Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-20 Thread stevea
On Apr 20, 2020, at 2:02 AM, Jiri Vlasak wrote: > +1. I feel that "contributors" should stay in the credit. +1 here, as well. I correctly and not with excessive overt pride sit up a bit straighter and feel a sense of community, satisfaction and even dignity every time I see "contributors" in

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-20 Thread Jiri Vlasak
On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 11:47:59AM -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Since cc-by-sa 2.0 times, the suggestion to credit OSM was "© > > OpenStreetMap contributors", but from the current legal situation > > (all necessary rights granted to the OSMF) it wouldn't be >

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 17. Apr. 2020 um 20:50 Uhr schrieb Richard Fairhurst < rich...@systemed.net>: > "contributors" because I wanted to communicate the nature of the project: > this is an open map with (plural) contributors. Contrast with the > attribution for other map data suppliers which just have a

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Since cc-by-sa 2.0 times, the suggestion to credit OSM was "© > OpenStreetMap contributors", but from the current legal situation > (all necessary rights granted to the OSMF) it wouldn't be > necessary to credit the contributors. When I wrote the /copyright page all

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Mario Frasca
On 17/04/2020 11:27, Kathleen Lu wrote: The correct attribution legally speaking is just to OpenStreetMap, no © symbol. That's because OSMF is sublicensing any copyright rights and licensing any database rights together under the ODbL,.The © is also leftover from CC-BY-SA days. maybe the ©

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Mario Frasca
On 17/04/2020 11:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: you’re Italian, you might be more familiar with diritto d’autore, which is not exactly the same as copyright I was born in Naples, and I have an Italian passport, but I might be more familiar with the Dutch terms.  anyhow, my difficulties are more

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Kathleen Lu via talk
Per the contributor agreement, the copyright remains with the contributors (to the extent their individual contributions were copyrightable), to license their rights to OSMF with a right to sublicense, but the database rights belong to OSMF, because OSMF is the only entity that "collected" the

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> On 17. Apr 2020, at 16:47, Mario Frasca wrote: > somehow I keep finding your parenthesized explanations confusing. if you're > right in your out-of-parentheses statement, I would probably reconsider my > position as contributor. I guess there might be a confusion

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Mario Frasca
Hi, maybe I'm not reading too attentively, but what I understand is that the contract is about licensing, while the copyright on what the contract calls 'Your Contents' stays mine. that is what I thought when I wrote: if you say that "© OpenStreetMap" is the same as "© OpenStreetMap

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 17. Apr. 2020 um 15:37 Uhr schrieb Mario Frasca : > but if you argue that OpenStreetMap is owned by OpenStreetMapFoundation > and that "© OpenStreetMap" means "© OpenStreetMapFoundation", then I'd > rather stick to the current situation, where it's very clear that the > copyright belongs

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 17.04.20 15:33, Mario Frasca wrote: > On 17/04/2020 04:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> What about removing [the trailing "contributors" from the © >> attribution], so that the required credit becomes "© OpenStreetMap" >> (it could also be © OpenStreetMapFoundation, but maybe "© >>

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Mario Frasca
On 17/04/2020 04:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: What about removing [the trailing "contributors" from the © attribution], so that the required credit becomes "© OpenStreetMap" (it could also be © OpenStreetMapFoundation, but maybe "© OpenStreetMap" would be sufficient, given that OpenStreetMap

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Alessandro Sarretta
On 17/04/20 13:20, Christoph Hormann wrote: Independent of what the OSMF suggests in the future - i would probably continue attributing "OpenStreetMap contributors" where feasible to clarify that i am crediting the contributors and not the OSMF. Simply put in these terms, I don't see how "©

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Friday 17 April 2020, Simon Poole wrote: > > With the exception of imported datasources that are not > re-licensable, you do realise though that the actual licensor of the > data -is- the OSMF? And that attributing "OpenstreetMap contributors" > is at best a sentimental relict (nothing against

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Simon Poole
Am 17.04.2020 um 13:20 schrieb Christoph Hormann: > ... > Independent of what the OSMF suggests in the future - i would probably > continue attributing "OpenStreetMap contributors" where feasible to > clarify that i am crediting the contributors and not the OSMF. With the exception of imported

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Friday 17 April 2020, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > What about removing this, so that the required credit becomes "© > OpenStreetMap" (it could also be © OpenStreetMapFoundation, but maybe > "© OpenStreetMap" would be sufficient, given that OpenStreetMap is a > brand owned by the

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 17.04.20 11:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > What about removing this, so that the required credit becomes "© > OpenStreetMap" Yes, crediting © OpenStreetMap with the appropriate link would be a good solution. Aside from being more concise, it's a lot less awkward in a non-English or