is incorrect and seems to be "tagging > for the renderer" (just to show the toll on mapnik) > I agree that it is

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-23 Thread Pieren
I will not reply on the question if tagging lanes is correct or not in this example. But I can say that tagging each lane with "highway=motorway" + "lanes=1" is incorrect and seems to be "tagging for the renderer" (just to show the toll on mapnik) Pieren __

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-23 Thread Norbert Wenzel
On 23.10.2013 00:32, Dave F. wrote: On 22/10/2013 22:13, Johan C wrote: It is silly. Maybe too few mappers use the Wiki. Surely this mapper didn't. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lane_assist Ignoring that they're not joined, I'm not sure what's wrong with this. Complicated & detailed, yes

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Dave F. wrote: > Lane assist tagging isn't relevant here as that's to indicate lanes to > different destinations. Here there's only one destination for each > direction. Also it would be more confusing as the lanes split & join in > different locations. > > In the

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-22 Thread Dave F.
On 22/10/2013 22:13, Johan C wrote: It is silly. Maybe too few mappers use the Wiki. Surely this mapper didn't. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lane_assist Ignoring that they're not joined, I'm not sure what's wrong with this. Complicated & detailed, yes, but not incorrect. Lane assist

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-22 Thread Johan C
It is silly. Maybe too few mappers use the Wiki. Surely this mapper didn't. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lane_assist 2013/10/22 Maarten Deen > I came across this gem: > > > > >

[OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-22 Thread Maarten Deen
I came across this gem: Is this really how we want to map toll areas? A seperate way for each lane? (forget the fact that half of them aren't even connected). I can imagine having seperate lanes for seperate payment methods, but IMHO this