Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

A lot of pharmacies in the USA serve as general merchandise stores, as well as selling prescription and nonprescription medicines, bandages, etc. The Walgreens Drugstore near my home sells food, cosmetics, toys, cell phone accessories, household tools, and many other items. -- John F.

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

W dniu 02.11.2015 16:47, Nicolás Alvarez napisał(a): It seems my message has been ignored so I'm bumping it again. This thread is called "Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0". The map style is doing the right thing with respect to pharmacies (renders most used tag). Nothing else to discuss

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

2015-11-01 10:54 GMT-03:00 : > >> El 1/11/2015, a las 9:39, Max escribió: >> >>> On 2015년 11월 01일 20:51, Richard wrote: >>> not long ago (maybe even today?) pharmacies were not only selling goods but >>> also producing many kinds of

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

Maybe it is time to start a new thread and move this over to the tagging list. > On Nov 2, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > > > > >> On 2015-11-02 13:24, Marc Gemis wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> that's the difference between explicit and implicit mapping. If

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

2015-11-02 10:34 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale : > Indeed > > So why not tag things objectively instead of discussing what things are > called in different countries? > shop=prescription_only_medicines;self_medication;pharmacy_only_medicines;household_cleaning > I've not yet

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

sent from a phone > Am 01.11.2015 um 13:01 schrieb Colin Smale : > > Is a pharmacy not the same as shop=chemist with dispensing=yes? isn't a chemist the same as a drug store? Around here there are 3 types of "shops": pharmacies, "parapharmacies" (dispensing no), drug

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

Indeed So why not tag things objectively instead of discussing what things are called in different countries? shop=prescription_only_medicines;self_medication;pharmacy_only_medicines;household_cleaning Doing it this way would of course require support for multi-valued keys (semicolons!)

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A pharmacy may open in the evenings for prescriptions only. Your example syntax with "sells:xxx" is another way of approaching it, but it has two disadvantages to my mind. Firstly, to find what the shop sells, you have to access all keys which start with "sells:". The namespace syntax (or

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

2015-11-02 11:16 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale : > The second issue is that the value part of the KVP is redundant - the > presence of the key is enough. > not if you consider values like "no" and "only". > I have an instinctive aversion to modelling multiple values (the >

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

On 2015-11-02 11:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2015-11-02 11:16 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale : > >> The second issue is that the value part of the KVP is redundant - the >> presence of the key is enough. > > not if you consider values like "no" and "only". The "no"

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

2015-11-02 11:45 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale : > On 2015-11-02 11:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > 2015-11-02 11:16 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale : > >> The second issue is that the value part of the KVP is redundant - the >> presence of the key is enough. >> >

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

I see your point Martin. So all we need now (for your example) is a documented map from shop=tobacco to a list of sells:*=* tags which are default for shop=tobacco. One would reasonably expect sells:cigarettes=yes, sells:pipe_tobacco=yes and sells:rolling_tobacco=yes, but I am not sure about

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

On 2/11/2015 10:35 PM, Colin Smale wrote: I see your point Martin. So all we need now (for your example) is a documented map from shop=tobacco to a list of sells:*=* tags which are default for shop=tobacco. One would reasonably expect sells:cigarettes=yes, sells:pipe_tobacco=yes and

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

sent from a phone > Am 02.11.2015 um 12:57 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > Once that is up and running .. people will then want to have the brand of > cigarette/snuff/tobacco .. as they only like one brand... > so > shop=tobacco > cigarettes=death;slow_burn >

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looks like you have "sells:toys=yes" there... If we don't agree on some kind of framework for this up front, tagging chaos will fill the vacuum anyway. This is the normal state of affairs. Net result is that data quality goes down, like a kid's painting set which ultimately ends up with 24

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

Was there maybe a smiley missing? I suspect your suggestions may be felt to be too detailed. However if people feel the need to tag the individual products under the product categories, the framework is there and OSM is a welcoming, inclusive broad church with no limits on people's creativity

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sent from a phone > Am 02.11.2015 um 12:35 schrieb Colin Smale : > > Back to our chemists/drugstores/pharmacies, ... > > The "art" is going to be choosing these product categories so they are a) not > so specific that the list gets too long and unwieldy and b) not too

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

> > > that's the difference between explicit and implicit mapping. If you are > explicit, you know that it should be like that, if you rely on the absence > of information / tags you might fall on your nose because the data wasn't > complete etc. > For some stuff it might sense to use the "no" to

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

On Mon Nov 2 09:13:39 2015 GMT, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > Am 01.11.2015 um 13:01 schrieb Colin Smale : > > > > Is a pharmacy not the same as shop=chemist with dispensing=yes? > > > isn't a chemist the same as a drug store? Around here

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

On 2015-11-02 13:24, Marc Gemis wrote: >> that's the difference between explicit and implicit mapping. If you are >> explicit, you know that it should be like that, if you rely on the absence >> of information / tags you might fall on your nose because the data wasn't >> complete etc. >>

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

Hi, Am 31.10.2015 um 14:32 schrieb Greg Troxel: > I haven't seen the underlying data on tag frequency > brought into the debate; arguably that should be the core of the > discussion. the underlying tag frequency is pretty clear. According to taginfo [1] 148 065 amenity 226 shop 132

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license and is AFAIK the only suitable candidate. https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto Is the place to post issues. I could do that but wanted your input for anything font related. m. Forwarded Message Subject: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0 Date

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Is a pharmacy not the same as shop=chemist with dispensing=yes? To my mind it sounds like it. If there is a distinction, isn't it getting a bit academic? On 2015-11-01 12:51, Richard wrote: > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 09:01:04AM +1100, Warin wrote: On 31/10/2015 8:10 AM, > Matthijs Melissen

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

On 2015년 11월 01일 20:51, Richard wrote: > not long ago (maybe even today?) pharmacies were not only selling goods but > also producing many kinds of ointments and possibly other things as ordered > by the prescribing physician. > > So "shop" would be a too narrow definition. With that argument

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

> El 30/10/2015, a las 19:01, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> escribió: > >> On 31/10/2015 8:10 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: >>> On 30 October 2015 at 22:01, Matthijs Melissen >>> wrote: >>> - shop=pharmacy (use office=pharmacy) >> This should be amenity=pharmacy

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

> El 1/11/2015, a las 9:39, Max escribió: > >> On 2015년 11월 01일 20:51, Richard wrote: >> not long ago (maybe even today?) pharmacies were not only selling goods but >> also producing many kinds of ointments and possibly other things as ordered >> by the prescribing

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

On 01/11/15 12:39, Max wrote: >> not long ago (maybe even today?) pharmacies were not only selling goods but >> > also producing many kinds of ointments and possibly other things as >> > ordered >> > by the prescribing physician. >> > >> > So "shop" would be a too narrow definition. > With

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

Richard wrote: > Matthijs Melissen wrote: > > Today, v2.36.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet has > > been released and rolled out to the openstreetmap.org > > servers. It might still take a couple of days before all tiles > > show the new rendering. > > Congratulations to all involved -

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OpenStreetMap Blog https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2015/10/30/openstreetmap-org-map-changing/ Dennis -- Forwarded message -- From: Matthijs Melissen <i...@matthijsmelissen.nl> Date: Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 5:01 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

On 2015년 10월 31일 06:01, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > * Dropped rendering of the following tags: > - amenity=car_sharing (not relevant for the general public) I disagree. Car sharing stations are a vital part of mobility infrastructure and as more and more people in densely populated places decide

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

Just noticed it's starting to roll across the Big Empty now. http://imgur.com/a/od9sr On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > Dear all, > > Today, v2.36.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet has been > released and rolled out to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

sent from a phone > Am 31.10.2015 um 00:22 schrieb Philip Barnes : > > Pharmacists don't technically sell medicines they dispense it and sometimes > collect a flat rate fee, if you are of working age and live in England. > > They do sell some stuff as well, but so do

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

W dniu 31.10.2015 9:45, Max napisał(a): On 2015년 10월 31일 06:01, Matthijs Melissen wrote: * Dropped rendering of the following tags: - amenity=car_sharing (not relevant for the general public) I disagree. Car sharing stations are a vital part of mobility infrastructure and as more and more

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

Nice work, looking really good. In "empty quarters", it does make for difficult-to-spot tertiary roads, e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/-18.7409/-65.9396 But let's not force osm-carto to do everything. There's always umap to play around with different styles and overpass-turbo to

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

sent from a phone > Am 31.10.2015 um 14:32 schrieb Greg Troxel : > > It's quite different in the US. Besides paying for prescription > medication (often with insurance, but still) a place called a pharmacy > will have a variety of non-prescription medication and various >

[OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

Dear all, Today, v2.36.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet has been released and rolled out to the openstreetmap.org servers. It might still take a couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include: * Major rewrite of road and railway rendering, as part of Mateusz

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-- Forwarded message -- From: Matthijs Melissen <i...@matthijsmelissen.nl> Date: Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:01 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0 To: OpenStreetMap <t...@openstreetmap.org>, osm-dev List < d...@openstreetmap.org> Dear al

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

On 31/10/2015 8:10 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 30 October 2015 at 22:01, Matthijs Melissen wrote: - shop=pharmacy (use office=pharmacy) This should be amenity=pharmacy instead of office=pharmacy, of course. No. In a perfect world it should be

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

On 30 October 2015 at 22:01, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > - shop=pharmacy (use office=pharmacy) This should be amenity=pharmacy instead of office=pharmacy, of course. -- Matthijs ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

On Fri Oct 30 22:01:04 2015 GMT, Warin wrote: > On 31/10/2015 8:10 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > > On 30 October 2015 at 22:01, Matthijs Melissen > > wrote: > >>- shop=pharmacy (use office=pharmacy) > > This should be amenity=pharmacy instead of office=pharmacy, of

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

On 30/10/15 21:01, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > * Major rewrite of road and railway rendering, as part of Mateusz > Konieczny's Google Summer of Code project. See BUGGER I still haven’t got the backup system working and now all my UK stuff is screwed up :( This really does not work! -- Lester

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:01 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0 Dear all, Today, v2.36.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet has been released and rolled out to the openstreetmap.org servers. It might still take a couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include: * Major r

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g and colors. Please see the following > announcement for details. > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Matthijs Melissen <i...@matthijsmelissen.nl> > Date: Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 5:01 AM > Subject: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

Matthijs Melissen wrote: > Today, v2.36.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet has > been released and rolled out to the openstreetmap.org > servers. It might still take a couple of days before all tiles > show the new rendering. Congratulations to all involved - real dedication to the cause