Re: [talk-au] DEA Hotspots map - no attribution?

2019-12-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks fellas!

You're not wrong it's hard to see, especially when said little icon is
sitting over pale grey land!

On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 at 15:46, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

>
>
> Probably want to change the standard letter to point out that the
> attribution should not be behind a button – needs to be in full view.
>

Is that a requirement for our attribution, Phil?

So we should contact them about it?

Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] DEA Hotspots map - no attribution?

2019-12-29 Thread Phil Wyatt
Bottom left corner behind some symbol that you need to click on…and you can 
barely see!

 



 

This is what I put in my standard letter (including the code required)

 

Probably want to change the standard letter to point out that the attribution 
should not be behind a button – needs to be in full view.

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: Graeme Fitzpatrick  
Sent: Monday, 30 December 2019 4:35 PM
To: OSM-Au 
Subject: [talk-au] DEA Hotspots map - no attribution?

 

Hi

 

Just saw the new DEA / GA hotspots map for the first time.

 

One of the map layers you can choose is OSM, but it doesn't appear to have any 
attribution on it?

 

Could somebody please check & confirm?




Thanks

 

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Re: [talk-au] DEA Hotspots map - no attribution?

2019-12-29 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
Hi Graeme,

There is a little (i) information icon next to the scale in the bottom left
corner that can be clicked for Attributions but it's hard to see because of
the color scheme when you switch the base map to OSM.


On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 4:36 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

> Hi
>
> Just saw the new DEA / GA hotspots map for the first time.
>
> One of the map layers you can choose is OSM, but it doesn't appear to have
> any attribution on it?
>
> Could somebody please check & confirm?
>
> Thanks
>
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[talk-au] DEA Hotspots map - no attribution?

2019-12-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Hi

Just saw the new DEA / GA hotspots map for the first time.

One of the map layers you can choose is OSM, but it doesn't appear to have
any attribution on it?

Could somebody please check & confirm?

Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] parking and bike lane

2019-12-29 Thread Andrew Harvey
The default for non-highways roads is bicycle=yes so even without any cycle
tags the router should still take you though it, but that's a routing
decision.

Omitting bicycle infrastructure tags from the roundabout helps let you know
that you need to merge with traffic to go though the roundabout.

On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 at 08:04, Sebastian S.  wrote:

> I agree that if there is nothing marked, however my question was rather
> from a continuity point of view.
> The roads into and out of the round about have cycle lanes. The cyclist
> needs to merge with the road traffic to pass through.
> Should the roundabout have cycle=designated or yes to ensure routing goes
> through it?
>
>
> On 30 December 2019 6:56:31 am AEDT, Andrew Harvey <
> andrew.harv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If there's nothing marked on the road in the roundabout, then you can
>> just omit the cycle lane tag from the roundabout.
>>
>> On Sun., 29 Dec. 2019, 2:21 pm Graeme Fitzpatrick, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Graeme
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 at 16:52, David Wales 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I prefer to use separate ways for separate foot paths.

>>>
>>> As do I.
>>>
>>>
 On 28 December 2019 3:02:30 pm AEDT, Sebastian Spiess <
 mapp...@consebt.de> wrote:
>
>
> I do welcome comments. In particular regarding how to go about the
> cycle way and the roundabout.
>

>>> Looks OK to me, but I've also wondered how bike lanes are supposed to
>>> work through roundabouts, when there's nothing marked on the road?
>>>
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Re: [talk-au] Question re tagging unpaved vs paved roads

2019-12-29 Thread Bob Cameron

Okay thanks all.

Surprisingly the Snowy Mountains Hwy between Dalgety and (almost) 
Bombala NSW had 3 unpaved sections near the wind turbine ridge. It has 
all been fully paved through for more than 3 years.


As I drive I use an OSM based map set on my Garmin GPS to route sealed 
only, so I can discover these map errors. (Garmin doesn't display paved 
vs not)


Bob

On 30/12/19 11:14 am, cleary wrote:

If you just delete the tag, someone might interpret it as an accidental 
deletion.  A changed tag is clearly a deliberate decision based on new 
information.




On Sun, 29 Dec 2019, at 8:52 AM, Bob Cameron wrote:

Hi

The tagging guidelines don't quite seem to over this. I'd like to do it
correctly.

When a road is unpaved we use the surface=unpaved tag, the default (no
tag) being paved.

When an unpaved road is (roadwork) paved, should the tag be deleted or
changed to paved?

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Re: [talk-au] Question re tagging unpaved vs paved roads

2019-12-29 Thread cleary

If you just delete the tag, someone might interpret it as an accidental 
deletion.  A changed tag is clearly a deliberate decision based on new 
information.




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> 
> The tagging guidelines don't quite seem to over this. I'd like to do it 
> correctly.
> 
> When a road is unpaved we use the surface=unpaved tag, the default (no 
> tag) being paved.
> 
> When an unpaved road is (roadwork) paved, should the tag be deleted or 
> changed to paved?
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] heure d'ouverture dépassant 255 caractères

2019-12-29 Thread Philippe Verdy
pour les descriptions lourdes ne tenant pas dans un tag, ce serait bien
d'avoir dans OSM une base annexe pouvant stocker du JSON avec une URL de
schéma pour les données. Ces fichiers seraient en vrac avec un ID unique,
comme les autres objets OSM, sauf qu'ils n'ont pas de géométrie et sont
référencés par un type spécifique de tag OSM, un "jtag" comme
""="json:" (et non n'importe quelle URL sur un serveur externe),
ou "clé=id" avec un flag JSON indiquant que la donnée "" n'est pas
brute mais référence un objet JSON, ou bien une liste de "jtags" séparés.

Ces JSON feraient partie de la base de données, stockés dans le hstore, et
sans contrainte de longueur sur leur contenu, mais quand même une structure
JSON évitant les analyseurs syntaxiques abscons.
Pourquoi JSON et non XML: pour des raisons de performance et plus facile à
sécuriser (sinon il faudrait du XML basique, sans référence externe ni DTD).

Problème: ce nouveau type d'objet demanderait une mise à jour du schéma OSM
pour un nouveau type d'objet (qui n'est ni un node, ni un way, ni une
relation, ni un changeset, ni un membre de relation.

D'autres métadonnées manquent dans OSM et sont encore mélangés aux tags. On
en a sorti un certain nombre en les déplaçant vers des tags de changesets.

On a sinon les références Wikidata qui peuvent aussi contenir ces
métadonnées. Wikidata étant de plus en plus utilisé conjointement à la base
OSM.

Le dim. 29 déc. 2019 à 22:16, marc marc  a
écrit :

> quand c'est trop tordu ou trop long, on peux aussi se limiter à
> opening_hours:url
> ok les très rare outils affichant que le poi est "ouvert en ce moment"
> ne le feront plus, mais vu qu'en plus la majorité des outils n'arrivent
> pas à lire l'ensemble des specs, au moins l'humain qui veux savoir
> trouvera une version humainement plus lisible
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Re: [talk-au] Question re tagging unpaved vs paved roads

2019-12-29 Thread Warin

On 29/12/19 19:52, Bob Cameron wrote:

Hi

The tagging guidelines don't quite seem to over this. I'd like to do 
it correctly.


When a road is unpaved we use the surface=unpaved tag, the default (no 
tag) being paved.


When an unpaved road is (roadwork) paved, should the tag be deleted or 
changed to paved?


Changed to 'paved', not deleted. And only the section that is paved 
should be tagged paved, not the other parts that remain unpaved.


If the paving is going to be removed .. then I simply don't bother.
If the paving is going to be unmaintained and deteriorate .. then I'd 
still mark it paved .. and later on unpaved.




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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSMOSE : Intégration de support radio pas encore en service

2019-12-29 Thread Philippe Verdy
S'il est physiquement présent (mat ou pylone) pas de raison de ne pas le
mettre, surtout que le support est souvent fait pour porter plusieurs
antennes de réseaux public ou privés.

Que les opérateurs le mette en service ou pas sur leur réseau commercial,
ça peut mettre pas mal de temps mais il y a souvent déjà un émetteur de
test/calibrage/mesure avant de monter la puissance, pour vérifier l'absence
de brouillage des antennes voisines ou régler orientations et les masques.

L'ouverture commerciale des antennes est quelque chose qui bouge souvent,
de même que leur puissance, fréquences réellement utilisées, les protocoles
supportés.

Les supports antenne en revanche bougent peu et servent à des tas de
choses, les opérateurs (et utilisateurs de réseaux privés) ne cessant de
chercher à optimiser leur réseau selon l'usage et la capacité supportée et
peuvent passer d'un support à l'autre. L'ANFR ne mentionne que les
autorisations de fréquence et puissance, mais regroupe ces autorisations au
même support, mais n'autorise pas les supports eux-mêmes (là c'est du
ressort des mairies, pour les permis de construire et des propriétaires de
terrains ou bâtiments, avec plus d'interlocuteurs comme les préfectures et
agences publiques de protection si l'ouvrage dépasse une certaine hauteur
et sort des normes locales d'urbanisme et de sécurité).

Donc peu importe qu'une antenne émette ou pas ou soit ouverte
commercialement, on les tague simplement pour leur présence physique.

C'est comme pour un bâtiment: utilisé ou pas, on le trace d'après ses
caractéristiques architecturales, même s'il est inoccupé ou sa destination
change (résidence, commerce, service privé ou public, activité industrielle
ou agricole, culture et conservation historique...)


Le dim. 29 déc. 2019 à 20:11, Yves P.  a écrit :

> Bonsoir,
>
> En intégrant un support d’antenne avec Osmose, j’ai constaté qu’il n’était
> pas visible dans Cartoradio.
> C’est en fait un émetteur pas encore en service. (Dans Cartoradio, il faut
> sélectionner "Toutes les stations » pour le voir)
>
>
> http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/error/b7782955-a9e0-6479-0ffb-b7517a681c8b
>
> https://www.cartoradio.fr/index.html#/cartographie/lonlat/-61.0337639/16.3242967
>
> Faut-il l’intégrer, et donc le proposer dans Osmose ?
> Il me semble que les projets ne sont parfois pas réalisés ?
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Which paths are shown on this OS 'Standard' render

2019-12-29 Thread Martin Wynne

On 29/12/2019 22:23, Andy Townsend wrote:

Looking elsewhere in a couple of areas I'm familiar with, as well as 
missing data, there are plenty of of basic digitisation errors around, 
e.g. gardens seeming to be significantly larger then they should be. 
This is, I guess, only the free version - maybe there's a parallel 
complete version for paying customers?


Hi Andy,

No there isn't - I'm a Premium subscriber.

The "Standard" base map is rubbish as a map in its own right. For 
example it has contour lines, but no height indications on them, or even 
which direction is uphill. What's the use of that? It is used as a base 
map for other coloured overlays in addition to the Street map, such as 
the National Park Paths, Cycle Map, Greenspace maps. None of which work 
very well.


On mobile devices there is also a low-brightness Night map which is useful.

However, the Aerial, 25K and 50K maps are fine -- and the 3D stuff and 
fly-over functions are great.


The main reason for subscribing however, is the ability to view a large 
database of routes, create your own custom routes to add to it (or not), 
and have an easy URL of your route which you can send to friends.


cheers,

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Re: [Talk-GB] Which paths are shown on this OS 'Standard' render

2019-12-29 Thread Andy Townsend

On 29/12/2019 16:43, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

OS have digitised all paths in National Parks and appear to be 
gradually digitising

others. But certainly they haven't done the full set of PROWs yet.



Interestingly, just up the road from my previous example is 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/759440934 .  That's clearly signed as 
a public footpath, it's well within the national park (see 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/759440934#map=15/54.4519/-1.0957 ), 
but it's not shown at 
https://osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/54.44738,-1.08281,18 .  Maybe 
they've only  done the national parks that London-based journos are 
likely to visit? :)


Looking elsewhere in a couple of areas I'm familiar with, as well as 
missing data, there are plenty of of basic digitisation errors around, 
e.g. gardens seeming to be significantly larger then they should be.  
This is, I guess, only the free version - maybe there's a parallel 
complete version for paying customers?  (a bit like the story repeated 
about the Soviet Union during the Cold War - "they may only be shipping 
Ladas over here, but their military technology is equivalent to ours").  
To check this I did try registering for a free trial to view "National 
Park Pathways", but got the message "We're sorry, we're experiencing 
some technical difficulties at the moment. The OS Maps team are working 
hard to fix the issue".


Best Regards,

Andy



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[Talk-de] weeklyOSM #492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread weeklyteam
Die Wochennotiz Ausgabe Nr. # 492, ist nun verfügbar - 
 wie immer mit vielen Nachrichten aus dem OSM-Universium:

 http://www.weeklyosm.eu/de/archives/12676/

 Viel Spaß beim Lesen.  

 Euer Wochennotizteam
 
 Wusstet ihr, dass ihr auch selbst Meldungen für die Wochennotiz
 einreichen könnt? Einfach auf https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/ 
 mit eurem OSM-Benutzerkonto anmelden und dann den Gastzugang benutzen. 

 weeklyOSM? 
 who: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
 where?: 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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Re: [Talk-at] Userdaten Löschen

2019-12-29 Thread ScubbX
Danke für die Infos!

Ich habe den User auf die talk-at Liste und die support@ eMail Adresse
hingewiesen.

lg, Markus (ScubbX)


Am 29.12.19 um 10:11 schrieb Johann Haag:
> Als Alternative bietet sich auch eine Übergabe des Accounts an einen
> anderen User an.
> Gerne stelle ich mich hierzu zur Verfügung.
> Einfach die Zugangsdaten an mich senden, ich kümmere mich um die
> Anonymisierung und gliedere die Edits dann in meine Sammlung ein
> https://openstreetmap.home.blog/2019/07/22/meine-mitwirkung-in-osm-im-ueberblick/
>  
> bei möglichen künftigen Änderungen bei den OSM Lizenzbedingungen
> kümmere ich mich dann selbstverständlich um die dann notwendigen
> Freigaben.
>
> Meine Mail Adresse: johannh...@hxg.at 
> Lg Johann Haag
>
>> Am 28.12.2019 um 23:19 schrieb scubbx > >:
>>
>> Hallo!
>>
>> Ich/Wir haben eine Unterstützungsanfrage von einem User erhalten, der
>> nach DSGVO sein Konto und alle seine persönlichen Daten gelöscht haben
>> möchte.
>>
>> Da ich selber damit noch nichts zu tun hatte, frage ich mich, wie das
>> OpenStreetMap handhabt. Weiß jemand mehr dazu, bzw wie man die Löschung
>> seiner persönlichen Daten erreicht?
>> (ich gehe davon aus, dass der User NICHT von seinen Edits spricht)
>>
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Re: [Talk-at] Userdaten Löschen

2019-12-29 Thread Kevin Kofler
Johann Haag wrote:
> Als Alternative bietet sich auch eine Übergabe des Accounts an einen
> anderen User an. Gerne stelle ich mich hierzu zur Verfügung.
[…]
>  bei möglichen künftigen Änderungen bei den OSM Lizenzbedingungen kümmere
> ich mich dann selbstverständlich um die dann notwendigen Freigaben.

Meines Wissens (als nicht-Jurist!) nach ist das leider nicht mit dem 
österreichischen Urheberrecht vereinbar. So weit ich weiß, sind 
Urheberrechte in Österreich nicht übertragbar (außer im Todesfall). Die 
Nutzungsrechte können zwar per Vertrag übertragen werden (und genau das 
passiert auch, wenn man Daten in die OSM hochlädt), aber du darfst nicht 
einfach so tun, als wärst du der Urheber, und ohne eine entsprechende 
Vollmacht eigenmächtig die Lizenz ändern.

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Re: [OSM-talk] is OSM a fake map.

2019-12-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny



29 Dec 2019, 21:46 by talk@openstreetmap.org:

> i am talking about in my own back yard,
>  
>
Have you tried what was proposed in

"In your specific case you should engage with the mapper(s) in question via 
changeset comments and try to explain the situation to them. If that doesn't 
work out, you can approach the DWG (d...@osmfoundation.org) and ask them to 
have a look at the situation. If necessary they will intervene and try to 
resolve the issues."

?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] heure d'ouverture dépassant 255 caractères

2019-12-29 Thread marc marc
quand c'est trop tordu ou trop long, on peux aussi se limiter à
opening_hours:url
ok les très rare outils affichant que le poi est "ouvert en ce moment"
ne le feront plus, mais vu qu'en plus la majorité des outils n'arrivent
pas à lire l'ensemble des specs, au moins l'humain qui veux savoir
trouvera une version humainement plus lisible
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Re: [talk-au] parking and bike lane

2019-12-29 Thread Sebastian S.
I agree that if there is nothing marked, however my question was rather from a 
continuity point of view.
The roads into and out of the round about have cycle lanes. The cyclist needs 
to merge with the road traffic to pass through.
Should the roundabout have cycle=designated or yes to ensure routing goes 
through it?


On 30 December 2019 6:56:31 am AEDT, Andrew Harvey  
wrote:
>If there's nothing marked on the road in the roundabout, then you can
>just
>omit the cycle lane tag from the roundabout.
>
>On Sun., 29 Dec. 2019, 2:21 pm Graeme Fitzpatrick,
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 at 16:52, David Wales 
>wrote:
>>
>>> I prefer to use separate ways for separate foot paths.
>>>
>>
>> As do I.
>>
>>
>>> On 28 December 2019 3:02:30 pm AEDT, Sebastian Spiess
>
>>> wrote:


 I do welcome comments. In particular regarding how to go about the
>cycle
 way and the roundabout.

>>>
>> Looks OK to me, but I've also wondered how bike lanes are supposed to
>work
>> through roundabouts, when there's nothing marked on the road?
>>
>>   Thanks
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] is OSM a fake map.

2019-12-29 Thread stevea
OSM is not a "fake map."  OSM is a crowdsourced map, pretty good in many 
places, even excellent in others.  Does it have errors?  Yes, as do all maps.  
Do these errors diminish and does the map improve over time?  For the most 
part, yes, unlike many maps.

If you don't like OSM or find it doesn't suit your purposes, you do have the 
option of not using it.  If you find errors in the map and you are able to 
correct them, the people in this project certainly appreciate that, so please 
feel free to do so if you find yourself so inclined.

If you wish to criticize the map without being constructive about it, you may 
not find many helpful or sympathetic people here, as unconstructive criticism 
is not especially helpful.  It is not the case that "all mappers are tracing."  
Some do, yes, but others "walk, bike, ride a train, trace-via-GPS" and enter 
these data into OSM, certainly in places where there is tree cover that 
prevents aerial / satellite imagery from displaying what is underneath it that 
might be interesting and correct to map.  This enters "better" data (than 
tracing something which may be wrong, or when tree cover frustrates that kind 
of source data from yielding any helpful data to enter).

So, I'm at least one person who DOES say that OSM isn't a fake map, and those 
are only some of the reasons why.  There are plenty of other reasons and plenty 
of other people who agree with me.

SteveA
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSMOSE : Intégration de support radio pas encore en service

2019-12-29 Thread marc marc
Bonsoir,

Le 29.12.19 à 20:10, Yves P. a écrit :
> En intégrant un support d’antenne avec Osmose, j’ai constaté qu’il
> n’était pas visible dans Cartoradio.
> C’est en fait un émetteur pas encore en service. (Dans Cartoradio, il
> faut sélectionner "Toutes les stations » pour le voir)
> 
> http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/error/b7782955-a9e0-6479-0ffb-b7517a681c8b
> https://www.cartoradio.fr/index.html#/cartographie/lonlat/-61.0337639/16.3242967
> 
> Faut-il l’intégrer, et donc le proposer dans Osmose ?
> Il me semble que les projets ne sont parfois pas réalisés ?

tu maps un support d'antenne ou un émetteur ?
les 2 ne sont pas nécessairement réalisé en même temps

Mais pour ce support, selon cartoradio, il est :
- utilisé pour téléphonie orange+tnt+autre faisceau orange
- "toutes" rajoute free (qui n'est pas ou plus ou pas encore utilisé)
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Re: [OSM-talk] is OSM a fake map.

2019-12-29 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk

i am talking about in my own back yard,
 
i just hiked a mile down the street to check it out, it was not the same when i 
was there in
 
1985, but it did not match the mapper either.
 
to that end, bing is 2015 or 16,
 
as an example the county forest preserve map took from osm, so mappers have 
copied that and it is wrong
 
and how do you see thing under the trees unless you walk it.
 
so who is to say that any of OSM is not fake.
 
if all mappers are tracing.
 
From: john whelan
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2019 1:08 PM
To: 80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] is OSM a fake map.
 
I'm fairly lucky in that in the last three years nothing much has changed 
locally.  The highways have stayed much the same.  Most buildings are still 
there.
 
If you use Bing to add things then realistically it fills in gaps in the map.  
If you delete things because they are not in Bing that is a quite different 
matter.
 
Does it matter if the mapper lives more than five miles away?  Well I've mapped 
places a few thousand miles away but they were places I knew very well as I 
used to live there.
 
I don't think OSM will ever be completely accurate.  Having said that it is 
still very useful for many purposes.
 
Cheerio John  
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wrote:
>it say in some wiki. to correct what you find wrong on the map,
> 
>not one “other nearby users” is a current mapper, and all edits in a 5 mile 
>radius are not coming from an on the ground
> 
>mappers in my area but 20 miles + away and are tracing from bing, and the 
>images on bing in my local area are from
> 
>2016 so i do not see how the map locally is true, and it is not easy to go and 
>see every thing they have done,
> 
>no car or bike.
> 
>every thing i do is backed up by me on mapillary, and in traces. 
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Re: [talk-au] parking and bike lane

2019-12-29 Thread Andrew Harvey
If there's nothing marked on the road in the roundabout, then you can just
omit the cycle lane tag from the roundabout.

On Sun., 29 Dec. 2019, 2:21 pm Graeme Fitzpatrick, 
wrote:

>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
> On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 at 16:52, David Wales  wrote:
>
>> I prefer to use separate ways for separate foot paths.
>>
>
> As do I.
>
>
>> On 28 December 2019 3:02:30 pm AEDT, Sebastian Spiess 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I do welcome comments. In particular regarding how to go about the cycle
>>> way and the roundabout.
>>>
>>
> Looks OK to me, but I've also wondered how bike lanes are supposed to work
> through roundabouts, when there's nothing marked on the road?
>
>   Thanks
>
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Re: [Talk-at] Wien "Zählbezirke" unvollständig und falsch -> historische Vorstäde falsch getagged

2019-12-29 Thread Friedrich Volkmann

On 29.12.19 19:19, realadry wrote:

In der offiziellen OSM Karte werden Namen angezeigt und
ich habe wie dumm gesucht woher die kommen. Aber jetzt sehe ich erst,
dass es einen Node mit "place=suburb" gibt wo der Name in der Karte
steht...

Zufällig deckt sich das aber mit den falsch gemappten "Zählbezirken".


Nein, das deckt sich nicht, denn die Zählbezirke sind flächig gemappt, die 
Suburbs hingegen als Place-Nodes auf die Ortskerne.



Kann es also sein, dass hier nicht Zählbezirke sondern diese
historischen suburbs von mmarinschek gemapped wurden?


Nein.

Mit den Suburbs ist das eine längere Geschichte, weil ursprünglich auch die 
Katastralgemeinden als Suburbs gemappt waren. Ich hab das getrennt und die 
Katastralgemeinden (die ja definierte Grenzen, aber nicht unbedingt 
Siedlungskerne haben) zu Boundary-Relationen gemacht und nur dort die 
Place-Nodes gelassen (bzw. ergänzt), wo die Namen mit Siedlungskernen 
korrespondieren, und zu diesen hab ich sie hingeschoben. Das war alles viel 
Arbeit und es ist jetzt einheitlich, wiki-konform und praktikabel und darum 
bitte ich dich, das so zu lassen.



[1] Bestätigt auch,
dass es ein historischer Ort ist und nicht mehr existiert.

[1]https://www.geschichtewiki.wien.gv.at/Gumpendorf_(Vorstadt)


Es existiert sehr wohl noch, denn da ist heute weder Wald noch Wiese, 
sondern dicht verbautes Gebiet mit einem klar erkennbareren Siedlungskern 
mit Kirche, Hauptplatz (Kurt-Pint-Platz) und Hauptstraße (Gumpendorfer Straße).


Wir hatten hier schon eine ähnliche Diskussion wegen Nikolsdorf. Jemand 
plädierte für eine Löschung, weil es keiner mehr kenne. Aber ein Freund, den 
ich fragte, weil er in diesem Bezirk wohnt, meinte nur: selbstverständlich 
kennt er Nikolsdorf.


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Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria

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Re: [Talk-us] TIGER-completeness visualizer?

2019-12-29 Thread stevea
A reminder on this topic:  https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/TIGER_Edited_Map has a 
list (in Basic use) and even a graphic (at the top) of the "key / rules" that 
were used in the ITOWorld TIGER-completion map.

There are links to "the best of what remains" to further the endeavor of TIGER 
cleanup, including some very good Overpass Turbo queries, what I myself have 
found a useful alternative since the demise of ITOWorld's excellent 
visualization product.  That page links to Minh's excellent 
https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/TIGER_fixup/Overpass_queries, which while it states 
these remain "unreviewed," offers at least four such queries which I hope are 
helpful to all who endeavor to clean up TIGER data.  I have used at least some 
of these queries, they do work and they are helpful.

While I would enthusiastically welcome a re-creation (or reasonable facsimile) 
of the ITOWorld visualizer (so pretty!  so effective!), we can (and must!) 
continue to "muddle through" with the current tools available to us for TIGER 
cleanup.  At least now we have a reference for how the ITOWorld visualizer was 
implemented, that (wiki page) gives me some hope.

Can we reduce "it's still gonna take a few decades to complete TIGER Review?"  
We can!

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[OSM-talk-fr] OSMOSE : Intégration de support radio pas encore en service

2019-12-29 Thread Yves P.
Bonsoir,

En intégrant un support d’antenne avec Osmose, j’ai constaté qu’il n’était pas 
visible dans Cartoradio.
C’est en fait un émetteur pas encore en service. (Dans Cartoradio, il faut 
sélectionner "Toutes les stations » pour le voir)

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/error/b7782955-a9e0-6479-0ffb-b7517a681c8b 

https://www.cartoradio.fr/index.html#/cartographie/lonlat/-61.0337639/16.3242967
 


Faut-il l’intégrer, et donc le proposer dans Osmose ?
Il me semble que les projets ne sont parfois pas réalisés ?

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Re: [OSM-talk] is OSM a fake map.

2019-12-29 Thread john whelan
I'm fairly lucky in that in the last three years nothing much has changed
locally.  The highways have stayed much the same.  Most buildings are still
there.

If you use Bing to add things then realistically it fills in gaps in the
map.  If you delete things because they are not in Bing that is a quite
different matter.

Does it matter if the mapper lives more than five miles away?  Well I've
mapped places a few thousand miles away but they were places I knew very
well as I used to live there.

I don't think OSM will ever be completely accurate.  Having said that it is
still very useful for many purposes.

Cheerio John


On Sun, 29 Dec 2019, 12:31 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk, 
wrote:

> it say in some wiki. to correct what you find wrong on the map,
>
> not one “other nearby users” is a current mapper, and all edits in a 5
> mile radius are not coming from an on the ground
>
> mappers in my area but 20 miles + away and are tracing from bing, and the
> images on bing in my local area are from
>
> 2016 so i do not see how the map locally is true, and it is not easy to go
> and see every thing they have done,
>
> no car or bike.
>
> every thing i do is backed up by me on mapillary, and in traces.
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Re: [OSM-talk] is OSM a fake map.

2019-12-29 Thread Simon Poole
A couple of general points first:

- nobody "owns" their OSM data in any larger OSM community your data
will be changed by other mappers, and sometimes they will be wrong and
sometimes you,

- good comments and source tags are your friend, indicating how the data
was sourced is key to enabling other mappers to understanding what you did

In your specific case you should engage with the mapper(s) in question
via changeset comments and try to explain the situation to them. If that
doesn't work out, you can approach the DWG (d...@osmfoundation.org) and
ask them to have a look at the situation. If necessary they will
intervene and try to resolve the issues.

Simon


Am 29.12.2019 um 18:27 schrieb 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk:
> it say in some wiki. to correct what you find wrong on the map,
>  
> not one“other nearby users” is a current mapper, and all edits in a 5
> mile radius are not coming from an on the ground
>  
> mappers in my area but 20 miles + away and are tracing from bing, and
> the images on bing in my local area are from
>  
> 2016 so i do not see how the map locally is true, and it is not easy
> to go and see every thing they have done,
>  
> no car or bike. 
>  
> every thing i do is backed up by me on mapillary, and in traces.
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Re: [talk-cz] Změny SŽDC

2019-12-29 Thread jzvc via talk-cz

Dne 28.12.2019 v 21:41 Jan Macura napsal(a):

Ahoj,

přemýšlel jsem, jak snadno zamést ten bordel, co napáchala SŽDC s 
novým jízdním řádem: 
https://zdopravy.cz/prehledne-szdc-odtajnila-nova-cisla-trati-v-jizdnich-radech-zmeny-jsou-hlavne-na-morave-33747/


(Pro pobavení: argumentem v roce 2019 bylo, aby se jízdní řád pro 
každou trať vešel na jednu stránku tištěného řádu)


Čili dotaz zní, zda existuje nástroj, který umí rozstříhnout jednu 
relaci (=jednu trasu) na 2, jako by to byla cesta a stejným způsobem 
jiné dvě relace (=dvě trasy) spojit dohromady?
Já znám jen způsob všechny úseky, které již do trasy nepatří, z relace 
vyházet, pak je znova označit a přidat do jiné relace, ale to mi 
přijde neadekvátně pracné.



Cus, predpokladam (mozna naivne), ze trasa = seznam na sebe navazujicich 
useku => pokud nejsou, tak si useky v relaci seradis (pokud nejsou zadny 
vetve, vznikne prave ten seznam na sebe navazujicich) a pak primo v 
relaci vyberes tu cast, ktera ma byt v jiny relaci, a muzes ji do ty 
jiny relace dat, a z puvodni vyhodit. Melo by fungovat v JOSM.


Slouceni dvou relaci najdes nekde v menu, vyberes ty co chces spojit, a 
on je spoji, ale pokud jsou tam stejny tagy jinych hodnot, tak si to pak 
musis nejak predelat rucne, oddeli je tusim strednikama.


Ovsem jelikoz a protoze se zcela jiste spousta materialu bude jeste 
drahne let odkazovat na starsi (nebo jeste starsi) cislovani trati, tak 
by mozna bylo lepsi zachovat i stavajici relace. Nektery trate to tak i 
maji. Chci totiz videt, jak bude nekdo predelavat nejaky oznacniky primo 
v terenu, precislovavat prejezdy, atd atd.





A související otázka pro šotouše: v Plzni letos SŽDC přečíslovala 
nástupiště. Takže např. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/233459467 už 
není 2. nástupiště, ale severní část je 3. nástupiště a jižní část je 
4. nástupiště. K tomu jsou teda ještě nějak přidávaný písmenka, ale to 
vůbec nevím jak... Nějaký návrh, jak to smysluplně předělat? 
Rozříznout tu plochu podélně..? :-]


Jup, bud roztrhas plochy nastupist, nebo nechas nastupiste jako fyzickou 
podstatu, a nodama oznacis jednotlivy mista zastaveni, a tem das ty 
numera. Viz https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport





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Re: [Talk-at] Wien "Zählbezirke" unvollständig und falsch -> historische Vorstäde falsch getagged

2019-12-29 Thread realadry

Hallo,

Du hast Recht. In der offiziellen OSM Karte werden Namen angezeigt und
ich habe wie dumm gesucht woher die kommen. Aber jetzt sehe ich erst,
dass es einen Node mit "place=suburb" gibt wo der Name in der Karte
steht...

Zufällig deckt sich das aber mit den falsch gemappten "Zählbezirken".
Kann es also sein, dass hier nicht Zählbezirke sondern diese
historischen suburbs von mmarinschek gemapped wurden? In dem Fall ist
die Bezeichnung falsch getagged und man sollte das als diese
(historischen) suburbs taggen oder rauslöschen.

Als Quelle für die Gebietsgrenzen der "suburbs" konnte ich nur z.B.
[1] finden.

Diese "Suburbs" haben aber heutzutage keine mir bekannte Relevanz mehr
und ist eher ein historischer "Ort" als ein Suburb. [1] Bestätigt auch,
dass es ein historischer Ort ist und nicht mehr existiert.

[1]https://www.geschichtewiki.wien.gv.at/Gumpendorf_(Vorstadt)

Mfg,
realadry

Am 29.12.2019 um 17:23 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann:> Welche Karten tun
das? Mir sind noch keine untergekommen. Wenn eine
> Karte boundary=statistical auswertet, dann wird das hoffentlich einen
> guten Grund haben, sonst solltest du das dem Kartenanbieter als Bug
melden.

Am 29.12.2019 um 17:23 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann:


Welche Karten tun das? Mir sind noch keine untergekommen. Wenn eine
Karte boundary=statistical auswertet, dann wird das hoffentlich einen
guten Grund haben, sonst solltest du das dem Kartenanbieter als Bug melden.



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[talk-cz] Dar pro spolek

2019-12-29 Thread Tom Ka
Ahoj,

Firma Asamm Software, s.r. o. (tvůrce aplikace Locus Map) darovala
Spolku OSM ČR jednorázovou částku 10 000Kč. Viz.

https://ib.fio.cz/ib/transparent?a=2001563779

Zatím jen informace, že proběhlo. Po novém roce, jak opadnou nápory
spojené s rozjetím nového roku můžeme začít uvažovat, jestli tyto
extra peníze nějak extra využít. Samozřejmě rozhodně není povinností
je okamžitě utratit.

Za radu spolku OSM ČR z.s.
tom.k

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] 500 defibrillators gemapillariseerd

2019-12-29 Thread Marc Gemis
> We zijn echter maar met 2 mappers die de AEDs serieus nemen.  Er zijn zelfs 
> mappers die om elitaire redenen geen foto willen nemen en liever mensen laten 
> sterven.

Kunnen we dit provocerend gedrag aub achterwege laten ?

prettige feestdagen iedereen

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Re: [Talk-dk] Københavnsvej U-turn

2019-12-29 Thread Jørgen Elgaard Larsen

Niels Elgaard Larsen skrev:

Jeg ved ikke hvorfor nogen bruger denne smutvej på Københavnsvej. Jeg kan ikke 
finde
et eksempel, hvor det giver nogen som helst mening.


Jeg bruger den faktisk en gang imellem.

Når man f.x. kommer ad motorvejen fra København og skal mod Sjællands 
Odde - og så lige skal i Bauhaus på vejen...


Man drejer fra af afkørsel 10, besøger Bauhaus og vil tilbage på 
motorvejen. Man kunne naturligvis køre på ad afkørsel 11, men det er 
dels lidt nærmere med afkørsel 10, dels føles det naturlilgt at køre på 
der hvor man kørte fra.


Når man kommer ud ad Københavnsvej i østlig retning og vil på motorvejen 
mod vest, er den lille smutvej den hurtigste rute.


Det ville nok være bedre for de fleste, hvis navigationssoftware kunne 
finde ud af, at lede en fra Bauhaus mod Odden via afkørsel 11. Men 
afkørsel 10 er faktisk nærmere og hurtigere. Og det er bedre at blive 
ledt via smutvejen end at skulle lave en U-vending på Københavnsvej.



Smutvejen er ikke skiltet som ensrettet, men i praksis giver den kun 
mening at benytte den ene vej.



- Jørgen



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[OSM-talk] is OSM a fake map.

2019-12-29 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk

it say in some wiki. to correct what you find wrong on the map,
 
not one “other nearby users” is a current mapper, and all edits in a 5 mile 
radius are not coming from an on the ground
 
mappers in my area but 20 miles + away and are tracing from bing, and the 
images on bing in my local area are from
 
2016 so i do not see how the map locally is true, and it is not easy to go and 
see every thing they have done,
 
no car or bike. 
 
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Re: [Talk-GB] New Entertainment venue - what tags?

2019-12-29 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB

Hi

In your example they're all different companies with different addresses 
& contact details, FHRS etc Tony's is one company, one address etc, so I 
think it should be one node, or if mappable, a building part area.. The 
facilities should be listed in sub tags - bar=yes, restaurant=yes  etc


On 29/12/2019 11:20, Chris Fleming wrote:

On 29/12/19 at 10:40am, Tony OSM wrote:

   Hi

   In Chorley a new entertainment business has opened -
   https://www.escapeentertainmentvenue.co.uk/

   It's primary offering is TenPin bowling, Gator Adventure golf (a form
   of indoor golf) and a bar & restaurant.

   What is the best way to tag? One node or three nodes?

   The new building is multi-tenanted and includes M Food and a cinema
   (already tagged).

I would tend to map these all as individual nodes. An example is here:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/55.94187/-3.21604=N

Sometimes, it makes sense to tag the building with the main occupant
then add any cafe's or restaurants as nodes, in your case this would be
the bowling then add the others as nodes. I would also tend to do this
for a big store which may also have a cafe or restaurant.

Cheers
Chris



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Re: [Talk-GB] Which paths are shown on this OS 'Standard' render

2019-12-29 Thread Martin Wynne

On 29/12/2019 15:53, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:
> https://osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/
> This OS map render only shows a selection of paths. Does anyone know
> what criteria OS used to decide which to render? Initially, it appears
> random.

OS call that the "Standard Map", which is displayed to visitors to the 
"OS Maps" app who have not signed up for the subscription service (or 
logged in). After which you can see the "Leisure Maps" (Landranger and 
Explorer), the Night Map, and several other options.


The Standard map appears to have been made as information-free as 
possible, perhaps intentionally as a background to the street map 
overlay -- and presumably to encourage folks to sign up for a 
subscription. For example the OS Maps help page says helpfully "There is 
no legend available for the Standard map at the moment."


Martin.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mappen van paalcampings

2019-12-29 Thread Guy Vanvuchelen
De bivakzone  Het Vinne in Zoutleeuw heb ik aangepast volgens de info van Jo

 

Guy Vanvuchelen

 

Van: Jo [mailto:winfi...@gmail.com] 
Verzonden: zondag 29 december 2019 15:53
Aan: OpenStreetMap Belgium
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mappen van paalcampings

 

Hallo Karel,

 

Ik heb een paar jaar geleden deze toegevoegd:

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/222137187/history 

 

Die is onbereikbaar met de wagen. Ik denk niet dat het feit dat hij op 
OpenStreetMap staat ervoor zorgt dat hij overrompelt wordt.

 

In Tielt-Winge is er vorig jaar ook één bijgekomen. Ik heb die wel op 
Mapillary, maar blijkbaar heb ik 'm nog niet toegevoegd aan OSM.

 

Jo 

 

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 3:38 PM Karel Adams  wrote:

Na enige aarzeling heb ik, proberenderwijs, de paalcamping Arkadia in 
Muizen toegevoegd. Zie 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7093111580#map=19/51.00354/4.54221

Het zou me helemaal niet verbazen als de initiaftiefnemers daarmee 
allesbehalve gelukikig waren, ik heb dan ook geschreven om een en ander 
toe te lichten, en om goedkeuring te vragen. Want dit soort initiatieven 
houdt graag een laag profiel, het allerlaatste dat men daar wil is dat 
er iemand met een 4x4-superdeluxekampeerbus komt binnengetuft. En dat 
houd ik best voor mogelijk, allicht zal er wel iemand campinggidsen 
opmaken op basis van overpassqueries.

Misschien toch beter maar terug verwijderen? Of welke tags zouden er 
kunnen toegevoegd worden om het eigen karakter van zo'n paalcamping 
duidelijk over te brengen? Iets van "access=???" of "regulations=strict"?

Over het concept van paalcampings kan men meer lezen op o.a. 
http://www.bivakzone.be/

Karel


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Re: [Talk-GB] Which paths are shown on this OS 'Standard' render

2019-12-29 Thread Richard Fairhurst
DaveF wrote:
> This OS map render only shows a selection of paths. Does anyone 
> know what criteria OS used to decide which to render?

I suspect "only those which OS have got round to digitising". OS have
digitised all paths in National Parks and appear to be gradually digitising
others. But certainly they haven't done the full set of PROWs yet.

Richard



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Re: [Talk-at] Wien "Zählbezirke" unvollständig und falsch

2019-12-29 Thread Friedrich Volkmann

On 29.12.19 17:17, realadry wrote:

Mir ist zufällig aufgefallen, dass die Zählbezirke in Wien
(boundary=statistical) völlig falsch und dazu auch unvollständig sind [1]


Hier gab's vor ein paar Jahren eine Diskussion dazu, und soweit ich mich 
erinnern kann, war die Conclusio, dass die Zählbezirke eigentlich keiner 
braucht. Aber nachdem sich schon jemand (mmarinschek, der aber bald danach 
das Handtuch warf und in OSM nicht mehr aktiv ist) die Mühe gemacht hatte, 
haben wir die schon gemappten nicht rausgelöscht, sondern nur so umgetaggt, 
dass sie nicht stören. Ich glaube, boundary=statistical war meine Erfindung.



Ich frage mich, was ist die Quelle der bisher eingetragenen (source=*
fehlt),


Das solltest du nicht dich selber, sondern mmarinschek fragen.


woher kommen die Namen (Das Ortsverzeichnis [2] enthält völlig
andere Namen z.B. "Gumpendorf" gibt es nicht) und sollten wir nicht
(automatisch?) die offiziellen Grenzen [3] eintragen?


Wenn du sie berichtigen und vervollständigen kannst, dann nur zu.


"Problem" ist, dass viele Karten (jaja wir mappen nicht für den renderer
usw..) diese Gebiete (boundary=statistical) beschriften, auch wenn sie
in Wirklichkeit überhaupt keine Relevanz auf einer gezeichneten Karte haben.


Welche Karten tun das? Mir sind noch keine untergekommen. Wenn eine Karte 
boundary=statistical auswertet, dann wird das hoffentlich einen guten Grund 
haben, sonst solltest du das dem Kartenanbieter als Bug melden.


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Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria

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Re: [Talk-GB] Which paths are shown on this OS 'Standard' render

2019-12-29 Thread Andy Townsend
> I've a contributor who says it's evidence that some PROWS don't existany 
> more. They're still shown in Bing's OS Explorer map & in the localauthority's 
> digital database.

... and are still on the ground in at least some cases.  As I read this I've 
just walked past here:

https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=24=54.4339599=-1.11039565

and there's a public footpath signed north  and a bridleway signed west just 
around the corner.  Neither is in OSM as I write this either, but they will be 
within a week or so.

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[Talk-at] Wien "Zählbezirke" unvollständig und falsch

2019-12-29 Thread realadry

Hallo,

Mir ist zufällig aufgefallen, dass die Zählbezirke in Wien
(boundary=statistical) völlig falsch und dazu auch unvollständig sind [1]

Ich frage mich, was ist die Quelle der bisher eingetragenen (source=*
fehlt), woher kommen die Namen (Das Ortsverzeichnis [2] enthält völlig
andere Namen z.B. "Gumpendorf" gibt es nicht) und sollten wir nicht
(automatisch?) die offiziellen Grenzen [3] eintragen?


"Problem" ist, dass viele Karten (jaja wir mappen nicht für den renderer
usw..) diese Gebiete (boundary=statistical) beschriften, auch wenn sie
in Wirklichkeit überhaupt keine Relevanz auf einer gezeichneten Karte haben.

Wie wiki [4] gibt dazu nichts an, außer, dass es "Zählbezirke" gibt.

Mfg,
realadry

[1]https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Pk3

[2]http://www.statistik.at/wcm/idc/idcplg?IdcService=GET_PDF_FILE=LatestReleased=007117

[3]https://www.data.gv.at/katalog/dataset/e4079286-310c-435a-af2d-64604ba9ade5

[4]https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Austria/Gebietsk%C3%B6rperschaften

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] SPAM, Re: Problème avec ID - besoin d'aide

2019-12-29 Thread Philippe Verdy
Pour gagner un peu on pourrait proposer d'autoriser les heures et minutes à
1 chiffre au lieu de 2 (sans zéro initial) quand elles sont séparés par un
":".
Certains espaces sont non nécessaires dans la syntaxe : entre n'importe
quelle lettre et n'importe quel chiffre, et toutes les ponctuations sont
autonomes dans la syntaxe, donc aucun espace avant ou après toute
ponctuation ou signe (comme "]", ou "," ou ";" ou "-"), un espace n'est
nécessaire qu'entre deux mots ou entre deux nombres (il n'y a pas aucun
"mot" significatif mixant lettres et chiffres, "Dec25" se lit comme "Dec
25" par exemple).


Le dim. 29 déc. 2019 à 16:47, Philippe Verdy  a écrit :

> La première partie des horaires, hors vacances (SH), se factorise un peu
> (en utilisant "off" pour fermer un horaire déclaré ouvert dans les règles
> précédentes):
>
> Mo-Fr 11:45-14:00,17:00-20:00;
> We 11:30-11:45;
> Mo 11:45-12:00 off;
> We 13:00-14:00,18:00-20:00 off;
> Tu 20:00-21:00;
>
> Mais on gagne très peu.
>
> Le dim. 29 déc. 2019 à 15:49, Yves P.  a écrit :
>
>> Je n'arrive pas, pour le moment, à trouver comment faire : mettre les
>> mêmes horaires de début pour les vacances et hors vacances et de préciser
>> en SH Mo-Fr « Ouverture en continue »
>>
>>
>> J’ai essayé ceci
>> 
>>  mais
>> ça affiche «Vacances de Noël» au lieu de «Journée continue»
>>
>> Mo
>> 
>>  12:00-14:00,17:00-20:00
>> 
>> ;
>> 
>> Tu
>> 
>>  11:45-14:00,16:30-21:00
>> 
>> ;
>> 
>> We
>> 
>>  11:30-13:00,15:00-18:00
>> 
>> ;
>> 
>> Th
>> 
>>  11:45-14:00,16:30-20:00
>> 
>> ;
>> 
>> Fr
>> 
>>  11:45-14:00,17:00-20:00
>> 
>> ;
>> 
>> SH
>> 
>>  Mo-Fr
>> 
>>  "Journée continue"
>> 
>> ;
>> 
>> SH
>> 
>>  Sa,Su
>> 
>>  10:00-13:00,15:00-18:00
>> 
>>
>> —
>> Yves
>>
>> PS: Cette limite de 255 caractères est une bonne illustration de « Le
>> mieux est l’ennemi du bien » 廊
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[Talk-GB] Which paths are shown on this OS 'Standard' render

2019-12-29 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB

Hi

https://osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/
This OS map render only shows a selection of paths. Does anyone know 
what criteria OS used to decide which to render? Initially, it appears 
random.


I've a contributor who says it's evidence that some PROWS don't exist 
any more. They're still shown in Bing's OS Explorer map & in the local 
authority's digital database.


Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] SPAM, Re: Problème avec ID - besoin d'aide

2019-12-29 Thread Philippe Verdy
La première partie des horaires, hors vacances (SH), se factorise un peu
(en utilisant "off" pour fermer un horaire déclaré ouvert dans les règles
précédentes):

Mo-Fr 11:45-14:00,17:00-20:00;
We 11:30-11:45;
Mo 11:45-12:00 off;
We 13:00-14:00,18:00-20:00 off;
Tu 20:00-21:00;

Mais on gagne très peu.

Le dim. 29 déc. 2019 à 15:49, Yves P.  a écrit :

> Je n'arrive pas, pour le moment, à trouver comment faire : mettre les
> mêmes horaires de début pour les vacances et hors vacances et de préciser
> en SH Mo-Fr « Ouverture en continue »
>
>
> J’ai essayé ceci
> 
>  mais
> ça affiche «Vacances de Noël» au lieu de «Journée continue»
>
> Mo
> 
>  12:00-14:00,17:00-20:00
> 
> ;
> 
> Tu
> 
>  11:45-14:00,16:30-21:00
> 
> ;
> 
> We
> 
>  11:30-13:00,15:00-18:00
> 
> ;
> 
> Th
> 
>  11:45-14:00,16:30-20:00
> 
> ;
> 
> Fr
> 
>  11:45-14:00,17:00-20:00
> 
> ;
> 
> SH
> 
>  Mo-Fr
> 
>  "Journée continue"
> 
> ;
> 
> SH
> 
>  Sa,Su
> 
>  10:00-13:00,15:00-18:00
> 
>
> —
> Yves
>
> PS: Cette limite de 255 caractères est une bonne illustration de « Le
> mieux est l’ennemi du bien » 廊
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mappen van paalcampings

2019-12-29 Thread Frank Vdm
er bestaat iets als https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxstay

Op zo 29 dec. 2019 om 16:11 schreef Karel Adams :

> Dankjewel, Jo. Enkele tags riepen vragen op (backcountry=yes,
> impromptu=yes, wat betekent dat eigenlijk?) maar ik heb ze toch maar
> toegevoegd, om consistent te zijn. Vooral nuttig lijkt me de
> motor_vehicle=no. En ik heb op hoogst eigen initiatief een nieuwe tag
> ingevoerd, of dat denk ik toch minstens :) : max_nights=1.
>
> KA
> On 2019-12-29 14:53, Jo wrote:
>
> Hallo Karel,
>
> Ik heb een paar jaar geleden deze toegevoegd:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/222137187/history
>
> Die is onbereikbaar met de wagen. Ik denk niet dat het feit dat hij op
> OpenStreetMap staat ervoor zorgt dat hij overrompelt wordt.
>
> In Tielt-Winge is er vorig jaar ook één bijgekomen. Ik heb die wel op
> Mapillary, maar blijkbaar heb ik 'm nog niet toegevoegd aan OSM.
>
> Jo
>
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 3:38 PM Karel Adams  wrote:
>
>> Na enige aarzeling heb ik, proberenderwijs, de paalcamping Arkadia in
>> Muizen toegevoegd. Zie
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7093111580#map=19/51.00354/4.54221
>>
>> Het zou me helemaal niet verbazen als de initiaftiefnemers daarmee
>> allesbehalve gelukikig waren, ik heb dan ook geschreven om een en ander
>> toe te lichten, en om goedkeuring te vragen. Want dit soort initiatieven
>> houdt graag een laag profiel, het allerlaatste dat men daar wil is dat
>> er iemand met een 4x4-superdeluxekampeerbus komt binnengetuft. En dat
>> houd ik best voor mogelijk, allicht zal er wel iemand campinggidsen
>> opmaken op basis van overpassqueries.
>>
>> Misschien toch beter maar terug verwijderen? Of welke tags zouden er
>> kunnen toegevoegd worden om het eigen karakter van zo'n paalcamping
>> duidelijk over te brengen? Iets van "access=???" of "regulations=strict"?
>>
>> Over het concept van paalcampings kan men meer lezen op o.a.
>> http://www.bivakzone.be/
>>
>> Karel
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mappen van paalcampings

2019-12-29 Thread Karel Adams
Dankjewel, Jo. Enkele tags riepen vragen op (backcountry=yes, 
impromptu=yes, wat betekent dat eigenlijk?) maar ik heb ze toch maar 
toegevoegd, om consistent te zijn. Vooral nuttig lijkt me de 
motor_vehicle=no. En ik heb op hoogst eigen initiatief een nieuwe tag 
ingevoerd, of dat denk ik toch minstens :) : max_nights=1.


KA

On 2019-12-29 14:53, Jo wrote:

Hallo Karel,

Ik heb een paar jaar geleden deze toegevoegd:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/222137187/history

Die is onbereikbaar met de wagen. Ik denk niet dat het feit dat hij op 
OpenStreetMap staat ervoor zorgt dat hij overrompelt wordt.


In Tielt-Winge is er vorig jaar ook één bijgekomen. Ik heb die wel op 
Mapillary, maar blijkbaar heb ik 'm nog niet toegevoegd aan OSM.


Jo

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 3:38 PM Karel Adams > wrote:


Na enige aarzeling heb ik, proberenderwijs, de paalcamping Arkadia in
Muizen toegevoegd. Zie
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7093111580#map=19/51.00354/4.54221

Het zou me helemaal niet verbazen als de initiaftiefnemers daarmee
allesbehalve gelukikig waren, ik heb dan ook geschreven om een en
ander
toe te lichten, en om goedkeuring te vragen. Want dit soort
initiatieven
houdt graag een laag profiel, het allerlaatste dat men daar wil is
dat
er iemand met een 4x4-superdeluxekampeerbus komt binnengetuft. En dat
houd ik best voor mogelijk, allicht zal er wel iemand campinggidsen
opmaken op basis van overpassqueries.

Misschien toch beter maar terug verwijderen? Of welke tags zouden er
kunnen toegevoegd worden om het eigen karakter van zo'n paalcamping
duidelijk over te brengen? Iets van "access=???" of
"regulations=strict"?

Over het concept van paalcampings kan men meer lezen op o.a.
http://www.bivakzone.be/

Karel


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] SPAM, Re: Problème avec ID - besoin d'aide

2019-12-29 Thread Yves P.
> J’ai essayé ceci 
> 
>  mais ça affiche «Vacances de Noël» au lieu de «Journée continue»
Oups, ça fonctionne bien mais ça n’est pas très précis.

Un humain va probablement comprendre, mais pas une machine.
Et de plus on ne précise pas la subtilité des heures d’ouvertures le matin.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mappen van paalcampings

2019-12-29 Thread Jo
Hallo Karel,

Ik heb een paar jaar geleden deze toegevoegd:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/222137187/history

Die is onbereikbaar met de wagen. Ik denk niet dat het feit dat hij op
OpenStreetMap staat ervoor zorgt dat hij overrompelt wordt.

In Tielt-Winge is er vorig jaar ook één bijgekomen. Ik heb die wel op
Mapillary, maar blijkbaar heb ik 'm nog niet toegevoegd aan OSM.

Jo

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 3:38 PM Karel Adams  wrote:

> Na enige aarzeling heb ik, proberenderwijs, de paalcamping Arkadia in
> Muizen toegevoegd. Zie
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7093111580#map=19/51.00354/4.54221
>
> Het zou me helemaal niet verbazen als de initiaftiefnemers daarmee
> allesbehalve gelukikig waren, ik heb dan ook geschreven om een en ander
> toe te lichten, en om goedkeuring te vragen. Want dit soort initiatieven
> houdt graag een laag profiel, het allerlaatste dat men daar wil is dat
> er iemand met een 4x4-superdeluxekampeerbus komt binnengetuft. En dat
> houd ik best voor mogelijk, allicht zal er wel iemand campinggidsen
> opmaken op basis van overpassqueries.
>
> Misschien toch beter maar terug verwijderen? Of welke tags zouden er
> kunnen toegevoegd worden om het eigen karakter van zo'n paalcamping
> duidelijk over te brengen? Iets van "access=???" of "regulations=strict"?
>
> Over het concept van paalcampings kan men meer lezen op o.a.
> http://www.bivakzone.be/
>
> Karel
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] SPAM, Re: Problème avec ID - besoin d'aide

2019-12-29 Thread Yves P.
> Je n'arrive pas, pour le moment, à trouver comment faire : mettre les mêmes 
> horaires de début pour les vacances et hors vacances et de préciser en SH 
> Mo-Fr « Ouverture en continue »

J’ai essayé ceci 

 mais ça affiche «Vacances de Noël» au lieu de «Journée continue»

Mo 

 12:00-14:00,17:00-20:00 
;
 

Tu 

 11:45-14:00,16:30-21:00 
;
 

We 

 11:30-13:00,15:00-18:00 
;
 

Th 

 11:45-14:00,16:30-20:00 
;
 

Fr 

 11:45-14:00,17:00-20:00 
;
 

SH 

 Mo-Fr 

 "Journée continue" 
; 

SH 

 Sa,Su 

 10:00-13:00,15:00-18:00 


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Limite de 255 caractères dans OSM — Re: Problème avec ID - besoin d'aide

2019-12-29 Thread Yves P.

> En regardant les commits, codes et issues j’ai trouvé cette discussion :
> Increase may key and value max length #2025 
> 
J’ai rajouté quelques pouces levés et l’exemple d’Arnaud avec les horaires de 
la piscine.
Je vous invite à donner votre avis…

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Limite de 255 caractères dans OSM — Re: Problème avec ID - besoin d'aide

2019-12-29 Thread Yves P.
> 
> C'est bloqué au niveau du schéma de la base de données par une contrainte (le 
> serveur refuse).
Oui, pour éviter de faire planter « certains » outils qui utilisent les données 
OSM.

> je n'ai jamais vu (ni cherché) ce genre de liste.
https://github.com/search?q=org%3Aopenstreetmap+255+characters

En regardant les commits, codes et issues j’ai trouvé cette discussion :
Increase may key and value max length #2025 

Entre autres, elle liste les tags qui peuvent dépasser les 255 caractères.

Si je comprends bien, la limite est uniquement historique et provient de la 
base de données (mysql) qui était limitée à l’époque.
Ensuite il semble que la position soit plutôt conservatrice : si une valeur 
dépasse, c’est qu’elle n’est pas lisible (exploitable) par un humain.
Donc il faut garder cette limite !!

Un message d’avertissement lors de la saisie ou dans osmose pourrait suffire ??

—
Yves

PS: ça s’applique aux clés, valeurs, commentaires de changeset…

On trouve effectivement des contrôles de taille dans le site web osm, iD…
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Limite de 255 caractères dans OSM

2019-12-29 Thread marc marc
Le 28.12.19 à 17:28, Yves P. a écrit :
> 
>> le fait que cela va casser une partie des outils utilisant l'api actuelle
> Ils sont répertoriés ?

je n'ai jamais vu (ni cherché) ce genre de liste.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carte de Vœu

2019-12-29 Thread osm . sanspourriel

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/47.0258/1.8773

Ça me fait penser que les hamlet et surtout les isolated_dwelling
n'apparaissent plus trop tôt à fort niveau de zoom.

Et je vais souhaiter deux mille vins au patron du Vinocrate.

Jean-Yvon

Le 29/12/2019 à 11:13, Guillaume Rischard - openstreet...@stereo.lu a
écrit :

https://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=17=47.026=1.877
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Re: [Talk-cat] Importació centres docents a Catalunya

2019-12-29 Thread Lanxana .
Bon dia (i Bon Any, gairebé)!

fins avui no he trobat el moment per donar un cop d'ull als fitxers. Està
genial la llista de conversió, estalviarà molta feina en la revisió dels
etiquetats. Moltes gràcies!

He detectat una altre cosa que aniria bé canviar, si es pot... en els
centres que imparteixen dues tipologies d'estudi (per exemple les escoles
institut que abarquen dels 3 als 18 anys) he vist que alguns cops apareixen
com school:primary i altres com a school:secondary, seria possible que
s'agrupessin els diferents estudis que imparteixen? És a dir, concatenar
els valors utilitzant el ; com a separador -> school:primary; secondary;
professional, per posar un exemple complex (que ara mateix no sé si es dona
o no).

Sobre dividir les tasques, doncs si es poden agrupar els punts amb una eina
de clustering, des del codi, seria una molt bona solució. Que les àrees
gràfiques es solapin no hauria de suposar un problema, ja que el centre
estarà en una o en una altra, i encara que dues persones treballin a la
mateixa àrea, no generarien conflicte al pujar les dades. Per altra banda,
tenint en compte la complexitat al revisar els centres, crec que les
tasques haurien de ser relativament petites, d'uns 20 o 25 centres per
tasca. Crec que és millor tenir moltes tasques petites que poques i molt
grans, que no donin temps a acabar d'una sola editada. No sé com ho
veieu... també es podrien fer més grans i després veure si es pot habilitar
l'eina del gestor que divideix les tasques en altres més petites, però amb
la dispersió al territori que hi pot haver, crec que és millor que la
divisió ja la portem feta "de casa".

Com a coses al revisar abans de donar per bo un centre, crec que seria:
- verificar ubicació: que caigui en un lloc lògic
- verificar si ja hi és, al mateix lloc o proper, i ja sigui com a node o
àrea
- verificar adreça: que el nom del carrer sigui com el que ja hi ha a OSM i
la numeració lligui amb la existent o amb cadastre
- verificar la resta d'etiquetat, com que grups d'edat, estudis i tipus
centre lliguin entre ells
- verificar el nom: que no contingui abreviatures, crear short_name si cal
- traçar el perímetre del centre (optatiu, però ja que hi som...)

Què en penseu? Afegiríeu o trauríeu alguna comprovació? Quants centres
posaríeu per tasca (hi ha uns 5500 centres a importar)?

Salutacions!

El sáb., 7 dic. 2019 a las 17:03, Victor () escribió:

> Hola,
>
>  ok, he fet les modificacions, no es molt complicat. Aqui estan els arxius
> i el nou OSM:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1etBzdv3Dni3Dv_Vcfd_6huvuB9yme5hm
> He posat les traduccions de paraules i frases totes al fitxer de
> configuracio de forma que es poden afegir o modificar segons sigui
> necessari.
>
> # Terms and abreviations to be translated
> translations:
> operator:type:
> Públic: public
> Privat: private
> operator:
> Alt. Ens Públ.: Altres ens Públics
> Alt. est. no UE: Atres estats no Unió Europea
> Alt. estats UE: Atres estats Unió Europea
> Alt. Titularit.: Atres titularitats
> Altres Depart.: Altres Departaments
> Associacions: Associacions
> Cooperatives: Cooperatives
> Corp. Locals: Corporacions locals
> Dep.Ensenyament: Departament d'Ensenyament
> Església Catòl.: Església Catòlica
> Fundacions: Fundacions
> Jurídica Estra.: Jurídica estrangera
> Ordes i Cong.: Ordes i Congregacions
> Person.Fís. Es.: Persones Físiques
> Persones Físiq.: Persones Físiques
> Soc. Civils: Societats civils
> Soc. Mercantils: Societats mercantils
>
> word_replacements:
> addr:street:
> C.: Carrer
> Av.: Avinguda
> Ctra.: Carretera
> Pl.: Plaça
> pça.: Plaça
> Pça.: Plaça
> Pg.: Passeig
> Pss: Passeig
> Rbla.: Rambla
> Rda.: Ronda
> Trav.: Travessera
> Ptge.: Passatge
> pge.: Passatge
> urb.: Urbanització
> Urb.: Urbanització
> Prol.: Prolongació
> name:
> Esc.: Escola
> Cons.: Consevatori
> Cent.: "Centre "
> Prof: "Professional "
> Mús.: Música
> C.Educ.: "Centre d'Educació "
> Sup.: "Superior "
> Inst.: Institut
> inf.: infants
>
> Respecte als centres propers el que podria fer es agruparlos en paquests
> de p.ex 100 centres (clustering) , per proximitat basat en les
> coordenades.  I fer un arxiu OSM per cada grup.
> A partir d'aixo tambe es podria treure el poligon quadrat (bbox) que conte
> cada grup (max lat, max lon, min lat, min lon). Pero no serien quadrats
> alineats ni res, molts es solaparien per algun canto a llocs com barcelona,
> etc. No se si serviria.
> O potser amb els osm de cada grup es suficient per repartir la feina, per
> que de fet l'altre script de madrid fa el contrari, a partir dels quadrats
> calcula aquests osm petits.
>
> On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 1:25 PM Lanxana .  wrote:
>
>> Bon dia!
>>
>> En primer lloc, molt bona feina, Víctor, ets un crack! Moltes gràcies per
>> preparar l'script.
>>
>> Fins avui no he pogut mirar-m'ho amb calma, al intentar carregar el
>> fitxer *.osm a JOSM dona un error en unes coordenades, que al fitxer origen
>> estan malament. És una correcció manual que ja documentaré a la wiki i ho

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carte de Vœu

2019-12-29 Thread Yves P.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=20/46.30703/6.89047=H

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-12-29 Thread Nuno Caldeira
If you read this
https://blog.mapbox.com/19-amazing-maps-from-2019-c2db8f2b6b9f you can see
several clients of them that are not complying. Example
https://parallel.co.uk/netherlands/#14.23/52.34361/4.85248/0/40 they
credited us as OSM  and no notice of what the license is or hyperlink.

But still they are "amazing" maps that are not complying with OSM license.
See how many of those actually do comply

Martin Koppenhoefer  escreveu em dom, 29/12/2019 às
08:40 :

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 29. Dec 2019, at 07:18, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
> >
> > I think what many people are suggesting is that the attribution cant be
> behind an I icon or similar. I have noted that on wider screens the correct
> attribution is shown but as screen size gets smaller it MAY disappear (to
> behind the I Icon or similar) on SOME sites or SOME operating systems. I
> think the size is 600 pixels or thereabouts. Is this the "issue" you really
> want resolved? Very easy to test on any PC screen. If I rotate my mobile
> device the full attribution is often there whilst behind some icon in
> portrait mode.
> >
> > This is all up to the developer of the site or app I would suggest, not
> Mapbox or any other tile provider, who in general provide good
> documentation spelling out when Open Street Map attribution is required.
>
>
> actually this kind of attribution is provided by mapbox’s frameworks like
> mapbox-gl-js and if you (as a developer) do not implement your own
> attribution mechanism you will automatically get (comparatively small)
> OpenStreetMap attribution that hides behind an i while the (bigger) mapbox
> logo in the left corner will stay there at any screen width.
>
> WRT an OpenStreetMap provided textmark/icon: this was proposed by mapbox
> years ago and at the time rejected.
>
> Cheers Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-12-29 Thread Nuno Caldeira

true, but was mentioned here on March 2019

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-March/082147.html

On 29/12/2019 03:43, Kathleen Lu wrote:
Nuno I searched your attachment for the word "Snap" and it is nowhere 
to be found.


On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 10:55 AM Nuno Caldeira 
mailto:nunocapelocalde...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


Hi Mateusz,


They don't. Here's all my email exchange with them from October
2018, yes _*2018*_. it's more than enough with evidence and time
to be fixed.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/110XubCe0kd2HNtbqXS7U_vr44xyieaSt/view?usp=sharing


On 24/12/2019 07:08, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:

Have they responded with anything
(except automatic reply) ?

Is there an assigned issue id?


23 Dec 2019, 21:32 by nunocapelocalde...@gmail.com
:

I sent this situation to Mapbox 10 months ago.

On Mon, 23 Dec 2019, 17:00 joost schouppe,
mailto:joost.schou...@gmail.com>>
wrote:


As an xmas bonus, here's another Facebook company
(via Mapbox), Snapchat that is using OSM without
attribution requirements (funnily there's plenty of
space for a reasonable and visible calculated mapbox
logo and text). They probably don't know, nor that
they have been asked to comply over a year ago, nor
have agreed with the license in every aspect of it
when stated using OSM data, nor read Mapbox TOS, or
Mapbox been informed on these repeated offenders, nor
read the multiples reports in mailing lists, nor that
they had a employee that ran for OSMF board.

https://map.snapchat.com/

Let's continue to be hypocrites and pretend nothing
is going on for over a year with these two companies
that are corporate members of OSMF and should be the
first ones to give examples. Enough with excuses.


The Snapchat case is a pretty clear example of how not to
do things. If there's space for Mapbox, there's space for
OpenStreetMap. But I don't think Snapchat has anything to
do with Facebook.

Phil, I hope you contacted them directly and not through
Facebook.


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[OSM-talk-fr] hebdoOSM Nº 492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread theweekly . osm
Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 492 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/12676/

Bonne lecture !

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[Talk-pt] semanárioOSM Nº 492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread theweekly . osm
Bom dia,

O semanárioOSM Nº 492, o resumo de tudo o que acontece no mundo OpenStreetMap, 
está publicado *em português* : http://www.weeklyosm.eu/pb/archives/12676/

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[Talk-br] semanárioOSM Nº 492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread theweekly . osm
Bom dia,

O semanárioOSM Nº 492, o resumo de tudo o que acontece no mundo OpenStreetMap, 
está publicado *em português* : http://www.weeklyosm.eu/pb/archives/12676/

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[Talk-ca] hebdoOSM Nº 492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread theweekly . osm
Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 492 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/12676/

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[Talk-ht] hebdoOSM Nº 492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread theweekly . osm
Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 492 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/12676/

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[Talk-africa] hebdoOSM Nº 492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread theweekly . osm
Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 492 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/12676/

Bonne lecture !

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[Talk-cl] semanarioOSM Nº 492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread theweekly . osm
Hola, el semanario Nº 492, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/12676/

¡Disfruta!

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[OSM-co] semanarioOSM Nº 492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread theweekly . osm
Hola, el semanario Nº 492, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/12676/

¡Disfruta!

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[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 492,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

 http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12676/

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[Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 492,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

 http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12676/

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[talk-latam] semanarioOSM Nº 492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread theweekly . osm
Hola, el semanario Nº 492, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/12676/

¡Disfruta!

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[Talk-us] weeklyOSM #492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 492,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
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 http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12676/

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[OSM-talk-ie] weeklyOSM #492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 492,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

 http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12676/

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[talk-ph] weeklyOSM #492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 492,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

 http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12676/

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[Talk-cu] semanarioOSM Nº 492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread theweekly . osm
Hola, el semanario Nº 492, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/12676/

¡Disfruta!

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[Talk-bo] semanarioOSM Nº 492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread theweekly . osm
Hola, el semanario Nº 492, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/12676/

¡Disfruta!

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[Talk-africa] weeklyOSM #492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 492,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
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 http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12676/

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[Talk-in] weeklyOSM #492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 492,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

 http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12676/

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[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #492 2019-12-17-2019-12-23

2019-12-29 Thread weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 492,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

 http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12676/

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Re: [Talk-GB] New Entertainment venue - what tags?

2019-12-29 Thread Chris Fleming
On 29/12/19 at 10:40am, Tony OSM wrote:

  Hi

  In Chorley a new entertainment business has opened -
  https://www.escapeentertainmentvenue.co.uk/

  It's primary offering is TenPin bowling, Gator Adventure golf (a form
  of indoor golf) and a bar & restaurant.

  What is the best way to tag? One node or three nodes?

  The new building is multi-tenanted and includes M Food and a cinema
  (already tagged).

I would tend to map these all as individual nodes. An example is here:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/55.94187/-3.21604=N

Sometimes, it makes sense to tag the building with the main occupant
then add any cafe's or restaurants as nodes, in your case this would be
the bowling then add the others as nodes. I would also tend to do this
for a big store which may also have a cafe or restaurant.

Cheers
Chris
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Re: [Talk-GB] New Entertainment venue - what tags?

2019-12-29 Thread David Woolley

On 29/12/2019 10:40, Tony OSM wrote:

What is the best way to tag? One node or three nodes?


Three *areas*, plus the building outline.

Really it depends on how much detail you have about the internal layout. 
(If there are individual administrative offices, in a different part of 
the building, and you know where those are, multipolygons might even be 
appropriate.)


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Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates

2019-12-29 Thread Phil Wyatt
Hi David,

 

It may be for someone more skilled than me  however there are lots of 
combinations that need to be taken into account

 

Those with no area codes

Those with area codes in ()

Those with area codes but no international code

Those with international code but no + sign at the start

Spaces or dashes between numbers or no spaces

Grouping of numbers +61 x  

1300/1800 numbers that need to be tagged phone:AU

Those without enough numbers

Inconsistent area codes in some areas (NSW/VIC border areas)

 

…to mention just a few that I have found…

 

Cheers – Phil

 

From: David Wales  
Sent: Sunday, 29 December 2019 9:34 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates

 

I did a few.

Surely this would be a prime target for an automated edit?

Regards,
David Wales

On 29/12/19 2:22 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:




 

On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 12:36, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

feel free to join me if you want some mind numbing entertainment for an hour or 
two.

 

It is certainly that! :-)

 

WA and Tasmania already completed

 

As is Qld :-)

 

 Thanks

 

Graeme





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[Talk-GB] New Entertainment venue - what tags?

2019-12-29 Thread Tony OSM

Hi

In Chorley a new entertainment business has opened - 
https://www.escapeentertainmentvenue.co.uk/


It's primary offering is TenPin bowling, Gator Adventure golf (a form of 
indoor golf) and a bar & restaurant.


What is the best way to tag? One node or three nodes?

The new building is multi-tenanted and includes M Food and a cinema 
(already tagged).


Cheers and an Excellent New Year to all mappers.

TonyS999


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Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates

2019-12-29 Thread David Wales
I did a few.

Surely this would be a prime target for an automated edit?

Regards,
David Wales

On 29/12/19 2:22 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 12:36, Phil Wyatt  > wrote:
>
> feel free to join me if you want some mind numbing entertainment
> for an hour or two.
>
>
> It is certainly that! :-)
>  
>
> WA and Tasmania already completed
>
>
> As is Qld :-)
>
>  Thanks
>
> Graeme
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[OSM-talk-be] 500 defibrillators gemapillariseerd

2019-12-29 Thread Philippe Casteleyn
Volgens het ministerie zijn er in Vlaanderen nog 280 te gaan.  Ik schat het 
aantal eerder op 400.  We zijn alvast voorbij de helft.
OSM met Mapillary  kan dus het systeem worden om alle fouten eruit te halen.  
Geloof mij, dat is nodig, ook in OSM.

Ik heb al gevonden hoe ik in Overpass de wijzigingen in de laatste week kan 
zien.  Het wordt nog wat zoeken om de schrappingen in de laatste week te zien.  
Kan iemand mij helpen ?

We zijn echter maar met 2 mappers die de AEDs serieus nemen.  Er zijn zelfs 
mappers die om elitaire redenen geen foto willen nemen en liever mensen laten 
sterven.
Heeft het wel zin verder te doen met twee man ?

https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=65537=4

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[OSM-talk-fr] Carte de Vœu

2019-12-29 Thread Guillaume Rischard
https://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=17=47.026=1.877 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] SPAM, Re: Problème avec ID - besoin d'aide

2019-12-29 Thread Arnaud Champollion

Le 28/12/2019 à 17:08, Yves P. a écrit :

Ce n’est pas factorisable ☹️
A moins de mettre les mêmes horaires de début pour les vacances et 
hors vacances et de préciser en SH Mo-Fr « Ouverture en continue »


Il manque une virgule entre les 2 « blocs » et il n’y en a pas à la fin


J'ai momentanément supprimé les horaires "vacances" pour pouvoir 
terminer l'enregistrement des autres modifications.
Je n'arrive pas, pour le moment, à trouver comment faire : mettre les 
mêmes horaires de début pour les vacances et hors vacances et de 
préciser en SH Mo-Fr « Ouverture en continue »


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Re: [Talk-at] Userdaten Löschen

2019-12-29 Thread Johann Haag
Als Alternative bietet sich auch eine Übergabe des Accounts an einen anderen 
User an.
Gerne stelle ich mich hierzu zur Verfügung.
Einfach die Zugangsdaten an mich senden, ich kümmere mich um die Anonymisierung 
und gliedere die Edits dann in meine Sammlung ein 
https://openstreetmap.home.blog/2019/07/22/meine-mitwirkung-in-osm-im-ueberblick/
 

  bei möglichen künftigen Änderungen bei den OSM Lizenzbedingungen kümmere ich 
mich dann selbstverständlich um die dann notwendigen Freigaben.

Meine Mail Adresse: johannh...@hxg.at 
Lg Johann Haag

> Am 28.12.2019 um 23:19 schrieb scubbx :
> 
> Hallo!
> 
> Ich/Wir haben eine Unterstützungsanfrage von einem User erhalten, der
> nach DSGVO sein Konto und alle seine persönlichen Daten gelöscht haben
> möchte.
> 
> Da ich selber damit noch nichts zu tun hatte, frage ich mich, wie das
> OpenStreetMap handhabt. Weiß jemand mehr dazu, bzw wie man die Löschung
> seiner persönlichen Daten erreicht?
> (ich gehe davon aus, dass der User NICHT von seinen Edits spricht)
> 
> lg, Markus (ScubbX)
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[talk-au] Question re tagging unpaved vs paved roads

2019-12-29 Thread Bob Cameron

Hi

The tagging guidelines don't quite seem to over this. I'd like to do it 
correctly.


When a road is unpaved we use the surface=unpaved tag, the default (no 
tag) being paved.


When an unpaved road is (roadwork) paved, should the tag be deleted or 
changed to paved?


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Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-12-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


sent from a phone

> On 29. Dec 2019, at 07:18, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
> 
> I think what many people are suggesting is that the attribution cant be 
> behind an I icon or similar. I have noted that on wider screens the correct 
> attribution is shown but as screen size gets smaller it MAY disappear (to 
> behind the I Icon or similar) on SOME sites or SOME operating systems. I 
> think the size is 600 pixels or thereabouts. Is this the "issue" you really 
> want resolved? Very easy to test on any PC screen. If I rotate my mobile 
> device the full attribution is often there whilst behind some icon in 
> portrait mode.
> 
> This is all up to the developer of the site or app I would suggest, not 
> Mapbox or any other tile provider, who in general provide good documentation 
> spelling out when Open Street Map attribution is required.


actually this kind of attribution is provided by mapbox’s frameworks like 
mapbox-gl-js and if you (as a developer) do not implement your own attribution 
mechanism you will automatically get (comparatively small) OpenStreetMap 
attribution that hides behind an i while the (bigger) mapbox logo in the left 
corner will stay there at any screen width.

WRT an OpenStreetMap provided textmark/icon: this was proposed by mapbox years 
ago and at the time rejected.

Cheers Martin 


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