Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

The iD editor team has made a tremendous job so far, and it's probably because some people working together tightly have come up with good ideas, and this is good. However, when such an idea become controversial, it would be good practice  to reach out openly with the wider community and other

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

Martin, thanks for explanation, but my point still stands -- in tags, we treat words not at their own meaning, but as IDs that represent some agreed concepts. The German wiki page has a warning about "evangelical", so it is likely not all German-speaking mappers are aware of the distinction, or

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

Am 07.04.2019 um 18:12 schrieb Clifford Snow: >  The original post on talk-de really seemed to be complaining that the > development staff is paid. Maybe what we should be asking is "Should > OSMF fund development of tools?"  I think that isn't really a correct interpretation of the original

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

sent from a phone > On 7. Apr 2019, at 22:23, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > > A good example is "denomination=evangelical" -- German speakers should not > use it for "evangelisch" which stands for denomination=protestant. The word > may be the same, but we treat "evangelical" as an ID for a

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

sent from a phone > On 7. Apr 2019, at 21:08, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Now while everybody is free to use any tag she likes, I would not >> expect the OpenStreetMap-Foundation standard editor to >> introduce new tags through presets. > > It's been

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

This is good we have a quality control mechanism even if it is a blunt instrument, and we think the risk is low on the TRA side. Thank you for your input. Cheerio John On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 at 19:07, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 07/04/2019 23:37, john whelan wrote: > > > Developing an editor

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

On 07/04/2019 23:37, john whelan wrote: > Developing an editor requires making decisions and having opinions on OSM tagging. This in turn means getting it wrong sometimes. ... With something like iD spoon feeding new mappers with suggested presets the impact is much greater if something isn't

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

> Developing an editor requires making decisions and having opinions on OSM tagging. This in turn means getting it wrong sometimes. There is a concept of Threat Risk Assessment which more or less says to manage risk you take into account the impact if it goes wrong. If we have individual mappers

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

JOSM has also done the same, and gone farther with creating new tags on its issue tracker.Developing an editor requires making decisions and having opinions on OSM tagging. This in turn means getting it wrong sometimes.On Apr 7, 2019 5:43 AM, John Whelan wrote: I note that the matter has been

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

Apr 7, 2019, 2:43 PM by jwhelan0...@gmail.com : > I suspect ID is a much more closed environment.  > (...) > > Thoughts ladies and gentlemen? > Have you tried opening issue on iD bugtracker? See https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 1:48 PM john whelan wrote: > Tagging is not always easy, highways in Africa are an example. See a dirt > track in Europe and its probably a highway=track. In Africa it probably > isn't. > A "road is a highway" is confusing because the word "highway" has a different

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Now while everybody is free to use any tag she likes, I would not > expect the OpenStreetMap-Foundation standard editor to > introduce new tags through presets. It's been happening since Potlatch 1 came online in 2007, so you should have had a few years to get used

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

and I think this is precisely my concern. Tagging is not always easy, highways in Africa are an example. See a dirt track in Europe and its probably a highway=track. In Africa it probably isn't. Cheerio John On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 at 11:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > >

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

>John - did you look at Github issue 2776 [1] that discussed Semi-Detached? I've never tagged a semi-detached house, but iD offers it as a preset. I don't normally use iD but you must explain to me where iD offers it as a preset since I was unable to spot it. Stats Canada's project to map

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07, sk, 19:06 Bryce Jasmer rašė: > The wiki page for landuse=reservoir says: > "Description: Ambiguous and better alternatives exist, see water=reservoir" > So, is iD wrong to use this, or is the wiki incorrect? Wiki is incorrect. Even "creator" of "everything blue is natural=water"

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 5:44 AM John Whelan wrote: > I note that the matter has been raised in talk-de and mentioned in osm > weekly. > > Tagging is not always easy, but I do have concerns when iD is so commonly > used but the recommended tags do not align with OpenStreetMap I'll say > normals. >

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

The wiki page for landuse=reservoir says: "Description: Ambiguous and better alternatives exist, see water=reservoir" So, is iD wrong to use this, or is the wiki incorrect? On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 8:24 AM Tomas Straupis wrote: > 2019-04-07, sk, 17:47 Bryce Jasmer rašė: > > Can you give some

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

sent from a phone > On 7. Apr 2019, at 16:44, Bryce Jasmer wrote: > > Can you give some examples of what the OSM normals are and how iD differs > from them? from time to time the iD developers don’t like the established tagging and prefer to make iD tagging presets for new tags which they

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07, sk, 17:47 Bryce Jasmer rašė: > Can you give some examples of what the OSM normals are and how iD differs > from them? There is no way (other than writing tags directly) to tag reservoirs as landuse=reservoir (original and still wider used water tagging scheme), iD insists on

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

Can you give some examples of what the OSM normals are and how iD differs from them? Is there a bug against iD not showing semi-detached house? Can you provide the link(s) to the bug(s) so we can read what the discussion/rationale is for not showing it? As for a building tool, is there any

[OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

I note that the matter has been raised in talk-de and mentioned in osm weekly. Tagging is not always easy, but I do have concerns when iD is so commonly used but the recommended tags do not align with OpenStreetMap I'll say normals. Specifically one of my concerns is a semi-detached house